US US Politics General 2 - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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[FILTH Tourist]

I'm guessing though it may be a case of him asking to pardon his own son and being forced or pushed to pardon several other people.

The Hunter pardon looks legit. It's the last day pardons that Trump is challenging. I think what happened is when Biden was getting ready for his last day, some Biden staffers got frantic phone calls from people asking for a pardon, and they went ahead and did it because Biden is too busy getting his morning breakfast of ice cream and stimulants.

Trump's been doing a good job creating the news cycle and keeping his political enemies sputtering in the fumes. Is Milley about to find out what "white rage" is? Maybe call it orange rage?

Milley should be more worried about the upcoming treason charge.

let a man hope.

 

[Cuckoman]

Is there anything in the actual law that allows for pardons to be undone? If not, then it isn't possible.

I appreciate Trump's attempts to try and fix things, but he has to realize that he literally can't just make shit up. That's not how a country of rule and law works.

He also needs to remember just because he believes something to be true doesn't mean it is. Unless he can prove what he is saying, it has no legal validity.

Technically I don't think he has undone any pardons.
He is not undoing or cancelling any pardons. The entire premise is that the pardons never happened in the first place.

That is a very important distinction.

 

[Oriental_Wheelchair]

Zero chance this actually holds up. The president has the power to issue unconditional pardons. Using an electric pen instead of his hand to make the signature makes no difference. Sorry to anybody who wants to see fauci in prison, but remember that whatever power you give to your side, it will be used by the other side when the pendulum swings in that direction

Feels like that's the end goal. Keep balkanizing US harder and harder.

 

[neger psykolog]

The Hunter pardon looks legit. It's the last day pardons that Trump is challenging. I think what happened is when Biden was getting ready for his last day, some Biden staffers got frantic phone calls from people asking for a pardon, and they went ahead and did it because Biden is too busy getting his morning breakfast of ice cream and stimulants.

Yeah but you could also just as easily rationalize it that the administration was worried about their own party pushing back on the pardons because they were excessive or (insert concern here), so they timed them to be on the last day.

And "last day pardons" have happened way before this:

• "In the 18th century, George Washington granted the first high-profile federal pardon to leaders of the Whiskey Rebellion on his final day in office"
• "In the 21st century, Clinton's pardons of 140 people on his last day in office, January 20, 2001, including billionaire fugitive Marc Rich and his own half-brother, Roger Clinton, were heavily criticized."

 

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Is there anything in the actual law that allows for pardons to be undone? If not, then it isn't possible.

I appreciate Trump's attempts to try and fix things, but he has to realize that he literally can't just make shit up. That's not how a country of rule and law works.

He also needs to remember just because he believes something to be true doesn't mean it is. Unless he can prove what he is saying, it has no legal validity.

There's nothing that allows pardons to be undone. The question is whether they were pardons in the first place.
If I wiped my ass on a piece of paper and called it a presidential pardon, would that count? No, so there must be some criteria.
This is Trump taking the position that a White House staffer copying the president's signature without his knowledge doesn't count.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

I see no way this can bite trump and his followers right in the ass.

Sorry, but Trump signed all his pardons by hand with an ink pen in front of witnesses and on live television. Try again.

 

[neger psykolog]

There's nothing that allows pardons to be undone. The question is whether they were pardons in the first place.
If I wiped my ass on a piece of paper and called it a presidential pardon, would that count? No, so there must be some criteria.
This is Trump taking the position that a White House staffer copying the president's signature without his knowledge doesn't count.

I mean all it really takes is Biden to issue a video statement or signed document (or both) saying all of the pardons were done under his order. If he doesn't do that then it'll make things into a bigger question.

 

[Ghostse]

I get wanting to go after these people still, but this is not legally a great way of doing that.

Agreed. At best its a waste of time, at worst that is a door I don't want to see opened.
This is hilarious, but at the same time I'd rather move forward. Do a Truth and Reconcilliation council for the COVID fuckers but its time to stop the petty squabbling over what's happened.

