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This, I've heard women describe themselves as 'single for years' because they apparently don't count getting a one night stand from Tinder whenever they feel insecure.
This is where you have to get specific with girls. The right question to ask is when was the last time a man inserted his penis into your vagina. Because in my experience girls only “count” long-term relationships and not the dozens into hundreds of hookups, short-term relationships, situationships, FWBs, etc. they’ve had over time. “I’ve been single for years” is an intentionally deceptive answer. Most girls are fucking somebody, yep, even the fatty with no tits, a whisper of a mustache, and a square ass.
Thanks for all the replies, fellas. Yeah, on a second thought I think I rushed to conclusions there and will listen to my father's advice for now. I was probably just being awkward again, overthinking shit and making too big of a deal out of nothing. Fukken cringe.
Giving advice is tough when we know little about you. I had to throw myself out there a lot to turn things around but admittedly this was in the 2000s before girls became scared of their own shadows.
 
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This is not the experience of about 95% of men. You must smell like you have a lot of money, I don't know.
It's not that uncommon in my experience if you add the caveat that the kinds of women who you aren't attracted to at all or are actively disgusted by for one reason or another are far more likely to do it in an annoying attention-seeking gesture than ones you care about in any way.

It's just cheap whores being cheap whores because they know it's an easy way to get a reaction out of a man who's trying to ignore them. Nothing special about that.
 
I can report that I didn't fold, mainly because I know I'd still be vulnerable to her... charms (much as I'd still like to fuck her again). One good blowjob and it'd be back on the plantation...
I know those feels, that's how it is with one of my emotionally unstable redheads. God's honest truth though, I can never quite decide if she's a narcissist, an autist, some mix of both, or if narcissists and autists share a lot of similar behaviors, just with different reasonings behind them. Or just a younger Millennial, I had to explain the concept of using persuasion to win me over to her once, which she failed at. Years of relying on her tits alone, I suppose.

I do get that sense of relief though, like a weight lifting. My cat passing hit me harder than her flouncing off, to be honest, but the old man was always happy to see me.
 
I'm a bit of a covert narcissist myself, I suspect
That you reflect on it unprompted casts doubt on that. The primary reason self-diagnosis is discouraged is because personality disorders are exaggerated, dysfunctional versions of normal behaviors; describe BPD to someone with any degree of self-reflection and you'll have them wondering if their regular relationship worries are a borderline monster ready to strike.
 
Really, I think the problem is most of the boys and men in the past 30+ odd years have been subconsciously conditioned to put bitches on a pedestal in subtle ways they don't even recognize, ignoring the more obvious ones. Like even a lot of you here think it's some momentous occasion when a random slut grabs up on a guy she doesn't know. It's not. The types who go in for that sort of thing know that's all they'll ever be worth; just a quick indifferent anonymous fuck at some party or bar somewhere, maybe a baby daddy or three and some fatherless bastard hellspawn who'll resent them by the time they turn 12.

Forget all the studies, the statistics, the psychology, all that other faggot bullshit. On a baseline level, the average woman is hundreds of thousands of times more neurotic than even your stereotypical "kissless handheldless virgin" or whatever retard garbage they call themselves now. All you have to do is laugh at them, right to their faces in the middle of an in-person conversation and it short-circuits their brain. Don't be fooled by all the keyboard warrior peacocking you see online, they're not the hyper-confident self-assured grrrrrl-bosses they want to LARP as, absolutely none of them are no matter how much money they make or how many worthless degrees they have.

You need to collectively practice taking women far less seriously in tangible ways every day to undo the damage ambient exposure to feminist pop culture, media, HR departments, public schooling, and universities has done to your brains.
 
No, it's not just because of pussy, I really wanna improve myself and gain better self-esteem but I don't know how.
You will always feel like this. The world's a stage and your life involves more acting than you have been let on to. It is not a case of making yourself blind to the anxiety and doubts you have- having them shows you have far more self awareness than the average person- it is about feeling them, accepting them as an aspect of yourself, and dealing with it when the time comes. You do not deserve to live as a worm, nobody does, but you must find the willpower to prevent yourself from living in apathy.

It took me years to stop caring too much for what I was thinking. I became more honest because I stopped allowing the world around me and the feelings inside me dictate my wants. I began enjoying the holes between my certainties and the mysteries of the present, of the wonders of not knowing, of not assuming too much. I admitted to myself that I was often wrong when overthinking. I learned that not every man was out to hate me, not every women out to love me, but some were and I had to find out who. My gut was reliable, but my mind was temperamental. It loved to wander and the people I knew had a grotesque second life within it.

