🐟 Fishtank Sam Hyde's Fishtank.live General - Jet Neptune's Little House of Horrors

[Not Xavier Ravenblood]

He's posted Instagram stories in a Publix (iirc) vest pushing carts while smoking. I bet he gets good money from gumroad.

I wonder if he just works a shitty, easy job for the health benefits and lives off his paypigs.

 

[neger psykolog]

He claims there is 190m+ in a spendthrift trust, which the trustee will only release to him upon satisfaction that he is independently financially stable. He thinks that if he has the 30-35k post-tax winnings from a reality internet show in his bank, the trustee will decide he is now safe to dump the money on.

He probably gets nominal disbursements for basic living costs, but at nearly 40 he has still failed to have any sort of respectable career that would satisfy the trustee to unload unimaginable wealth on a Kentucky hillbilly. He'll probably die never seeing it. Smartest decision his dad ever made.

What did Alex talk about with Sam before Binx turned up? Sam was grilling him about what money he actually had. Alex reiterated he really cared about the $50k because everything was expensive "even if you're rich" due to things like land tax, and he needed to work for a living. When Sam asked him about the Rolex he had, he "didn't know" what model of Rolex was because it was a gift from la creatura. He told Sam he wanted to go "behind the cameras" and have a proper conversation about "going into business". He also repeatedly showed off his wife's ring, bragging that it was "fully paid off" and "cost as much as a condo". Reading between the lines, I reckon the Bernards bought him a house and maybe give him a monthly stipend to cover some living expenses (but not land taxes), but also required him to actually work to keep receiving that stipend. Meanwhile he's living FAR beyond his means (monkeys are not cheap to keep, and neither are whales). If anything, he might have already been cut off because he seemed to mention that $50k "unlocking" millions (which might have been about investing it but I'm not so sure). It was repeatedly mentioned that he had "two reasons" for staying in the house.

This is really, really interesting context to everything and I wasn't aware of it up until now. Everytime I heard Alex go on about his financial stuff I figured he was totally delusional and lying and it has been hard to follow this part of things well and in a written down/permanent format.

This opens the door up to the non-zero possibility that Alex becomes one of the Wiggers, perhaps the same potential/blind optimism that I saw in him is something Sam Hyde and Jet/Ben have also seen which is why they're talking about the possibility of him buying the house. The Wigger environment takes on what seem like generally unstable people or those with a non-corporate background and gives them some form of structure and a purpose in life (making outlandish comedy/content) and would or could be a real net-positive for Alex to be honest.

It may be seen as a bit too manipulative right now if "production" sought to take advantage of Alex like that and they are in a position of power over him right now with the show going on which makes it extremely inappropriate, but its something they might do well to look at once Alex is off or the show finishes. In the grand scheme of things, them getting involved or even seeking to get involved with his personal life/finances would be really extremely inappropriate in many situations but if we look at what Alex is like left to his own devices we can see he has ended up with the ogre and is unable to find a sustainable career anywhere and has problems with addiction and other things.

Sam Hyde gave him some solid advice yesterday about his relationship with Ogre and seems to genuinely care for him, so him becoming a semi-wigger and Sam Hyde/the wiggers giving Alex the chance at stability in life and an actual day to day purpose (i.e. tardwrangling) may work out for everyone involved. Although much has been said about the wigger's capability to execute this show, they really have shown they are innovative and willing to take risks and can deliver on fishtank at scale (this season has particularly shown they can do this very well) - giving Alex stability and tardwrangling him and getting him on as an investor (that doesn't mean taking all his money) and maybe having another impartial trustee to look out for his best interests if there were a wigger+Alex financial relationship may work out really well. If they get him away from the Ogre and someone like Sam Hyde or whoever from the wiggers helps him with his finances and looks out for him it would really help someone like Alex who will otherwise have no future or hope at stability.

Alex has also claimed that he does want to be famous, so there is that to consider too.

 

[Teridax]

I was mistaken - she actually went live last night.

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In summary, the entire beef she had with Binx was scripted and for show. All the contestants fake everything to entertain the audience, and they're all coached off camera where we can't see. She holds no animosity towards Binx and you're dumb for thinking she does. AT THE SAME TIME they "played" her, "played" Alex, set him up to look like something was going on with Binx, wouldn't let her or Alex leave the house because production held onto her purse and his phone, tricked Alex into staying by lying they'd be back etc. etc.

In other words, although she has some level of cunning and street smarts, she's too thick to hold it together for 3 minutes to make a cohesive story. I guess her shitty manipulation tactics work on Alex, but it's all one big cope.