No. You can't overturn a pardon.

Trump isn't overturning he is nullifying. He's saying the Pardons weren't issued legitmately.

I bought some property with a friend who was in another country at the time the opportunity presented itself, and he gave me authorization to sign his name on a check for the earnest money. That isn't forgery because it was done at his request and with his foreknowledge. I worked for a small company that had stamps of the owner's signature for endorsing and signing stamps - the bank never blinked because it was all used with the express authorization of the owner.

Trump's argument, and its a valid argument even if we can question if the claim itself is true (or even provable), is that Biden was too senile to know what he was signing and staffers went rogue with the signature stamp signing stuff he never authorized (or was too senile to authorize)
If I just signed my friend's name to his check without checking with him, that's forgery. If the accounts payable lady had used the stamp to sign a check to cash for a christmas bonus that's forgery and fraud.

Time to go after that evil cocksucker Fauci.

I'm not going to lie, the rest of them I don't give a fuck about. I don't even care if Fauci gets off with a slap on the wrist so long as he allocutes completely and fully.

I mean all it really takes is Biden to issue a video statement or signed document (or both) saying all of the pardons were done under his order. If he doesn't do that then it'll make things into a bigger question.

Sadly Biden has a case of the "Knows too much dirt on the clintons" to be available for any videotape depositions or mental competency checks. He's currently on a chess retreat with some of the less-popular Russian Military Officers.

 

[30+GameOvers]

Trump overruled Biden's pardons.
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This sets a dangerous precedent, but you know what? Fuck em, couldn't happen to nicer people than democrats.
I will take back all my jokes about Trump being a lame duck president if he can actually imprison Fauci and release all the classified COVID documents. I guess it's too much to ask for a full, unredacted Epstein's list, but this will do.

 

[AnotherPleb]

The timing of this gonna make the leftist shitters FREAK out when they wake up , as we can already see with the retards like Neil and the no pfp socks who decided to come over to seethe.

Here's hoping you guys will post all the salt from leftist media in the thread so I can enjoy it later today

This thread is going to jump 50+ pages today, isn't it?

 

[neger psykolog]

Sorry, but Trump signed all his pardons by hand with an ink pen in front of witnesses and on live television. Try again.

I can't find any TV footage of him signing the pardon of Michael Flynn. He only announced it on Twitter.

I bet if I spent a bit of time I could find more examples.

 

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I don't think the VP gets all the president's power when they are filling in. Otherwise, we would have gotten stories of some wild VP pardons when the President is getting surgery done or something. The VP and cabinet can do a vote of no confidence, which would make the VP the new president if the president is actually incapacitated.

I'm absolutely certain a VP could try pardoning someone while he was filling in and it would make for a fascinating SCOTUS case if it was challenged. But like everything else in our system, it's held together by Gentlemens' agreements not to do things like that, and is completely useless for ruling over or by a nation of anything but ethical, honorable, gentlemen. God help us.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

Sorry, but Trump signed all his pardons by hand with an ink pen in front of witnesses and on live television. Try again.

"You can't sign papers in Sharpe, therefore everything is null and void!"

Yeah but you could also just as easily rationalize it that the administration was worried about their own party pushing back on the pardons because they were excessive or (insert concern here), so they timed them to be on the last day.

And "last day pardons" have happened way before this:

• "In the 18th century, George Washington granted the first high-profile federal pardon to leaders of the Whiskey Rebellion on his final day in office"
• "In the 21st century, Clinton's pardons of 140 people on his last day in office, January 20, 2001, including billionaire fugitive Marc Rich and his own half-brother, Roger Clinton, were heavily criticized."

Last day pardons are common and valid, but the use of an Autopen and Biden being Biden along with whatever Trump's team has found has made these pardons very suspect and it seems like deepstate looking out for deepstate than Biden doing the Dems a solid.