I also thought about joining the army, thinking it would fix my problems. There was a superficial appeal because it felt like an escape from my own thoughts. Rather than having to deal with situations on my own, I could be ordered about and be forced into a routine. There is, admittedly, some charm to that still.

Eventually. I realised that it was an immature desire. I would hate the army. I would still be myself, except I would wake up earlier. But I would still be me. There was no escaping my thoughts, just supressing it for a few years.

It was my negative perception, I realised, that was driving me to escape myself. I refused to grow from my cynicism, which made me right half of the time without needing to dwell too hard on the finer details.

The world to me, at the time, seemed cruel, harsh, brutal, but what was the world without me to say it was cruel, harsh, and brutal? We decide our perception of the world. It is not just the case of lifting weights or finding hobbies- both excellent ideas- but making that first step of saying of "Yes. I exist. The world is a mess, has been hard to me, but occasionally I have had pleasures. I have faults, could do better, but whatever, I am alive and some time will be dead. If not me then who else?"

Our emotions are fickle. Many of them are not our own and have more to do with our external circumstances and upbringings. To think in words is to be member of a way of thinking, not to know thyself completely. Words are how we attempt to explain our feelings and drives but our definitions and understandings are often skewered and faulty. Technical phrasing is abused and used to explain the lightest change in our dispositions. Scenes and lines from films and television become reference points for understanding real situations. The lowest forms of art often play the biggest roles in deciding how we understand ourselves. If we all grew up without pop songs, some of us would never think about love. The mind is dressed in a garb of superficiality and wild, if not also beautiful, imaginings.

Anxiety is similar. Kafka, the greatest exponent of anxiety, has his characters seem as though they were predetermined to have the situations they end up in just because it is how they felt it would turn out as (I think this is the message of 'Before The Law' parable in The Trial). It is as though Josef K. willed his situation into being. The world became a nightmare because K. thought the world was a nightmare to begin with. It is the ego torturing itself.

We should overcome these feelings of fated despair, to be optimistic and realistic. Superstitious thinking thrives when traditional religions die. That is because people need answers to issues beyond them and they often rely on the superficial and easy to grasp, rather than say a complex theology that takes years to understand. There is a huge difference between common sense and the easy answers.

In dating you will receive more no's than yeses. So it is. But that is fine. At one point you may even learn to love bluntly asking women out. Some women love it if you do. Some women beg you to ask them, they're pining that you ask them out straight out. You may not even realise what woman does want you to so why not shoot your shot? 'Nothing ventured, nothing gained', 'seize the day', and shy bairns get nowt, are all three sayings I grew up with. They exist and have become cliché because they are sound advice.

People long to be someone else, the Superman or the ideal comrade. It is like desiring to live as a statue, rigid, perfectly still. Statues, after all, never sweat. They never doubt, they never fear. But, so too, they never laugh, nor do they love. We are men, fleshy as we are flimsy. We must dance with all our emotions, good and bad. Even a negative feeling can bring out some good. Our mistakes shape and build our character. The shame you might feel at failing at seizing the moment one day may drive you to capture another the next. Your future is not fixed. It could be taken from you tomorrow. Better to live with that fear as to appreciate the life we have been given. Better to live than not at all.

It is about respecting yourself, no matter where you are, taking care of your own needs, building on yourself. Forget us, forget this thread, forget this site, forget every dipshit you have ever met. You are the only person that matters. You are the only person that cares about if you fall. I have faith in you and I assume a few here do as well. If you ever face rejection, ever face a failure, laugh at its stupid fucking face. Laughter is the most human thing we can do.

And also @Bungdit Din: that you can think you are somehow a covert narcissist, shows you have already overcome it. It is beneath you. You are already growing away from it. The real narcissist would not be so open, so comfortably self-aware. He would be trapped.
 
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No you don't. You can only pick what's available to you. Men with qualities are not available to you and you cannot choose them. You are invisible to them even if you throw yourself at their feet.
I agree with a good deal of what you said to an extent. However, the crux of what I am trying to say is women don't experience the same loneliness men do. In fact, the two aren't even comparable. A lonely man has nobody. A lonely woman still has an inbox full of men groveling at her feet like dogs. Regardless of whether or not they're worth anything to her, she still has men giving her attention and validation should she choose to receive it.

In fact, we have a somewhat decent example of how different the sexes experience loneliness in pooners. We have several articles of pooners lamenting the loneliness they experience as men as something they never experienced before in their lives. They can't handle it and it's enough to make them want to neck. Sure, it could just be pooners being gross but some specifically cite the difference they experience.