This feels like she might have realized she got caught in 4K assaulting her spouse and is doing damage control

 

[Swamp_Donkey]

This opens the door up to the non-zero possibility that Alex becomes one of the Wiggers, perhaps the same potential/blind optimism that I saw in him is something Sam Hyde and Jet/Ben have also seen which is why they're talking about the possibility of him buying the house. The Wigger environment takes on what seem like generally unstable people or those with a non-corporate background and gives them some form of structure and a purpose in life (making outlandish comedy/content) and would or could be a real net-positive for Alex to be honest.

There is zero chance. They were doing the buying the house bit as a joke. Jet just talked to Mizzy about how the ogre couldn't afford door dash. Last night Sam was asking Alex if he was having money problems because the ogre was complaining about a checked luggage fee. They absolutely do not believe he actually has any money under his control. They (especially Sam) probably do feel legitimately bad for his situation because it is an honest to God DV happening right in front of their eyes but Sam couldn't put up with Alex's blathering for 20 minutes when he was trying to give him advice

 

[Ravier Xavenblood]

He really does wrangle carts for a grocery store. He said he recently recorded something and it might drop soonish but who knows.

I don't think he really works at a grocery store. He got doxxed and he lives in a really nice apartment complex.

He probably works that grocery job just to give himself supplemental income and something else to do while the paypig money comes in. Not a bad deal honestly but I'm surprised he can even get a day job considering his... reputation.

 

[BullfrogBill]

I can't even comprehend how Binks or any of the wiggers can even look at Alex the same after literally stuffing his face in that fat monster's ass, smelling her farts, and bragging that he had a boner afterwards. There's no way I'd let him be one of the wiggers after that and if I was Binks there's no way I wouldn't outwardly see Alex as a disgusting freak. I wouldn't want to be in the same room let alone look at him.

 

[neger psykolog]

I wonder if he just works a shitty, easy job for the health benefits and lives off his paypigs.

It is possible that with the amount of money that fishtank raised in its investment round ($800k - given how this season turned out, I really, really wish that I had invested more) and also the scale of money that Sam Hyde has put into this show (they are using properties that cost $1m+) that key people like Frank are given a stipend. If they haven't reached that point already then they're probably approaching it depending on the financial outcome of this season.

Plus the wiggers also dabble in crypto and have some NFT projects that I have personally had an IRL friend mention (and they're totally oblivious to Sam Hyde/MDE/fishtank). For anyone not aware: crypto is at all an all time super high since the outcome of the election.

On the other hand, Frank may just keep a normie job to keep him occupied when he's not playing his character. I have heard some anecdotes from people about his relationship with the wiggers but I won't get into that - needless to say, many people seem to think that "Frank Hassle" is him putting on an "act" but from my reading of him, he really isn't acting and that is who he is (from what has been seen publicly, there was a rift between him and Jet Neptune during one of the seasons because he wasn't featured enough in the final edited episodes). Keep in mind he has a giant, offensive 9/11 tattoo on his back and chainsmokes heavily and if you look at stuff like that then it does give some indications about stuff.

I'm kind of curious as to how much he gets paid for being on fishtank if they haven't set him up with a long term financial interest at this point in time.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Jet telling Frank that Connor's time is up.

Project G.A.Y is a go.

 

[neger psykolog]

There is zero chance. They were doing the buying the house bit as a joke. Jet just talked to Mizzy about how the ogre couldn't afford door dash. Last night Sam was asking Alex if he was having money problems because the ogre was complaining about a checked luggage fee. They absolutely do not believe he actually has any money under his control. They (especially Sam) probably do feel legitimately bad for his situation because it is an honest to God DV happening right in front of their eyes but Sam couldn't put up with Alex's blathering for 20 minutes when he was trying to give him advice

Interesting. I guess just keep in mind if my theories and analysis seem totally off-base that it is really hard to tell what is acting and what isn't and is the show very often. When people write out what has been happening it makes it a lot easier to try and theorize stuff but much like anyone's speculation I could obviously be totally wrong.

Am a lawyer, you are correct. "Pressing charges" is something gravely misunderstood by the public. First the police make an incident report (either by being called out, or on their own investigation). They can recommend charges, but even they don't get that decision. Their report is forwarded to a prosecutor, who determines whether or not to file charges. The reports are then redrafted to a "probable cause affidavit" that goes to a judge to decide whether, with the facts most in favor of the state, the affidavit meets the minimum for the charge alleged.

The idea of a random citizen being able to "press charges" is mostly just whether or not the prosecutor can count on them to cooperate as a trial witness. Nobody but the prosecutor representing the state has the ability to actually bring a charge against someone.