 

[GameratePTSD]

I will take back all my jokes about Trump being a lame duck president if he can actually imprison Fauci and release all the classified COVID documents.

I want to see Mark Milley executed. Even if this doesn't work I'll bet that fat fuck felt sheer panic when he heard this news.

 

[Rekieta’s Broken Penis]

I see no way this can bite trump and his followers right in the ass.

Sorry, but Trump signed all his pardons by hand with an ink pen in front of witnesses and on live television. Try again.

Sounds like you agree with him, retard.

 

[neger psykolog]

I don't think the VP gets all the president's power when they are filling in. Otherwise, we would have gotten stories of some wild VP pardons when the President is getting surgery done or something. The VP and cabinet can do a vote of no confidence, which would make the VP the new president if the president is actually incapacitated.

There gave never been wild VP pardons because it'd be political suicide.

 

[Oxyjen]

Feels like that's the end goal. Keep balkanizing US harder and harder.

Of course. Liquidate the US. Retards cheering the whole way.

 

[Neil]

Culture wars are literally what lead to Trump getting elected President of the United States, and to you crying and hyperventilating right now faggot!

LMAO the middle class voting against their own interests for the sake of owning the sub <<<<1% percent of troons that live in the US isn't a good thing lol
Our economy being in shambles should matter more than seeing random Twitter users be upset, I'd think.

Trump lost to the most massive cheating apparatus ever devised in the USA, protected by a fake pandemic allowing their operative to operate blatantly illegally, and including a completely captured judiciary ensuring that no remedy was possible.

He has four long years to actually prove that, then lol, but he won't, he conjured up the rigged election lie because he was asshurt that he lost, beaten by Joe Biden. And you believe that lie because you're also asshurt that he lost, beaten by Joe Biden.

btw Trump was the president throughout the vast majority of the COVID pandemic, and the entirety of the 2020 election, he's had access to the government's backend longer than Biden, yet he still hasn't found any proof of this supposed magical "massive cheating apparatus".

Biden is unpardoned and completely open to be prosecuted for supposedly running this "massive cheating apparatus", yet Trump hasn't done that yet. He hasn't even mentioned the supposed cheating ever since he won reelection. Have you ever wondered why that is?

 

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This thread is going to jump 50+ pages today, isn't it?

50+? More like 100+. It was featured, and this is a political event that will be discussed in the history books, no matter what happens.

He put his statement out 35 minutes after midnight. We're still 15 minutes to 3 hours and 15 minutes before shit starts opening up on the East Coast.

All hell is about to break loose, politically speaking.

We might finally, dare I say it, see something actually happen.

Last day pardons are common and valid, but the use of an Autopen and Biden being Biden along with whatever Trump's team has found has made these pardons very suspect and it seems like deepstate looking out for deepstate than Biden doing the Dems a solid.

I can't imagine Trump would do this without having found evidence. Even Friday they were talking about Biden insiders leaking shit to the WaPo New York Post about a specific Biden staffer having used the Autopen to sign things without Biden's knowledge, under the assumption that Biden's staffer knew what the President would have wanted. The staffer flat out said that the aide was effectively President, not Biden.

Once that information got out, Trump + the FBI + The Secret Service probably dragged staffers in to find out what the fuck happened, or someone went straight to the Trump admin to leak it. Remember, the Democrats have lost support of their own base. Everyone hates them, even the ex Biden staffers. That's presuming they didn't leave any paper trails -- video evidence, people talking about it on internal comms or Telegram/Signal using government devices, etc.

If Trump has hard evidence confirming one of Biden's staff was de-facto acting as President, he has a blank check to undo anything Biden did that was signed via Autopen. And that's basically everything Biden did, because one of the first warning signs of dementia is your signature degrading.

 

[BradCarter]

Our economy being in shambles should matter more than seeing random Twitter users be upset, I'd think.

Just learn to code faggot