US US Politics General 2 - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

Helpful links for those who need them:

Current members of the House of Representatives
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Current members of the Senate
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Current members of the US Supreme Court
https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/biographies.aspx

Members of the Trump Administration
https://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/

 

[BikeLock]

The use of the Autopen for official duties was always wrong, and its time to stop pretending that it wasn't.

If the President can't use his own hand to put his own signature on it, it shouldn't get done. I don't care if it means that his hand falls off, that just means that there is WAY too much shit for him to sign, shit that probably shouldn't get done. It will force the executive to prioritize shit that he wants done, which is what a good executive should already be doing.

 

[Collections Agent]

Former Trump voter here. There is no plan. Trump is just insane. He’s tearing up alliances to help support Putin, his supporters have this insane idea that protesting at a Tesla station is terrorism, and the economy is collapsing while innocent citizens are getting disappeared in foreign nations without due process because they’re just brown.

For anyone saying "he's not overturning them, he's nullifying them" it doesn't matter, there is literally no avenue anywhere in any of our foundational documents that allows for anything to happen to a presidential pardon once it has been executed. Nothing can be done to it.

There is absolutely no law on this subject. It would need to literally be built de novo, from the ground up. One would need to establish standing to even challenge something, let along nullify it. Just the issue of standing to even bring a challenge of a presidential pardon would need to be established, and ultimately the SCOTUS would likely have to take it up and decide if standing could be established. If standing could be established, to have even the slightest chance to challenge a presidential pardon one would need to prove that the president didn't actually grant the pardon. You'd need evidence "beyond a reasonable doubt" of a massive conspiracy to issue pardon's that were not granted by the president. Evidence that rises to that level just isn't likely to exist. People don't seem to understand that when a legal pathway doesn't exist you can't just will it into existence. Even the president can't do that. There is an entire process that needs to occur.

Guys I hate to be the arbiter of common sense here but if the president didn't sign the pardons, they aren't valid.

If Trump is doing this there is a 99.9% chance he has evidence that's the case and is waiting on people to escalate so he can slam dunk them with it.

"Drumpf is totally dumb and finished this time" has been said for almost 10 years now and it's been wrong 100% of the time, so like keep saying it if it makes you feel better, but realize there's a pattern here and it's not going great in your favor if you think he's just doing random unconstitutional nonsense cause it funnie.

 

[The Last Stand]

This is all fucking retarded and a waste of time and taxpayer money. Autopen has been used by Presidents since at least Thomas Jefferson, who was a big fan.

They had automated pens or signature stencils back in the day?

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Democrats started targeting their political opponents with lawfare.

Already happened, and not just with Trump. Obama had the IRS specifically target Tea Party supporters.

 

[Levitcus prime24]

Former Trump voter here. There is no plan. Trump is just insane. He’s tearing up alliances to help support Putin, his supporters have this insane idea that protesting at a Tesla station is terrorism, and the economy is collapsing while innocent citizens are getting disappeared in foreign nations without due process because they’re just brown.

“Tearing up alliances to help support putin” whats the alternative going to war with a nuclear power, sending American troops to go die in a European land war?
“Protesting a tesla station is terrorism” setting expensive cars on fire and burning shit isn't protest and attacking people who do have a tesla also isn't protest that's assult at best. “Econemy is collapsing” on no the precious gay stonks line has gone down what will I do now. “While innocent civilians are getting disappeared in for he in countires” those innocent civilians committed a crime eby crossing the border illegally. Cut the bullshit about being a former trump voter, you are either a bot or just retarted.

 

[he who has thus come/gone]

He's clearly saying the ships should not be there, because America's job is not to patrol every Third World shithole. Or do you prefer Forever Coast Guard and Forever Police to go with your Forever Wars?

Commercial ships from any nation should be able to travel anywhere in the high seas (as that term is legally used) without disturbance by literal fucking pirates. This has been commonly understood and agreed upon since before the Romans wiped out piracy from the Mediterranean, and every single people from every single time period in every part of the world have always hated pirates and killed them.

Are you really saying that commercial shipping should get around the globe by going around the Horn of Africa like it's 1840 because some inbred pedophile worshipping pirates with shoddy explosives have decided to flail around like retards, and there's nothing anyone can do about it? The only possible point you have raised that should be taken seriously is that it's not just up to us to deal with piracy—every single civilized country should be blowing up these people.

I hate admitting it but sometimes libertarian isolationists are the most retarded people in American politics. You are literally regressing us back to before organized civilizations if you think we shouldn't be killing pirates, who have been and always will be such scum of the earth that the legal phrase inherited from ancient Rome to describe them is hostis humani generis—the "enemy of mankind."

 

[Alabama Gamer]

Man, I picked the wrong day to quit Xitter, didn't I.

 

[Croaking Spider]

Massive massie says we should just let the pirates fuck our ships because of America first or something, god why are all these never trumpet retards so well retarded.

Thomas Massie can suck a dick. The U.S. Navy's entire original purpose and charter was specifically to fight pirates that were fucking with our merchant ships while demanding tribute.

For a fun little history aside for anyone interested, TheFatElectrian did a video on the Barbary Wars. He keeps it informative while entertaining at the same time. It's ironic that 225 years later we've come full-circle to muslims fucking with the boats.

