Mega Rad Gun Thread

Samhain said:
B&T has made their first AR-15, partnered with Geissele. It's $3200.


I don't have any strong opinions about B&T, but this really just seems like a Geissele Super Duty, only $1000 more expensive. That's KAC money.
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It's also light/made with some titanium parts, that's lots of $$$ and B&T doesn't do enough scale to drive the price down. Still too rich for my tastes, but I don't think it's outrageous.
 
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Glock 19 Gen 5 said:
It's also light/made with some titanium parts, that's lots of $$$ and B&T doesn't do enough scale to drive the price down. Still too rich for my tastes, but I don't think it's outrageous.
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I'm sure there are people out there who will find the titanium handguard appealing (V Seven stays in business), but it sounds like it's not much lighter than a Geissele MK16 handguard. That said, it seems like it won't be much more expensive than a MK16's retail price.
 
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I do kind of like the bizon design, but not that much lol. I wish more of these companies that basically release these limited run sort of guns would focus on making a somewhat larger quantity of them. Like I know releasing a modern Bizon wouldn't sell like hotcakes, but I feel like you could sell way more of them if you knocked some dollars off because you're selling them at a higher quantity. Most people just aren't willing to fuck around and drop $3,500 on a firearm that was never very widespread in the first place.
 
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Samhain said:
I'm sure there are people out there who will find the titanium handguard appealing (V Seven stays in business), but it sounds like it's not much lighter than a Geissele MK16 handguard. That said, it seems like it won't be much more expensive than a MK16's retail price.
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For B&T they already charge a large premium for their rifles anywhere from 1.8k - 2.8k for a lot of their skus across their flagships. I can't really argue the raw value proposition being there, because it's not. There's a ton of competition in the market even at the higher end, but for B&T nerds, they won't sneeze at 3.2k msrp. As you said though, KAC is in line with that $, HK is inline with that $ and there's seemingly as good offerings cheaper for B&T's ar15. If their bolt is just a G$ REBCG and not some new secret swiss sauce, then ya just buy their $400 handguard to slap on a superduty and call it a B&T. B&T fans will still pay the markup, however.
 
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Glock 19 Gen 5 said:
If their bolt is just a G$ REBCG and not some new secret swiss sauce
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If I had to guess, the BCG (or at least the bolt) is from Geissele. Their bolts really are very tough. I have 2 of them. I chatted with a guy who has over 60k rounds on one and he says it's still going strong, so maybe the B&T guy's claim of 140k rounds isn't too much of an exaggeration. I wonder if there's any public info on Geissele stress testing their bolts?
 
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Titanium weighs more than aluminum and I've never heard anyone complain about aluminum handguards in a way that stronger titanium would fix, who would buy this?
 
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S.C.U.D. said:
Titanium weighs more than aluminum and I've never heard anyone complain about aluminum handguards in a way that stronger titanium would fix, who would buy this?
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yeah i don't get it. I can see a use for titanium barrels, which are already starting to appear on high end hunting shotguns or in use for small parts that need durability but a handguard? its a meme.
 
S.C.U.D. said:
Titanium weighs more than aluminum and I've never heard anyone complain about aluminum handguards in a way that stronger titanium would fix, who would buy this?
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Titanium is fancy and can be sold at a higher markup obviously.

But on a serious note, titanium is:
- stronger/denser
- can be 3D printed for certain complex designs
- lower thermaly conductive which means leas heat from the barrel into the hand, less issues in cold weather etc
- more corrosion resistant in salt water etc.

Nothing that really matters for us civilians
 
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123123ofno said:
Titanium is fancy and can be sold at a higher markup obviously.

But on a serious note, titanium is:
- stronger/denser
- can be 3D printed for certain complex designs
- lower thermaly conductive which means leas heat from the barrel into the hand, less issues in cold weather etc
- more corrosion resistant in salt water etc.

Nothing that really matters for us civilians
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Fuck you I want one because Titanium.

Maybe B&T will just come off the uppers for like $2500 or something, so you don't have to buy the whole rifle to get the anti-walk version of the rail. Who cares about the lower, there's nothing special in there that LaRue doesn't do better for less (suck it Bill, lul).
 
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B&T are apparently coming out with an updated "Pro" model of the TP9/MP9. I'm a big fan of the TP9 and I've always thought it was one of the best 9mm PDW style weapons out there, so I'm glad that B&T are continuing to improve and iterate on it.
 
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So what's a good mid to higher tier 3x magnifier? I have a older PA 3x, which is decent for its price point but I'm looking for something with better glass and eye box. I do like the Idea of the PA Pegasus magnifier with the BDC etchings instead of having a more busy recicle like the acss one I have for my Holosun 503c. Especially since the only time you really need BDC/holdovers is when using magnification anyways
 
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Where is the H&R Colt LMG?
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Also, has anyone seen that company last year apparently planned on bringing reproduction FNC's to the US this year at shot?
 
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