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Should be a wild four years.

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I hate this bitch loomer but this is a based take. She has a lot of based takes. Wait, I don't hate her. I hate her grifting tho.
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Oh, no, it's fine to late Loomer. She's a creepy grifting bitch who has some profoundly retarded takes.

She's kinda like Bill Maher... Sometimes he says something that seems sane, but he's a consistent dumpster fire. Same with Loomer.
 
The remote control stuff is dubious as those models don't have anything to affect the steering, and i think even for cybertruck, the self-driving stuff has to be added on as a pack to mechanically affect the steering.
Well, the prevalence of lane assist and this example from 2015 of a production car being remotely controlled by executing code on the fucking CD player sorta puts the lie to that.

Basic question: Are cars more or less computerized now than 10 years ago?

And a follow up: Are cars more or less likely to be constantly sending and receiving data signals with no user intervention than 10 years ago?

Now let's add people pairing their mobile device to the car's network. Thank god no one, especially a state-level actor, has pwned and remotely executed code on a smartphone!

EDIT: For those who weren't around, Micheal Hastings was killed in a Mercedes. The CD player hack IIRC was first publicly demonstrated on a Mercedes at Blackhat or DEFCON.
 
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If Trump is doing this there is a 99.9% chance he has evidence that's the case and is waiting on people to escalate so he can slam dunk them with it.
it does seem like an awfully big movement to make when you don't have any backing for it, which is why i suspect there must be more going on behind the scenes. not to mention the fact that news media has been fairly quiet about it all things considered.
 
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Which laws did he specifically violate? I haven't kept up with the man in a while. Last thing I read about him was one of his colleagues claimed he had expressed in private his belief COVID-19 might have leaked from the lab in Wuhan despite publicly dismissing the notion.
How about the fact that he lied to congress about his involvement with gain of function.
 
The pardons aren't going away. I don't know why anyone would think they would. Wishing really hard that Fauci gets the rope sadly won't make it happen.
I have a question, if a pardon is upheld does that mean that the person in the pardon can be questioned about the events and cannot refuse to answer? I thought someone said that if they refused to answer questions the pardon would be null?
 
Trump uses this to start the lawsuit, but then brings up the argument that Joe was demented and uses the case to prove he has cognitive issues. If that could be proved, that seemingly would be a stronger case for his pardons being null and void.
He cannot. The sole power to determine whether a president was cognitively able to perform his duties is vested in the Vice President (and the President that is accused of having cognitive issues). The Congress, of course, has the sole authority to resolve any dispute on the matter. The 25th Amendment gives no power to Trump in this case (or even to the courts)

you literally can't be forced to answer questions that will 'implicate' you.
You can if the prosecution promises to not prosecute you based on your answers. Failing to answer then can subject you to contempt of court. See, broadly, the whole Cosby debacle. If you want an easy one place to read about all of it, Pennsylvania Supreme Court detailed it all here.
A good one would be if the president of the united states did something to dispute your pardon.
You cannot claim both camps. Either the President can overrule the pardons and there is 5th Amendment applications, or the President cannot overrule pardons and there is not 5th Amendment applications. Again, the Cosby case dealt with almost the exact issue. The executive promised to not charge Cosby for his testimony thereby stealing his 5th Amendment rights. Afterwards they charged him based on the facts revealed by his testimony. The Supreme Court of Pennsylvania reversed finding that executive was bound by its promise even when the executive thought it was not. There is no special concerns arising from the executive disputing your legal immunities.
 
