US US Politics General 2 - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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[StudMccool]

You are the living embodiment of the dunning-kruger effect. Or fifteen. Or both. I haven't decided yet.

buddy, you are... special and I dont have all the time to explain why your take on AI is correct but lacking nuance.

how about this, I read your article and its good, they seem to skip over the fact we have a HUGE source of data we can provide AI LLMS with to turn them into an AGI within a year and I think trumps in the process of it, simply let them tap into all humans text conversations

im talking about private text message conversations, force telecom company's to comply with it then allow the models to process that data

will take a year maybe more, not sure exactly how much throughput they can offer them with new texts constantly happening.

 

[Cubanodun]

Trump has not finished his dastardly plan of messing with Petro, WaPo revealed that massive fuck up was because Petro was unsupervised, when people on the government finally noticed was happening they went and told him to shut up, even his own party got mad at him because they did not want to go down with him when his approval is on the toilet, his party had to eat the L that was Alvaro Uribe his main adversary with people in the government that cutted Petro out of the negotiations with Washington that fixed his mess

Of course this been latin america the rats are noticing the sinking ship and parties have already started to abandon Petro coalition of political parties




Petro way to own this? fuck up the electoral committee right now to rig the election next year because he is predicted to get eviscerate

 

[draggs]

How is that any different that a programmer using Microsoft Copilot? MIT and Google were bragging about this very thing two years ago. Was it "fair" for Europeans to take gunpowder which the Chinese used for fireworks and put it in a metal tube to launch a ball?
The military shouldn't use it because some moron will pass sensitive data to the Chinese. But it is a good AI model. Hopefully our industry can learn something from this.

That's a different question, isn't it? DeepSeek being a typical Chinese rip-off isn't saying Western AI didn't rip off anything itself, or that it's okay for Western AI to do it because reasons. You're the one who brought fairness up. I brought up sucking chink micropeen because they stood on the shoulders of others and laid another brick on top of the structure being silly. Western AI has ripped off but it also laid a lot more of the bricks itself

Gunpowder production was significantly refined in Europe (and by the Turkroaches) to the point where the quality exceeded the quality of Chinese mixtures by orders of magnitude within a century or two. While Chinese gunpowder quality improved much more slowly over a thousand-plus years. That isn't the situation here

 

[The Blue Morpho]

Reality check: Republicans ultimately hold the real tools — appropriations and subpoenas — for keeping the executive branch in check, a reality Democrats are clear-eyed about.

• "If the Democrats were in control, we would be having hearings immediately," said Raskin. "I would hope that our Republican colleagues would be as alarmed as we are, but I have a hunch they may not be."
• Of his CIGIE bill, Connolly said: "We're in the minority so I doubt that legislation is going to pass. That doesn't mean we can't put it in the hopper and, hopefully, two years hence, address some of these issues legislatively."

The bottom line: For now, Huffman acknowledged, Democrats' most reliable avenue for recourse is "the bully pulpit, it's marshaling public opinion, it's calling out our Republican colleagues who've turned into feckless supplicants."

• "And it's setting our sights on the 2026 midterm, when hopefully the cavalry will arrive."

In other words, they will cope and seethe and dilate like the impotent niggers they are while everyone who isn't a death cultist celebrates.

 

[The Noticer]

Hey, dipshit, you can't buy cigarettes on EBT. If you're going to endlessly bitch and moan about something, at least know what it does before shitting up the thread.

But you can buy dozens of boxes of cheap canned drinks on EBT for example in states that have deposits for them, dump them all out, then immediately return the cans for the deposit money to go spend on meth.

 

[NSA Intern]

buddy, you are... special and I dont have all the time to explain why your take on AI is correct but lacking nuance.

how about this, I read your article and its good, they seem to skip over the fact we have a HUGE source of data we can provide AI LLMS with to turn them into an AGI within a year and I think trumps in the process of it, simply let them tap into all humans text conversations

im talking about private text message conversations, force telecom company's to comply with it then allow the models to process that data

will take a year maybe more, not sure exactly how much throughput they can offer them with new texts constantly happening.

We currently have no path to AGI. What LLM midwits like Altman are creaming themselves over are unfathomable sorting algorithms which predict output from input based on billions of trained weights. There is no intelligence behind it. It is the predictive text on your 10-year old iPhone turned up to 11. Until we know how consciousness works in wetware (and some like Roger Penrose believe that it isn't a classical phenomenon), we won't have a hope of reproducing it in hardware, and even then it's far more likely we'd end up with a Blindsight AI than a Culture AI.

The belief that if you crank a calculator up high enough, you eventually get consciousness, is as old as the digital computer itself. When the ENIAC went live, the expectation was that it wouldn't be too long before consciousness emerged in machines. Supercomputers are now hitting exaflop territory, or roughly two quadrillion ENIACs, enough to put a few thousand ENIACs in orbit around every star in the Milky Way.

It still isn't enough. The modern supercomputer is an inferno of electricity as we're approaching the absolute limits on how much energy can be passed through a circuit, and the best we can do is "it generates Markov chains of text that isn't always completely retarded."

 

[California Newt]

In simply cases they very much can, in general they indeed cannot

If they can't do it generally, then they're not actually doing it in the more limited cases. They're just pre-programmed for narrow situations; the computer is responding to flags set up for the situations—not analyzing the situations themselves to see if they'll halt.

You can't program a computer to recognize-at-distance and proactively avoid recursion, because computers don't actually understand anything. All you can do is set up rules ahead of time to keep it from falling into those situations; it's like damming a river.

They're like dominoes, or running water. They don't think and they don't intuit.

but neither can we which is all the more obvious given that pure math suffers from Gödel's Incompleteness Theorems.

