Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Cushing wanted to be Obi-Wan but conflicts he had when Episode IV was scheduled to be filmed made that impossible. Lucas has said he wanted Cushing to play Tarkin from the start and offered him the role when they met in-person for the first time during the casting of the movie. But Cushing said Lucas originally offered him Obi-Wan. It's Cushing's word vs. Lucas' on that one
Probably true but what I said is also true... well allegedly, it was said by Cushing himself that Lucas apparently originally wanted him to reprise his role as Tarkin in the Empire Strikes Back but also due to scheduling issues he was not able to do this. He then claims he later came to regret that decision when he saw how Star Wars took off.
I think he was already doing another movie at the time because like the others he didn't think Star Wars would take off like it did.

I know everyone says Stormtroopers can't hit anything, but they did a pretty good job at killing anyone who isn't The Heroes.
This is actually one thing that annoys the fuck out of me about the new Disney canon. The Stormtroopers are a fucking joke now. In the old EU they were actually very deadly. In fact they're SUPPOSED to be the elite forces of the Empire but everyone just kind of forgot about that and they turned into the main force of the Empire.

Remember that line Luke says about how he can't see anything in the helmet? And how it apparently wasn't even scripted and they left it in? In the new Disney canon it's more or less just a throwaway joke explaining why the stormtroopers never hit anyone important because their helmets are shit or something stupid like that. In the original EU though they turned it into this entire thing. Apparently the Stormtrooper helmets were so advanced they basically had built in targeting systems and shit and apparently the reason why Luke could barely see when putting on the helmet was because it had some kind of security check in place to not activate those systems when a non-imperial personnel put it on. Don't ask me how it worked because I don't remember but I thought that lore tidbit was interesting.

Though I admit the old EU wasn't consistent with Stormtroopers either and it was a 50/50 whether they'd be treated like a joke or actually feared. Sadly I think a lot of it came down to people somehow not realizing or just flat out forgetting that as you said, the only reason they escaped situations like The Death Star was because they were allowed to because it was part of the plan.
 
Man, rewatching A New Hope, I’m still amazed about Han’s decision to come back and helped Luke destroy the Death Star. It’s such a pivotal moment for the Complete Saga because he showed he grew to care about Luke and Leia and realize that he had finally found his people. It also helped Luke grew into the hero of his journey and helped him progress.

I also believe that Han’s intervention was pivotal for Vader to realize after the destruction of the Death Star. that Luke was his son. Remember, he was under the impression that he killed Padme and their child.

That’s just my opinion, but man I just love that little detail.
 
I don't even know what people think the problem with the midichlorians are anyway
A lot of people misunderstood the scene and believed that "Anakin is powerful in the force because he has a lot of midichlorians" instead of what the scene actually says which is "Anakin has a lot of midichlorians because he is powerful in the force".
 
My retarded ST take is that while TLJ sucked ass, it left the door open to a far better movie than what we got in Episode 9. It could've been a prequel situation where you have two movies that are utter dogshit and one that's great and retroactively redeemed the previous two. They should've leaned into Kylo being thrust into a leadership position he doesn't have the experience or mental stability for and the consequences of that as Hux's petty rivalry with him evolves to the next level as he's now fighting to protect the integrity of the First Order from a leader who stops caring about military or political goals in favor of pursuing a spiritual victory and creating a new Sith Empire or something like that. Doing literally anything with the fact that Kylo managed to surpass Vader and as such was no longer just finishing what he started felt like such an obvious next step, but instead they opted to bring Sheev back to life for some god forsaken reason. You could keep the Rey is backed by all the Jedi thing (maybe even using it to explain why she's stupidly OP, that she's somehow a link between the Cosmic Force and the Living Force).


The issue they had is they would restrict themselves to the idea of a trilogy. They definitely should have thrown out Ep 9's release date been humble and realised they fucked up and gone on to plan a two film arc to continue and finish the story.

Shit like Sheev back is they brought JJ back, gave him no time and he just chucked Sheev into rough ideas of what Snoke was going to be and what the First Order was meant to be when they were never just meant to be the Empire has returned. Still limited to the original ideas of Kylo that had since been changed. I only saw the film once, but from watching it and the interviews with those that made it. The whole thing really was just cobbled out of the ideas for JJ's trilogy and going Fuck you to Round head.

While he's a hack, Colin Trevorrow's take on Ep 9 was on a far better path than what we got. As he looked at what was there and wasn't stuck with the baggage JJ had of his trilogy ideas being derailed into a pile of bantha poodo.



Honestly the worst part about the ST is that even though the movies are god awful, I actually like a lot of the characters on a conceptual level and I remember enjoying a good deal of the tie in fiction as a kid (the Poe comic was what actually got me into comic books when I was younger).

You mean the characters from JJ's parts. Holdo and Tico are fucking awful. With most of their parts rewritten and done in reshoots. One can only imagine how awful they were during principle photography.
 
Lord of the Rings and Dune.
So pretentious shit. Don't get me wrong, LoTR is great but most internet critics who like it are pretentious shitheels and Dune is only enjoyable if you are either pretending to like it for nerd cred or you're choosing the hundred or so pages you do like and then conveniently ignoring the other 5,000 pages of dross.
 
This is actually one thing that annoys the fuck out of me about the new Disney canon. The Stormtroopers are a fucking joke now. In the old EU they were actually very deadly. In fact they're SUPPOSED to be the elite forces of the Empire but everyone just kind of forgot about that and they turned into the main force of the Empire.