From what I understand, the consensus settled on it being valid if done in his presence and at his direction, purely as a labor saving device, but definitely not if used independently.
The thing is, there's probably no way to prove that that isn't what happened. He can just say that it was done in his presence and at his direction, even if it wasn't
 
The pardons aren't going away. I don't know why anyone would think they would. Wishing really hard that Fauci gets the rope sadly won't make it happen.
I assume Biden's going to get dragged out of his retirement home to make a statement at some point in the next day or two.
I don't buy that Trump would argue this without having this hurdle cleared. The way Trump worded this largely seems to insinuate that it was Joe Biden himself saying he did not sign or know about these pardons. He's been on camera dozens of times saying he would never pardon Hunter but at the end of his term he turns around does it anyway? If that's the case and Joe Biden and Jill Biden both attest to not knowing anything about the pardons, then I'd say Trump has a leg to stand on.

What? Are you going to argue the President is too incompetent to remember signing the pardons on national television? You can't just say that and make this all magically go away. That's simultaneously an admission it was done without his sound mind. You can't use that argument to dismiss this in court. If you do, you admit that the person holding the auto-pen control was the defacto President which is an entire separate legal can of worms. The Constitution protects the President's right to issue a pardon. It does not protect it if the President himself comes out and says he never issued those pardons and someone did it on his behalf without his knowledge of it. That's clearly a treasonous act and makes them illegitimate. There's no specific crime that was ever being pardoned. It was just blanket pardons for future crimes that might be investigated someday. There's no standing for these pardons on their own to begin with.
 
I saw this on wikipedia regarding the autopen (yes I know, it is horribly biased on all things political).
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So Wiki is claiming
1) There may be originals out there signed by hand
2)There are photos that challenge the former staffer's claim of autopen

Does anyone know more about this? #2 in particular just sounds like political mushmouth that a picture of Biden signing a document technically exists, therefore staffer is wrong.
 
Ya win some ya lose some.I don't think anything will come about at this pardon announcement. Sometimes I think Trump should not be as over the top and stay quiet sometimes.Overall excepting Ukraine and this I'm very happy with President Trump.
The pardons aren't going away. I don't know why anyone would think they would. Wishing really hard that Fauci gets the rope sadly won't make it happen.
Of course the pardons will stand. That's not why this is being done. It will give us a fair number of benefits though:
  • It'll make the courts make a decision about this sort of thing for good (e.g. autopen being legit, revoking past pardons, etc.)
  • It'll keep the actual crimes and offenses of the pardoned assholes in the public eye instead of letting these little shits wriggle out of it completely, even if the legal hammer never comes down on them
  • It'll let us sniff for other weaknesses and nastiness based on how the Dems react -- they can't "not fight" this for obvious reasons (the people pardoned are guilty as fuck and know where lots of bodies are buried), but the way they choose to fight will be very informative and entertaining (Biden's dementia-riddled now and would give terrible testimony, and proving he was aware of (and approved) all that autopen usage could be an "interesting" problem for them)
  • It'll distract the press and obviously crooked judiciary from other, more important battles
  • It'll make liberals and radicals everywhere seethe with impotent rage and that's always really, really fucking funny
C'mon, doomposters, this is officially a Circus show, part of the Bread & Circus thing governments have been doing for millennia. Come join us as we laugh at the clowns!
 
Is this some auto-generated account or something? I don't think anybody was arguing this.
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What are you up to in there, buddy?

This is like the third no-pfp low-post dud account that just randomly started posting in the last couple of pages. And they're all speaking with the same uncharacteristic styles like all ending statements with "!" like you'd see some facebook grandma do. Did a bunch of botted Manchurian Candidate accounts just spring to life?
Joe Biden made a bot farm for the thread and is trying to shit it up.
 
He cannot. The sole power to determine whether a president was cognitively able to perform his duties is vested in the Vice President (and the President that is accused of having cognitive issues). The Congress, of course, has the sole authority to resolve any dispute on the matter. The 25th Amendment gives no power to Trump in this case (or even to the courts)

The last decade or so has pretty conclusively proven that that there is no "cannot", there is only "we'll see what shakes out".

Frankly while presidential pardons get abused on occasion, having the next president able to roll them back would make the clause pointless

Literally all it takes to make a pardon ironclad is actually fucking signing the thing. Which Biden didn't do. That's the point.
 
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