Have you even talked to a man ? I said no when women begged me to fuck them. We definitely get to chose. I rejected plenty of women I found unappetizing or they lacked qualities that would even make them date-able.
You're cherry picking. Men don't choose who gives them access to their vaginas. There, is that better wording for you?

If that were true, than incels don't exist either, because there is always a fat uggo out there.
In the past, that used to be the case. In the past 5-8 years, no this is no longer the case. The fat uggos still demand 6-6-6 Devil Chad and think they deserve him because they banged some hot dude who was drunk and having a slow night at the club once. So now, even the whales are unspearable. RIP Whale Hunting Bros. *sigh*

I don't count one night stands as not being single. It's just a one night stand.
I still count it as being with someone, so I have to disagree
I count one night stands if you're going to be fag about it and later complain that "nobody loves/wants me".

You have a lovely and truly stable grasp on reality.
Okay nigga, tell that to the women who agree with me lol. Shitstains and pajeets flood their inbox all the time asking to marry them. Many women don't even bother reading their DMs anymore on social media.

The one commonality with the various -cels is that most of the reason they can't get what they want is that they're shit people who believe that everyone else is to blame. None of them are willing to put in any work on themselves to actually get what they want. They want the 10/10 or Chad Thundercock treatment without earning it or deserving it.
I understand this was the common narrative for the past 15 years of the internet. However, this is no longer the norm in the modern day and hasn't been for quite some time. The number of "incels" grew and the amount of normal, unremarkable average men who just can't get laid now largely outnumbers the Chris Chan's. You can't say social media rose the standards for women and still maintain this "incels are just shitty people" narrative. The two narratives lead to completely opposite conclusions.

Really, I think the problem is most of the boys and men in the past 30+ odd years have been subconsciously conditioned to put bitches on a pedestal in subtle ways they don't even recognize, ignoring the more obvious ones
We've had years and years of "Happy wife, happy life" and "she's the boss" being the narrative and it's done irreparable damage. It doesn't really do damage to grown men per se, but it fucks up young teenage boys quite a bit. Between that and media, teen boys get a very terribly misleading picture of what women are after and want. "Just be yourself" might be great advice for your 20s and 30s, but it's piss poor advice for a teenage boy who has no idea who himself even is. Teenagers are the ones who get the shaft of this garbage and Dad's of the past few years are out of touch and have no idea how teenage and young adult women function. Good luck figuring it out on your own too, telling a teenager that the "more interested you seem, the more likely you'll get rejected" is a terribly counterintuitive concept to grasp.
 
We've had years and years of "Happy wife, happy life" and "she's the boss" being the narrative and it's done irreparable damage. It doesn't really do damage to grown men per se, but it fucks up young teenage boys quite a bit. Between that and media, teen boys get a very terribly misleading picture of what women are after and want. "Just be yourself" might be great advice for your 20s and 30s, but it's piss poor advice for a teenage boy who has no idea who himself even is. Teenagers are the ones who get the shaft of this garbage and Dad's of the past few years are out of touch and have no idea how teenage and young adult women function. Good luck figuring it out on your own too, telling a teenager that the "more interested you seem, the more likely you'll get rejected" is a terribly counterintuitive concept to grasp.
It's definitely not something that simple aphorisms or tidbits of advice can cure, I agree, but some type of formula to lean on in unlearning the retardation is better than nothing.
 
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I agree with a good deal of what you said to an extent. However, the crux of what I am trying to say is women don't experience the same loneliness men do. In fact, the two aren't even comparable. A lonely man has nobody. A lonely woman still has an inbox full of men groveling at her feet like dogs. Regardless of whether or not they're worth anything to her, she still has men giving her attention and validation should she choose to receive it.
True in a way. But women look at a full inbox like men look at full trashbin, attention from men that were basically rejected is kinda worthless and just makes her vomit to even think about it.
Lonely man has friends, games and hobbies. Lonely women has .. noone really. Her friends are wed/taken and ignore her same way she ignores others.
Her male friends only want to fuck her so basically she has nobody to trust/unload emotions to and no safety net. Once woman is out of the game, she is borderline suicidal. Her parents don't like her because she only brings trash men to home and doesn't want to get married so they want her out.

You're cherry picking. Men don't choose who gives them access to their vaginas. There, is that better wording for you?
Well they can choose many and some will open their legs ? Women in a way do choose to be receptive or not, but if it's not her it's someone else. That until they are drunk and they get horny.
 