You may have misunderstood Gödel. He was saying what I'm saying. You can't use the rules of a formal system to prove that system—you need foundation from outside of it. There will always be axioms that are inuited, and not derived.

Even the above video, while accurately describing the discovery, mischaracterizes the take-away at the end by saying there's always an "unknown" at the core the the quest for truth. Un-derived is not "unknown"; this mischaracterization poisons a lot of people's understanding of Gödel.

It's very related to the issue Searle brings up in the Chinese Room thought experiment, which directly critiques AGI as a concept:

I've attached a pdf that goes into even more detail. You can apply all critiques of western autonomous reasoning to AGI, because they both try to do epistemology without intuition or revelation—the former in the abstract, and the latter as an applied materialist attempt to re-create the human mind.

 

[MetokurGroomedMe]

im talking about private text message conversations, force telecom company's to comply with it then allow the models to process that data

how about the government stay the fuck away from my private texts? that's not the government's business.

none of what you are saying here will work. it's just going to build a larger LLM. it's not going to make it more intelligent, it will just increase the training data size, maybe make the act that the algorithm puts on more convincing.

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

I used to post Markov generated text to [various forums] in the '90s and it was surprising even then that while most people figured it out pretty quickly, there were people who would respond to it over and over, even though it should have been obvious.

AI text is slightly better than that, but still has a lot of the verbal equivalents of fucked-up hands. It may not be instantly available, but it doesn't really survive too many replies, especially if you're trying to tell.

I actually want to know is there a reverse Turing Test? Where a LLM or AI has to prove it’s actually talking to a human? The Turing Test is flawed because it just needs to fool a retard or someone not used to dealing with bots on the Internet. Having an AI peg it’s conversation partner would be interesting, I know some crypto company did something where two LLM models kept talking to each other and it became nonsense.

I feel like America has a possible leap at developing AI this way. Patrick Tomlinson is so retarded that most AI would likely peg him as a retarded chatbot.

 

[invisibult plus+]

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These people are fucking idiots

The same people that acted like the “pandemic” stopped for riots, and the economy was incredibly ultra mega strong and fantastic until a week ago.

 

[StudMccool]

how about the government stay the fuck away from my private texts? that's not the government's business.

uh oh, dont let this guy google where the big 4 telecom companies came from

 

[Private Tag Reporter]

I've been hearing word from several sources that ICE has been telling Navajo tribe members to prove their citizenship. Most seem to be reported by left wing sources but I wonder if it's just Trump Derangement Syndrome or if Trump is really that power mad.

Where would they deport them back to? India?

 

[JosephStalin]

Tell me what people on Medicaid do to deserve that support? Tell me what value they bring this world. Because from my perspective, they contribute nothing and exist only to feed on what hardworking Americans produce. Medical research grants are actually for making bioweapons by the way. As for small business loans, this is a sink or swim world and if they can't stay afloat without government assistance, they shouldn't exist. My tax dollars shouldn't fund some retard's pickleball or comic book store.

Why don't you say that to a three-year-old child whose parents cannot afford medical insurance and whose medical care is paid for through Medicaid? There are excesses in any system but don't tar all recipients with the same brush.

Please provide instances where medical research grants in the USA are used to make bioweapons. Our military can easily make them for themselves.

Small business loans help small businesses, which employ a huge number of Americans, start those businesses and sometimes help them keep going. However, they are loans which must be repaid, not grants. But our tax dollars indeed shouldn't fund pickleball anywhere, or sending condoms to the Taliban, or other idiocies.

 

[StudMccool]

@NSA Intern

I like ya sources G

 

[Andrealphus Fag 2]

But you can buy dozens of boxes of cheap canned drinks on EBT for example in states that have deposits for them, dump them all out, then immediately return the cans for the deposit money to go spend on meth.

Correlation isn't causation. I'd also suggest a quick look over the rest of the glowfag's posts, too. Dude's unhinged.

 

[invisibult plus+]

I've been hearing word from several sources that ICE has been telling Navajo tribe members to prove their citizenship. Most seem to be reported by left wing sources but I wonder if it's just Trump Derangement Syndrome or if Trump is really that power mad.

On the off chance it isn’t leftists talking shit, I bet the coyotes and others are more than happy to take advantage of the Navajo and their territories.

 

[cain_destroyer1]

It should be obvious by now that space is a dead end and a way for tech faggots to scam our government out of billions. The oil stuff is cool, but is there a problem with our current oil extraction methods? Fracking seemed to fix all the obvious issues.

Space is important because there are no niggers there and I want to be where they arent.

 

[Fuck Bankers]

That's a different question, isn't it? DeepSeek being a typical Chinese rip-off isn't saying Western AI didn't rip off anything itself, or that it's okay for Western AI to do it because reasons. You're the one who brought fairness up. I brought up sucking chink micropeen because they stood on the shoulders of others and laid another brick on top of the structure being silly. Western AI has ripped off but it also laid a lot more of the bricks itself

They did lie about not using ChatGPT. However, I wouldn't say that it is a "rip-off". Using this technology in a novel way made a better model, that is easier to run. End of story. If it was so easy then why didn't OpenAI themselves think to do this? Also if "OpenAI" is going to get billions in tax-payer dollars, then their project should be completely open source. Unless there's some super crazy AI that the military and OpenAI are working on, then that should obviously be private.

 

[NSA Intern]

It's very related to the issue Searle brings up in the Chinese Room thought experiment, which directly critiques AGI as a concept:

 

[Necrosan]

Space is important because there are no niggers there and I want to be where they arent.

Can't we just research ways to live underwater then?