Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[Dizzyuntildeath]

(No joke. A lot of the tech that runs our nuclear arsenal is disturbingly old).

Scary to think that the fate of the planet rests on 1.44 MB of data, isn't it?

 

[The Un-Clit]

Scary to think that the fate of the planet rests on 1.44 MB of data, isn't it?

Hell, the old 8inch floppies held a fraction of that, more like 85-170Kb of data. But we're going badly off track here.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

That is hilarious, but would the courts tolerate it?

The courts aren't RMS - I don't know if they state that discovery has to be in a particular format. (c.f. "The “source code” for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it.").

If you did have it on some asinine format you'd probably want to have a good and reasonable explanation why it was on that.

"Dumptruck discovery" is certainly a thing. Flynn v Love has comments on it. Some are spicy and pertinent:

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/nevada/nvdce/3:2019cv00239/136890/190/

This is not okay. And, quite frankly, it is not the responsibility of the defense counsel to go and simply copy swaths of documents. It’s your responsibility to respond specifically to requests for production of documents requests, or requests for interrogatories, or requests for admissions. Remember, you filed this lawsuit. They didn’t. And they requested specific documents in response to specific questions, and you have an obligation to respond appropriately.... It is not just enough to say I have all these documents, come copy them. You still have to respond appropriately.... nder Rule 26, you can make discovery available and comply, but you still have to be responsive to the request. You can’t just doc dump and say that’s it. That’s not how it works.

 

[StinkySnack]

That poll would be a binary, right?

Either the judge allows him to partially pay, or he requires him to fully pay.

There's also the chance that the magistrate could throw out the sanction and, instead, send Russell a butt-plug with a pre-paid return envelope and an order stating that Russel is to wear the plug for a solid week and then mail it back to the magistrate for him to suck on like a pacifier.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

New poll

 

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I choose option 5, the magistrate judge will sentence Russell to death for crimes against jurisprudence.

 

[Justice Tony]

There's also the chance that the magistrate could throw out the sanction and, instead, send Russell a butt-plug with a pre-paid return envelope and an order stating that Russel is to wear the plug for a solid week and then mail it back to the magistrate for him to suck on like a pacifier.

Almost, he'd probably send Greer a Balldo. It's all the rage in the legal profession.

Nah. Stack of 8 inch floppies.

It wouldn't be completely unfair. I think the U.S. government still has the equipment to read those...

...in some missile silo in Nebraska.

(No joke. A lot of the tech that runs our nuclear arsenal is disturbingly old).

Not to derail the thread but it's not disturbingly old. Well it's old but it's not disturbing. The reason why the government hasn't upgraded the technology is because the old stuff has far less vulnerabilities. At least that's what I read about it. But anyway back on topic.

I choose option 5, the magistrate judge will sentence Russell to death for crimes against jurisprudence.

Sadly, the death penalty is only reserved for murder. See Coker v Georgia, 433 U.S. 584 (1977), a case which in my opinion is a terrible decision but hey it is what it us. Unless Greer produces a motion so retarded someone has a stroke and fucking dies, that sadly will not happen.

 

[Kosher Dill]

I voted "The Magistrate will deny the motion, and threaten jail time to Hardin".

 

[YarrBlueballs]

I voted "The Magistrate will deny the motion, and threaten jail time to Hardin".

How dare Hardin not advocate for Greer. Truly the Magistrate understands the plights of Mr. Moon's victims. (Greer knows all about the difference between victim and victims of course.)

 

[S.C.U.D.]

Sadly, the death penalty is only reserved for murder. See Coker v Georgia, 433 U.S. 584 (1977), a case which in my opinion is a terrible decision but hey it is what it us.

Also Kennedy v. Louisiana (2008 ).

 

[Hoi Polloi]

How dare Hardin not advocate for Greer. Truly the Magistrate understands the plights of Mr. Moon's victims. (Greer knows all about the difference between victim and victims of course.)

Does Hardin not realise he's supposed to be a neutral third party!? Truly a most unethival man in need of IMMEDIATE DISBARMENT!