Remember that line Luke says about how he can't see anything in the helmet? And how it apparently wasn't even scripted and they left it in? In the new Disney canon it's more or less just a throwaway joke explaining why the stormtroopers never hit anyone important because their helmets are shit or something stupid like that. In the original EU though they turned it into this entire thing. Apparently the Stormtrooper helmets were so advanced they basically had built in targeting systems and shit and apparently the reason why Luke could barely see when putting on the helmet was because it had some kind of security check in place to not activate those systems when a non-imperial personnel put it on. Don't ask me how it worked because I don't remember but I thought that lore tidbit was interesting.

Though I admit the old EU wasn't consistent with Stormtroopers either and it was a 50/50 whether they'd be treated like a joke or actually feared. Sadly I think a lot of it came down to people somehow not realizing or just flat out forgetting that as you said, the only reason they escaped situations like The Death Star was because they were allowed to because it was part of the plan.
The SWEU's official line is that the Stormtroopers were elite soldiers and their quality remained strong during the height of the Empire; it's just in the later years did they decline in power. That, and the Stormtroopers' helmet and gear was actually quite valuable; in the RPG, it had good stats for defense, in the lore, it can allow a lucky Stormtrooper to survive getting shot, (hence why rebels double-tap in BF2 classic) and in the Force Unleashed II comic, one of Boba Fett's co-workers wanted to loot all the dead Stormtroopers that the Clone Starkiller left behind in the latter's rampage, because Imperial gear is very expensive and would net very high prices on the black market. The helmet alone has several visor modes, and if you notice in the OT films, the Stormtroopers' E-11 has explosive blaster bolts; a far cry from the laser bullets we see in Phantom Menace.

It's not Mando gear, but it's a good close second. Creamy Sheev's army was winning wars for a reason. And unlike the Disnified Stormtrooper corps where the Clone Army got a "DINDU NUFFIN" arc where they got booted from the corps, the SWEU Stormtrooper corps continued to have Fett clones in it as far as the Battle of Endor. The same clone unit that spearheaded the assault on Geonosis in Attack of the Clones assaulted Echo Base in The Empire Strikes Back. That's how long some of these Stormtrooper units have existed.
 
Disnified Stormtrooper corps where the Clone Army got a "DINDU NUFFIN" arc where they got booted from the corps, the SWEU Stormtrooper corps continued to have Fett clones in it as far as the Battle of Endor.
Pretty sure I already sperged about it here before so I won't do it again but I always thought the brain chip shit was retarded.
The Classic Battlefront 2 version will always be infinitely more interesting.

That being said, if I recall correctly, I assume this was probably contradicted by some other piece of EU material. The old EU unfortunately wasn't much better in terms of consistency but it somehow still had better more interesting plotlines. But in Classic BF2 it's stated that they stopped making Jango clones after the Kamino clone rebellion. However the 501st more or less remained "Pure" meaning that it was still mostly consisting of Jango clones. Which would make sense given in some EU material they implied Vader still had a fondness for the 501st and the Jango clones. So it would make sense he would keep his personal unit mostly of them.
Thanks to the accelerated aging however they were probably nearly geriatrics by the time the Battle of Endor took place. But if they were STILL fighting despite that then I think it just goes to show how powerful the 501st actually were.

And we know they tried to offset their age issue through the Darktrooper Phase 0 program but it didn't exactly pan out how they wanted it to unfortunately. Can I just talk about that for a minute? That shit was fucking dark. Guys killing themselves because they couldn't bear being more machine than man? You will never see anything that dark in Star Wars again.
 
The stormtrooper boogaloo started with the ewoks.

The original script version had wookies fighting a tiny imperial outpost for years, only winning with the clever tricks of the Jedi, because the Imperials were so overconfident they didn't bother turning on the shields on their tanks, which got a tank captured that sneaked back to their base with Jedi inside.

The EU had them semi competent after that. Not elite but not a joke character.

Disney went full in with them being totally useless. Whenever they are there, be it Filoni cartoon or Ubishit game, they are about as dangerous as Chris chan in cosplay.
 
If the Hutts were real IRL would they have a subforum or just a megathread here? Because they're all fucking fat, of course.
 
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If the Hutts were real IRL would they have a subforum or just a megathread here? Because they're all fucking fat, of course.
The only problem I see is that 95% of Hutts are fat BPD mukbangers with voracious appetites for drugs also + extreme sexual degenerates, so it would be hard for any particular Hutt to stand out from the crowd. Hutts are also hemaphroditic so they're all natural troons
 
So does that mean it's good?
Some aspects were solid, but they push degeneracy at every turn and the protagonist is a disgusting niglet mutt. One of the kids has lesbian parents and she also has a disability and is paralyzed unless her cybernetic enhancements are working and there's a whole retarded storyline about how people with disabilities may not be able to do everything able bodied people can but that's okay, which goes against everything Lucas did in his movies in terms of showcasing disabilities to the point that I think it was a deliberate attempt to give him the finger. Also I'm convinced the fat stupid elephant kid is supposed to represent white people and push the whites need to be kind and have empathy agenda (although he does get to be a badass in the finale). There's also an episode from the DEI hacks who directed Everything Everywhere All at Once (genuinely one of the worst pieces of garbage I've ever seen, it only won Oscars because of white guilt and Indiana Jones memberberries I hope everyone who pretended to like it and propped it up as a masterpiece and gave the annoying chink from Temple of Doom a comeback kills themselves) and it's about as bad and stupid as that sounds. Anyway yeah, the last two episodes are admittedly the best Star Wars thing in a long ass time, but the rest of the show is woke uninspired garbage with a fucking mutt who you'll want to strangle to death by the end of it (seriously, I'm tired of people pretending he was good because muh Jake Lloyd, he's a product of race mixing degeneracy he deserves to be despised).
 
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