So if I understand you correctly, outside of the people directly involved in this (meaning the person who has actually been hit) a "concerned citizen" could (and I am not writing this to suggest that someone does it, I am just interested in learning about this considering you know your shit) approach the police and say "hey I saw someone hitting someone, here is some evidence, please look into it" and the onus is totally on the police at that point on whether to do anything further (and then if that even happens it is up tot he prosecuter etc)?

And in this context when I say "concerned citizen" it could mean either: someone from production, one of the contestants or a viewer. And in this situation there is actual recorded/archived video evidence of what has happened - but if that didn't exist and this was just a street fight, then someone (likely the reporting party) would have to act as a witness and make a statement and all that shit?

 

[BullfrogBill]

from what has been seen publicly, there was a rift between him and Jet Neptune during one of the seasons because he wasn't featured enough in the final edited episodes

The issue Frank had with Jet wasn't that he wasn't featured enough, it was that all the funny stuff that people like about Fishtank was cut out of the episode to make room for Jet's terribly unfunny "poop detective" bit that lasted for 20 minutes. Not to mention that Frank's editor (who's REALLY good and can make anything hilarious) was originally hired to edit the Frank episode but he was suddenly fired because Jet wanted the episode to be more about himself and his shitty bit. It wasn't just Frank that was upset about this, it was the entire Fishtank fanbase that was rightfully upset about it. Fatty's boot camp segment wasn't even included in the episode despite the set up in the garage being included in the episode.

Frank was rightfully upset that Jet was not only ignoring criticism but was mocking it and had grown an ego the size of the actual Neptune so he called him a faggot, again rightfully. Jet has seems to have grown a bit since then and has realized Frank was right.

 

[Sun of Sam]

So if I understand you correctly, outside of the people directly involved in this (meaning the person who has actually been hit) a "concerned citizen" could (and I am not writing this to suggest that someone does it, I am just interested in learning about this considering you know your shit) approach the police and say "hey I saw someone hitting someone, here is some evidence, please look into it" and the onus is totally on the police at that point on whether to do anything further (and then if that even happens it is up tot he prosecuter etc)?

Yes. Anybody can report anything and bring what they have to the cops. At the cop level they could either say "fuck it IDC" or they could do some investigating and forward their findings to the prosecutor, who would also have the chance to say "fuck it IDC" before they decide what charges would be relevant, and then weighing whether they should be filed.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Studying his prey:

 

[neger psykolog]

He probably works that grocery job just to give himself supplemental income and something else to do while the paypig money comes in. Not a bad deal honestly but I'm surprised he can even get a day job considering his... reputation.

If he does genuinely keep a very simple job like that then it very much throws out the argument that many lolcows have about being unable to get any form of employment due to their online history following them. Granted, Frank probably doesn't get "hassled" by his fanbase, but he does have what seems like a sizable number of people on plebbit and other sites who vehemently hate him and probably do try to harass him.

But compared to lolcows, Frank Hassle exudes confidence, is like 8 feet high and probably wouldn't give a shit if someone tried to hassle him at his job. He can easily put on the "act" required to get a basic job, that much can easily be seen by how masterful he is at adapting to the various situations that he gets into. It really doesn't require that much to show you are competent enough and willing to turn up on time and do what it is required for many basic jobs.

No one who is applying for a job pushing carts or for many low level jobs is going to get their name googled lol and if their name is common enough it doesn't even matter in the first place. But I do think there are cases with people like Wings of Redemption where I believe he tried to do doordash or some shit and got harassed out of it (I can't remember the exact details though)

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Amazing how fast Mizzy joins in on the bandwagon against her white knight from last night. Truly a snake.

 

[Foster]

Everyone is trying to either help or get access to connor's gay porn satchel

 

[Not Xavier Ravenblood]

Yes. Anybody can report anything and bring what they have to the cops. At the cop level they could either say "fuck it IDC" or they could do some investigating and forward their findings to the prosecutor, who would also have the chance to say "fuck it IDC" before they decide what charges would be relevant, and then weighing whether they should be filed.

In some states any mention of domestic violence has requirements for charges to be brought and an arrest to be made. Wisconsin is one of them IIRC. The DA can't even drop it iirc. (I'm not a lawyer)

 

[neger psykolog]

The issue Frank had with Jet wasn't that he wasn't featured enough, it was that all the funny stuff that people like about Fishtank was cut out of the episode to make room for Jet's terribly unfunny "poop detective" bit that lasted for 20 minutes. Not to mention that Frank's editor (who's REALLY good and can make anything hilarious) was originally hired to edit the Frank episode but he was suddenly fired because Jet wanted the episode to be more about himself and his shitty bit. It wasn't just Frank that was upset about this, it was the entire Fishtank fanbase that was rightfully upset about it. Fatty's boot camp segment wasn't even included in the episode despite the set up in the garage being included in the episode.