 

[Harvey Danger]

I voted no. I'm hoping the magistrate views the district judge's intervention with annoyance, and wants Greer to get the full penalty he deserves for annoying the magistrate. Denying the bond simplifies things for the magistrate, and it also gives him an excuse to deny Hardin's request to review IFP status. The magistrate knows Hardin is right about the contradiction but he knows Greer's resulting shit-flinging will just derail things even more.

Normally I would say "that clears the way to continuing discovery and the trial deathmarch", but Greer screwed everything up with the 2 new defendants. So it only clears the way to Hardin's motion to stay.

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

That is hilarious, but would the courts tolerate it?

I don't see why not. They are entirely valid mediums for archival purposes and data interchange. The QIC-40 in particular is an accepted and a documented ISO standard for data archiving.

Hell, the old 8inch floppies held a fraction of that, more like 85-170Kb of data. But we're going badly off track here.

The last widely used and supported 8 inch floppy format, 8 inch DS DD - IBM 53FD/Shugart 850, introduced in 1977 was 1.2 MB, the same as the 5¼ inch HD, which was introduced in 1982.

 

[DavidS877]

I'm starting to imagine in the Judge's office he has a "Greer v Moon" board like they have for crimes with him trying to figure out where the hell this case is.

 

[D. Krauser]

Honestly a pauper calling someone else a broke bitch with no assets while flexing his ability to drop a g note if needed is hilarious. The only thing that could make it funnier is if Hardin attached screen caps of Greer offering to venmo insta thots and business ventures as exhibits. Totally understand by this wasn't done but having the judge look at that would definitely be a funny.

 

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Assuming the motion is granted, Mr Hardin can finally have a well-deserved rest.

That's assuming Russ actually does anything to try and get unmask those two anonymous users and doesn't just constantly plightsperg via motions begging the judge to just let him skip this whole boring "trial" thing and just get to the part where they give Russ everything he wants.

In the event that null is compelled to give data I expect that he wouldn't make those sorts of claims. He would just return the data in as raw a format as possible complying with the terms of the law and the request he received. It would be up to the requester to determine what the underlying data actually means.

I recommend null procure a Zip drive or a QIC-40 to return these sorts of requests.

Punch cards. Encoded in some esoteric non-ASCII encoding.

Not to derail the thread but it's not disturbingly old. Well it's old but it's not disturbing. The reason why the government hasn't upgraded the technology is because the old stuff has far less vulnerabilities. At least that's what I read about it. But anyway back on topic.

All the new stuff is made by China.

China has a disturbingly reliable trend of putting in backdoors and bugs (as in, microphones) in anything they build for us.

Not the kind of stuff you want in a nuke silo.

 

[Lapsus of the bepsus]

i vote the magistrate will post a higher bond than asked after which russhole will object and the district judge will overrule his objection in part (russ will not get the bond he asked for) and sustain in part (the new bond is $10)

 

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i vote the magistrate will post a higher bond than asked after which russhole will object and the district judge will overrule his objection in part (russ will not get the bond he asked for) and sustain in part (the new bond is $10)

Ten dollars is too much, so at that point Russhole plightspergs about 5 more times in letters to the court and demands the court re-evaluate twice and then mentions he's going to appeal that to the 10th.

 

[AnOminous]

Meh, I was off by a year or so. I'll take it.

He was authorized to practice law until late last year, although his last legal action in any kind of representative capacity (unless you count appearing as counsel of record and blowing off April's traffic case) was attempting to represent his co-defendants at that preliminary hearing.

After he became unauthorized for delinquent fees, he briefly became authorized again, then very shortly afterwards, was administratively put on unauthorized status again for failure to complete CLE. Then, on January 25 of this year, after blowing off the CLE notification they mailed him, the Supreme Court made it formal.

He was authorized to practice law until years into this suit, which started in September 2020, meaning it has hobbled on for over four years.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

When he was telling Hardin to sit and spin because I'M AT WORK I CAN'T DO MEET & CONFERS he was constantly being documented as spending those hours on Instagram badgering women

He may have been on the clock when he was badgering women, which is its own can of worms.