Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me

[Hunter Hearst Helmsley]

It's right there in the name "Bullet" train.

 

[cactus]

It's right there in the name "Bullet" train.

The Japanese don't call them that though, they call them shinkansen, which doesn't translate into bullet train.

 

[DavidS877]

An electric plane sounds like the most retarded level of EV yet. Rather than have Jet Fuel that you can gauge directly to how much you need, instead make the plane heavier by tons (that will not drop weight during the flight) and hope to god nothing catches fire.

I think there's a niche for short hop stuff, think small town to the big airport. And maybe also short range air taxi like Lyft. But bigger than that batteries are a losing proposition. Use the abundant electricity from the fusion reactors to make synthetic hydrocarbons from CO2 and water instead.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

The Japanese don't call them that though, they call them shinkansen, which doesn't translate into bullet train.

The French don't call it that either. It's simply fast train.

 

[1994 Honda Civic]

perhaps but i want my japanese bullet train systems stretching across the entire us connecting states and cities together for faster travel without the use of vehicle dammit

Not going to happen if even a place like California can't get their HSR built in the middle of a huge valley. That's been in the "works" since '08 and was supposed to open in 2020.

There's simply no demand for it whatsoever since a car can do everything you need to with no need for fixed schedules. It's such a dead idea that even our politicans know it isn't worth it and they just launder the money to other wasteful spending.

 

[Betonhaus]

The Japanese don't call them that though, they call them shinkansen, which doesn't translate into bullet train.

that's because they can't have guns.

 

[Thiletonomics]

Not going to happen if even a place like California can't get their HSR built in the middle of a huge valley. That's been in the "works" since '08 and was supposed to open in 2020.

There's simply no demand for it whatsoever since a car can do everything you need to with no need for fixed schedules. It's such a dead idea that even our politicans know it isn't worth it and they just launder the money to other wasteful spending.

And if you thought California's incompetence with their HSR project was bad, Hawaii's rail project, Skyline, would make Cali's HSR look like Japan's Shinkansen instead with how shitty Skyline is being built and ran. And this audit is just a fraction of how hard Hawaii shit the bed with rail. / Archive

 

[teriyakiburns]

The Japanese don't call them that though, they call them shinkansen, which doesn't translate into bullet train.

They did originally and still do informally. It was a nickname given to the project when it was initially developed in the late 30s. It stuck around after the introduction of the 0 series shinkansen sets, because they were shaped a bit like a bullet.

 

[Betonhaus]

Allegedly there's an "Boston Electric Tea Party" movement where people on Boston are threatening to steal Tesla's and dump them in the harbor to protest ICE crackdowns. I haven't seen much about it except a Facebook post so I doubt it has much momentum.

It also doesn't seem very environmentally friendly.

 

[cactus]

They did originally and still do informally. It was a nickname given to the project when it was initially developed in the late 30s. It stuck around after the introduction of the 0 series shinkansen sets, because they were shaped a bit like a bullet.

I never heard this. Every video I've seen by a Japanese person or expat call it a shinkansen.

 

[Markass the Worst]

Allegedly there's an "Boston Electric Tea Party" movement where people on Boston are threatening to steal Tesla's and dump them in the harbor to protest ICE crackdowns. I haven't seen much about it except a Facebook post so I doubt it has much momentum.

It also doesn't seem very environmentally friendly.

I had to figure out which ICE.

If it was the internal combustion engine, it would be an extremely based move.
If it was Immigrations & Custom Enforcement, it would be extremely retarded (ICE are the only good feds).

Unfortunately it looks like the latter.

 

[Thiletonomics]

Volvo revealed their new EV sedan, the ES90, but it's no different from Chinese EVs (and also because Volvo is Chinese-owned), to the point that if you remove all of the badges from this car, people would think it's a BYD, Xiaomi, or other Chinese-brand car:



This sedan is also very heavy, at ~5800 lbs, about the same as the infamously obese Vinfast VF8 EV.

 

[DavidS877]

This sedan is also very heavy, at ~5800 lbs, about the same as the infamously obese Vinfast VF8 EV.

• The ES90 doesn't yet have an EPA range estimate, but we expect versions with the bigger battery can go about 369 miles on a full charge.

That's not nearly as bad as I was expecting. I was expecting heavy and really short range. I mean, it's still short, but not as short as it could have been.

 

[teriyakiburns]

That's not nearly as bad as I was expecting. I was expecting heavy and really short range. I mean, it's still short, but not as short as it could have been.

Range estimates are lies. They assume a non-stop journey at a fixed speed, without any deviations, and calculate the range based on the discharge rate of the battery. The actual range of these things is often up to 100 miles lower than the estimate, even in the best of conditions.

 

[DavidS877]

Range estimates are lies. They assume a non-stop journey at a fixed speed, without any deviations, and calculate the range based on the discharge rate of the battery. The actual range of these things is often up to 100 miles lower than the estimate, even in the best of conditions.

Mine will get pretty close to the 450 miles rated range if I don't drive like I normally do. That puts it around 400.

But the problem isn't absolute range it's relative range. Most people don't drive their gas cars to 0 but doing that in an EV is an even worse idea. Normal driving is 80% to 20%, at least out here in the hinterlands where the next working charger may be some distance away. So that's 60% usable of the 400 mile range, so 240 miles, which is still a good 4 hours of driving on a long trip which isn't horrible. You'll not charge to 100% at a 'fast' charger as that last 20% will take eons, but it's easy enough to charge it at home to 100% before a long trip to keep your first charge stop a little farther away.

 

[anklyscr]

with EVs we can make really awesome looking cars as we don't need to package drive shafts and engines. they can be big and tall or low and sleek. anything you want

everything is now an SUV

that Volvo is an suv. it should be a foot lower but due to the shitness of li-ion you need to hide a ton of batteries under the floor

 

[The Ugly One]

Meanwhile, this remains the hottest car to ever grace the road:


Of course, I only ever saw one as a Micro Machine until I finally saw one at a car show, many years later.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Allegedly there's an "Boston Electric Tea Party" movement where people on Boston are threatening to steal Tesla's and dump them in the harbor to protest ICE crackdowns. I haven't seen much about it except a Facebook post so I doubt it has much momentum.

It also doesn't seem very environmentally friendly.

Original Boston Tea Party - Against a foreign government that wanted Americans to pay taxes.
Modern Boston Tea Party - Against a billionaire tangentially related to a democratically elected government that wants people to pay less taxes.

Also I remember that once you drain normal cars from fuel and oil they are actually pretty good when dumped underwater.

 

[quaawaa]

Normal driving is 80% to 20%, at least out here in the hinterlands where the next working charger may be some distance away.

That's everywhere because charging the battery above 80% or discharging it below 20% damages it.

EVs need at least a 1000 mile range to equal a gas car with a 300 mile range in all conditions.

First, you have to shrink the max capacity by 20% to account for battery aging over the lifetime of the car (if maintained, battery capacity drops during the first few years and remains relatively steady thereafter).

Now we have 80% of the original range.

Then, you have to remove 40% for the aforementioned battery protection. Now we have only 48% of the original range.

When the weather is cold or hot, power needs to be diverted to warm/cool the battery and the cabin, which further reduces the range (but this energy isn't free, you're still paying for it and chargers still need to pump it into the battery, just your car is less efficient).

Also, the EPA highway test is run at 55 MPH, if you drive at 70 MPH (the speed limit in many states), the range is further reduced.

Changing the wheels to larger ones, taking off the aero covers, or using performance tires can easily reduce range by 5% or more.


It's very easy for an EV to only have 20-30% of its rated range safely available.

 

[Betonhaus]