Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Sleazy Car Salesman said:
Ulysses and Kreia also share the Avellone character trait where even if you agree with part of what they're saying they're so far up their own respective asses that they're right for the wrong reasons to the point that they're back to being wrong again.
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Avellone is a very overrated writer, I use to think that KOTOR 2 was the best star wars RPG, and that Kreia was a very interesting character (even if I disagreed with her) but coming back and playing the game recently (and rage quitting because the HK Factory quest bugged out and my last save was 2 hours earlier in the run before the enclave scene) I was just reading what Kreia was saying and her philosophy on things and its so fucking pretentious and up her own ass. She's still a good character I think, I think its fair to have a character basically have existential dread or fear that her actions are set in stone due to the force, where It starts getting stupid is the idea that killing the whole galaxy either through her own actions or through creating people like Nihilus or Sion will make things better.

Mix in the forced dialogue like the beggar on Nar Shaddaa where I can either give him the money or threaten to break his neck and get reprimanded either way I went from really enjoying her outside of the box views to thinking she got her morals from being a Nihilist who because she cant convince everyone to off themselves, she's just gonna have to do them a favor and do it for them.

I still think KOTOR 2 is a great game on par with the 1st but i've definetely waned on the dick riding for the "deep" philosophy of Kreia.
 
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Lorkhan187 said:
She's still a good character I think
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That's really my issue with Avellone's writing tbh. Kreia is a very good character and even if I think she's a miserable old bitch and wrong about nearly everything she still makes sense as a character. Where my issue with Avellone's writing comes in is that Avellone very clearly wrote her viewpoint to be the correct viewpoint, and I don't like that sort of overreach by the author. It reminds me of Alan Moore.
Lorkhan187 said:
Mix in the forced dialogue like the beggar on Nar Shaddaa where I can either give him the money or threaten to break his neck and get reprimanded either way I went from really enjoying her outside of the box views to thinking she got her morals from being a Nihilist who because she cant convince everyone to off themselves, she's just gonna have to do them a favor and do it for them.
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That's the big reason why I like the first one better. KOTOR II is just "do something and then get reamed out by the old bitch". That's the whole game "Oh, you did literally anything? Time to talk to the old bitch." And she speaks in High Gygaxian where her philosophy is "Why explain in five words what you can explain with twenty?"
 
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XYZpdq Jr. said:
tbh a lot of fictional ideas fall apart when you consider "you could also just beat the shit out of people until they did it instead of all that trouble"
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Sure, but disbelief tolerances vary based on the attempts to follow realism in film, and how you handle the idea.

I wouldn't have an issue with InGen selling compies as a house pet for example and them going wild and killing kids and men. They're small, fight in large packs, and are mostly quiet.

I on a basic level do not mind the idea of selling Raptors as guard animals or trackers. They are trainable, intelligent, and decent problem solvers. I could believe that if the security chief said "we just have the best bloodhounds I ever saw. Police and so many other firms would love to have them". That's reasonable and would make sense. I do lose disbelief when you tell me they're replacing soldiers, can fucking fight on the level of an entire team of them even when armed and kitted, and the setting before this tried to be accurate to dino biology as of the 1990s at that time. Even genetic splicing can only accommodate so far before the disbelief breaks and I go "fuck you no that dino is fucking dead".

I do not mind at all hiring the deadliest bounty hunters and mercenaries to serve as a genetic template for a clone army; it has tactical reasons and the clones are customized to be obedient rather than independent. I have issues with one gene template making them vulnerable to a targeted illness to that gene sequence, but it does not break my disbelief. Honestly the clones of the same guy and them either being indoctrinated or chipped but having different personalities is the one that does that more. Like yeah, their experiences in war and in command treatments and among civvies would change them somewhat, but the biomachinery and intentional attempts to sameify them makes that hard to do well.
 
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I never understood why they needed to be chipped or indoctrinated or spellbound or whatever to be honest. The one Kaminoan Obi-Wan runs into says they were slightly altered to be more obedient, Palpy issues a lawful order, they obey and slaughter the Jedi. Worrying about the mechanism of how or why the clones obey Order 66 seems to miss the forest for the trees. They go along with it because they're clones and they've been genetically made to obey, so they do. They might not want to, but they do. Commander Cody even flinches when he receives the order, but he still follows through with it. Even beyond the clone part, they are soldiers and they've been told the Jedi just tried to throw a coup by the lawful authority. That's all the justification they need.
 
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I mean, I know why we needed to be told about chipping and whatnot. We've spent a few seasons of animation with the clone characters and need there to be some reason they would just turn on the Jedi, who they have fought beside for years, because it simply needs to be dumbed down by Filoni. Instead of simply saying "they were actively created that way by Sidious because he knew exactly how he was going to use them long before Obi Wan went to Kamino", there still needs to be some reason that can somehow be ignored by a few clone characters so Filoni and insert them into other projects. And to sell more of their toys of course.
 
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someone is selling a Jar Jar Twinks Dakimakura

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Midwit said:
No he didn't, TFA felt like a JJ Abrams film with Star Wars things in it. The cinematography was completely different to Lucas' work and the difference is readily apparent.
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I'm at a bit of a disadvantage here because I only saw the film once, ten years ago, and I'm certainly not going to watch it again. All I can say is that that didn't occur to me back then.
 
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The People vs. George Lucas, the documentary that really started the chain of events that led to where Star Wars is today. The RLM reviews could be ignored, but this, I think, was what made George call it quits.

It's been up on youtube for a while, so might as well archive it here.



Mark talking about how they tried to get him in the documentary to trash George


As a little extra, Hot Waffles' tastefully-titled tune - "George Lucas Raped Our Childhood"!


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William Murderface said:
I never understood why they needed to be chipped or indoctrinated or spellbound or whatever to be honest. The one Kaminoan Obi-Wan runs into says they were slightly altered to be more obedient, Palpy issues a lawful order, they obey and slaughter the Jedi. Worrying about the mechanism of how or why the clones obey Order 66 seems to miss the forest for the trees. They go along with it because they're clones and they've been genetically made to obey, so they do. They might not want to, but they do. Commander Cody even flinches when he receives the order, but he still follows through with it. Even beyond the clone part, they are soldiers and they've been told the Jedi just tried to throw a coup by the lawful authority. That's all the justification they need.
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And like someone pointed out earlier in the thread most of the garden variety clone troopers were more or less just flesh droids, as in they were created to follow orders.
The only clones that had higher intellectual capacity were the special clones like the ARC Troopers and the Commandos. And surprise, surprise in the old EU it was mostly those particular types of clones that were able to understand what was actually going on and deserted.
The rest literally only knew how to do their job.

There never was a need for a brain chip because they were literally born and indoctrinated to follow Palp's orders without question.
 
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Eddie Riggs said:
The People vs. George Lucas, the documentary that really started the chain of events that led to where Star Wars is today. The RLM reviews could be ignored, but this, I think, was what made George call it quits.

It's been up on youtube for a while, so might as well archive it here.

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As a little extra, Hot Waffles' tastefully-titled tune - "George Lucas Raped Our Childhood"!
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Should come with a warning. The whole documentary is pure Gen X and Millennial generation nerd cringe and in the worst way possible. Just the sheer amount of hubris and entitlement. Just about every single person in that documentary deserves to have the disney era. Like lol, when Neil Gaiman is the most reasonable person in your documentary you know how low it can get. Like none of these people deserve creatives at all and it is very understandable why George Lucas no longer wanted anything to do with these people. Is George Perfect? No, but he made his art the way he wanted to and you are not entitled to anything else. You are all the reason why good things cannot be made anymore.
 
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