Frank was rightfully upset that Jet was not only ignoring criticism but was mocking it and had grown an ego the size of the actual Neptune so he called him a faggot, again rightfully. Jet has seems to have grown a bit since then and has realized Frank was right.

Yeah I only mentioned that conflict very casually and didn't know about the editor being fired and the more specific stuff, so it is interesting to learn all of that. My own reading of it was that Frank was being extremely genuine, upfront and direct with Jet and Jet's ego from e-fame had distorted or negatively influenced his decision making ability.

I do agree with you that it seems very much like Jet has settled down a lot and matured since then... although whenever he makes tweets saying people are copying the idea of fishtank or that he is the true OG originator of the concept it leaves a poor taste in my mouth. He needs to stop doing shit like that and just focus on his own shit because "100 faggot normie livestreamers on an elimination show" is totally removed from what fishtank is as a concept and what Jet/Hyde do with fishtank has a lot of originality and is really well done. Either way - I don't really mind that Jet is a bit defensive about things, it shows that he really cares about the fishtank concept beyond the financial shit which is cool, but I do in the fullness of time that he learns to just do stuff like say "hey that's a cool idea, hope it goes well, we do something similar with fishtank, you should check it out if you haven't already".

I don't really think there is anyone else out there that can deliver anything like fishtank at this point in time so I don't know what he has to be worried about.

Yes. Anybody can report anything and bring what they have to the cops. At the cop level they could either say "fuck it IDC" or they could do some investigating and forward their findings to the prosecutor, who would also have the chance to say "fuck it IDC" before they decide what charges would be relevant, and then weighing whether they should be filed.

Ok, another question. In the context of domestic violence specifically, is it correct that some states have special ways of reporting DV and special protections just for that (outside of any actual charges that may be borne of that)?
I think I've seen that play out in a few "bad home" situations (maybe it was on the cops show on TV) and then the police come and ask questions and try to separate the partners, but at that point it is totally up to the person being abused to be honest and say "I am in a bad situation/getting beaten" and then the cops can enact some special forms of protection for the person who is being abused so that they get separated from the abuser?

(and again not asking this stuff to suggest anyone gets involved, just curious and want to learn more)

 

[AssignedEva]

This opens the door up to the non-zero possibility that Alex becomes one of the Wiggers, perhaps the same potential/blind optimism that I saw in him is something Sam Hyde and Jet/Ben have also seen which is why they're talking about the possibility of him buying the house. The Wigger environment takes on what seem like generally unstable people or those with a non-corporate background and gives them some form of structure and a purpose in life (making outlandish comedy/content) and would or could be a real net-positive for Alex to be honest.

There is zero chance of him joining the team. Can you imagine being trapped in a basement with Alex yapping away for an entire Fishtank season?
Best case scenario he starts taking some of Burt's "supplements" and gets brought on for a challenge (but could you trust him to keep his mouth shut about the show?) or possibly as an NPC in another All Stars season, but even then they'd have to contend with his wife circling, since she clearly doesn't like letting him out of her sight.
I also suspect that if he has to prove himself as independently financially stable to the trustee, a one-off lump sum from Fishtank isn't going to cut it. If his wife can't afford doordash, then Alex's appearance fee + fishbucks + alleged extra $40k + potential $50k prize will look like just that - a one off windfall; a big one, but probably equivalent to two years average salary - and I doubt Alex could hold down a full time job. They'll probably spend through it all in a matter of months, which is what the trustee will be looking for. It's not like he's going to be able to convert his Fishtank "fame" into an actual income source.

 

[Ravier Xavenblood]

No one who is applying for a job pushing carts or for many low level jobs is going to get their name googled lol and if their name is common enough it doesn't even matter in the first place. But I do think there are cases with people like Wings of Redemption where I believe he tried to do doordash or some shit and got harassed out of it (I can't remember the exact details though)

They did get him banned from doing doordash with their gayops discords. Wings has a lot more psycho A-logs that want to ruin his life for fun, unlike Frank.

 

[filthypenguin]

Amazing how fast Mizzy joins in on the bandwagon against her white knight from last night. Truly a snake.

She didn't like him last night either. She was annoyed at his white knighting and was trying to get him out of the room.