Foids break their worldview for Chad.
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Incels can fuck prostitutes, but they don't want prostitutes. They want a woman who likes them.
If the times have proven anything, women don't actually like men at all unless they're attractive or rich
and, needless to say, it's the saddest thing for anyone who honestly believes in love
Foids break their worldview for Chad.
Many such cases.
 
wonder if the majority of men in this thread "hate women.
I don't "hate women" the way some incels do, but I would definitely say I have become disenchanted with them. I used to quite naively believe that they weren't truly any different from men in ways that mattered, that they deserved all the same responsibilities and rights, that being sexist was wrong, etc;

Over the years, having been in a couple relationships and currently in one long-term with a baby on the way, I very swiftly realized that many of my preconceptions about foids were wrong.

They're a very flawed, almost infantile mirror of men. I don't know if that's just the modern woman or if they were always retarded, but I try to tell myself that they aren't worth getting mad at the same way I would a man because they're not playing with a full deck at even the best of times. They're total and complete slaves to their biological impulses and desires. Once you realize this, they become much easier to deal with.

Not to say I don't still make mistakes. I do. I tell at my wife all the time for getting on my nerves, but that's my fault for expecting more out of her than her brain allows.

Like recently, I have always had problems where she seems to get pissed off at me when I'm at home on my days off. If I'm not running chores all day or out of the house at work, the attitude pitches downward into bitchiness. I asked her why she is always such a dickhead when I'm at home trying to recover from the work week and she can't give me a straight answer.

Then I go online and saw that Reddit post about the rich dude who retired early while paying for everything and still making passive income, but because he is home every day he is a fucking loser in her eyes.

The answers he received was to just be out of the house when she gets home, tried it, lo and behold no fights the past three times I've tried it.
think the problem is most of the boys and men in the past 30+ odd years have been subconsciously conditioned to put bitches on a pedestal in subtle ways they don't even recognize
This is definitely true. The only reason I think I've had any success with women is because my dad was a straight up misogynist who pumped and dumped probably a hundred different women over the years. Whenever I had girl problems he'd tell it to me straight and, fucked as it was to basically treat women the exact opposite way I was told over and over by my mom and sisters, it worked every time.

Men need to get a handle on our bitches, basically. Unfortunately I think we have already opened Pandora's Box with shit like Tinder and Simps, it will take a massive societal collapse or demographic shift before we sort of right the wrong of the female persuasion.
 
I don't "hate women" the way some incels do, but I would definitely say I have become disenchanted with them.
You have just grown older and a tad wiser. I, too, in my teenage years reeeed at rejections of women. What I have learned is if she isn't interested in you, don't bother with any song and dance. No matter how much you try, it won't work.
 
My men, I would rather stay single than be with a women who is naturally inclined to react like that to my presence. What drove you to put a kid in her?
Don't let my posts fool you, my girlfriend (probably wife in another year or so) is one of the good ones MOST of the time. She's smart, she wants to be a mom, she's white, she was a virgin when we met, she and I like almost all the same stuff, she says nigger, etc;

I'm much happier with her than without her, and the simple fact of life is that if you want to be with a woman at all you're going to have to deal with retarded shit like this. They are always going be mad for no reason, or a retarded reason, or say some stupid shit, or piss you off just for the sake of it.

There's a point where it is just a woman thing and another where it becomes toxic and unhealthy, lucky for me we are at woman thing for the most part.

All I had to do was go for a walk or be running chores by the time she makes it back, or if our days off overlap, I head out for half an hour and bring back a coffee. It's like a cheat code or some shit.
 
I understand this was the common narrative for the past 15 years of the internet. However, this is no longer the norm in the modern day and hasn't been for quite some time. The number of "incels" grew and the amount of normal, unremarkable average men who just can't get laid now largely outnumbers the Chris Chan's. You can't say social media rose the standards for women and still maintain this "incels are just shitty people" narrative. The two narratives lead to completely opposite conclusions.
Fair point, I'd never use incel as a term for an average guy, so I suppose I am using it in the "traditional" way. There is a division between the guys who ten-fifteen years ago would have been fine and the guys that couldn't get laid in a whorehouse wearing a suit made of hundred dollar bills. I guess I just don't think of the former as incels, probably as a reaction to people being overly broad with the term. Being precise with language is one of my vices, some autist made a debate thread for me because of it.
 
Every time I lose track of the memory that women lust after murderers and serial killers, the bizarre performative public schlicking over someone like Luigi Mangione snaps it right back. Yeah sure you've never met this guy and know next to nothing about his personality or if he's a weird autist, but he's not a fatty and he committed a crime our political tribe approves of? Stop, our pussies can only get so wet.

Never overthink female attraction, straight guys.
 
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