 

[PC78]

Ya win some ya lose some.I don't think anything will come about at this pardon announcement. Sometimes I think Trump should not be as over the top and stay quiet sometimes.Overall excepting Ukraine and this I'm very happy with President Trump.

 

[Yaniv’s Hairy Balls]

I don't think anyone is after Biden. It would look terrible to go after a former president even if he went after your first. However, the Jan 6th committe, I think more people would be okay with that than you care to think

I thought it meant he was going after Hunter and Fauci, which were the last pardons he put out, right? I may be wrong, the last 4-6 months have been a whirlwind of political back and forth lol

 

[FieldPiece]

Faucibros......not like this.

 

[JohnnyG]

Commercial ships from any nation should be able to travel anywhere in the high seas (as that term is legally used) without disturbance by literal fucking pirates

Careful with that "should" word. People should be able to have peaceful, high-trust societies, but many can't, and I'm not going to commit a gorillion tax dollars toward it in pro-rape shithole countries.

every single people from every single time period in every part of the world have always hated pirates and killed them

Yes, but right now "every single people" are not killing pirates, they're expecting the US to do it. Maybe they should start again.

Are you really saying that commercial shipping should get around the globe by going around the Horn of Africa like it's 1840

I'm saying commercial ships should start arming themselves again (currently banned via treaties designed to ensure only Team America: World Police can do it), and other nations should patrol their local coastlines instead of waiting for America to send carrier groups a gorillion miles away forever.

 

[not william stenchever]

He's clearly saying the ships should not be there, because America's job is not to patrol every Third World shithole. Or do you prefer Forever Coast Guard and Forever Police to go with your Forever Wars?

Skullfucking people until they stop messing with the freedom of navigation upon which the world economy relies does not a forever war make. The only reason the inbred dune coons are trying us is because they are inbred dune coons with favorable geography and free missiles. Making the Houthis regret it is a mission of tangible scope that doesn't require ground deployments or occupation.

 

[Levitcus prime24]

Putin and Trump will speak directly tomorrow.

 

[( ◠‿◠ )]

What if we send Faucci to China?

I hear El Salvador is nice this time of year.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

I know exactly what you’re saying and what you mean, but the chances of ever proving that is so very slim.

The political class has a very different reality from the rest of us, even the ultra wealthy.. and Biden is both.

Biden is also demented and is a victim in this scheme. This is stuff his underlings did, it doesn't involve him because Hunter still has his ass covered. Not to mention, Biden and the DNC aren't on the best of terms right now. There is a reason why they had to go around him in the first place.

 

[The Last Stand]

IMHO, if you're signing pardons, that should require the President's ACTUAL signature and approval. Maybe it should be a thing that any signed document from the President has to be recorded for those to see. Oh, and I found the answer to my own question.

The first signature duplicating machines were developed by Englishman John Isaac Hawkins. Hawkins received a United States patent for his device in 1803, called a polygraph (an abstracted version of the pantograph), in which the user may write with one pen and have their writing simultaneously reproduced by an attached second pen. Thomas Jefferson used the device extensively during his presidency.[1] This device bears little resemblance to today's autopens in design or operation.[4]

 

[MrJokerRager]

He’s tearing up alliances to help support Putin

That is some based shiet.

 

[TarragonRespecter]

I thought it meant he was going after Hunter and Fauci, which were the last pardons he put out, right? I may be wrong, the last 4-6 months have been a whirlwind of political back and forth lol

The last pardons he did were as Trump got sworn in and they were for his entire family

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

For DOGE to actually be effective, their actions would actually require time and thought to be put into their cuts

They don’t have time. They tried to do it in a more thoughtful manner last time and it didn’t work out. He has no choice but to do ad hoc cuts because the bureaucracy would undermine and undercut him if he didn’t. In an ideal world yes that would be the way to do it but we aren’t in an ideal world.

Trump killed the LP the first time around, look at the number of votes from 2012 to now, it's insane, especially considering how divisive all the mainstream candidates have been, even among their own parties. The problem is that the divisiveness of Trump was actually a draw to a lot of the Libertarians and it gutted them while at the same time not gaining anybody who was turned off by any candidates. A super unique situation that also happened to kill the party. Libertarian+ vs. Mises caucus was a death rattle and nothing more.

I voted libertarian in 2016… but once he started acting I regretted it and I’ve voted for him since.

We're going to have to break off relations with the UK in general with how they're morphing into an Islamic State.

We’ll need to do a reconquista.

10 years ago, this kind of shit would have you impeached.

After 10 years of abuse, crime and corruption, people stopped giving a shit.

I love humanity.

If the bureaucracy treated him as a normal president we wouldn’t be here but they were angry over Queen Hillary not getting her turn.

Soooo....This going to hold up, and how long until Liz Cheney & Fauci flee to Europe or China as fugitives?

Faucci would be an idiot to flee to China but I hope he ends up back there. And gets executed.

LMAO the middle class voting against their own interests for the sake of owning the sub <<<<1% percent of troons that live in the US isn't a good thing lol

How is globalization in the interest of the middle class? Oh wait you mean the laptop class, fuck them.

I went to Helen Hopkins profile expecting to see some putrid jewess. Nope, just your average liberal white cunt:
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Who needs Kikes when you have Whites like this?

Oh, is she trying to learn the dark arts though:
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I had the displeasure of once living in an all white super prog community. The problem is that progressivism is associated with wealth and success by the masses incapable of original thoughts.