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Chainsaw Juggler said:
I saw this on wikipedia regarding the autopen (yes I know, it is horribly biased on all things political).
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So Wiki is claiming
1) There may be originals out there signed by hand
2)There are photos that challenge the former staffer's claim of autopen

Does anyone know more about this? #2 in particular just sounds like political mushmouth that a picture of Biden signing a document technically exists, therefore staffer is wrong.
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this is why I'm increasingly checking out of politics. I don't want to be the Nothing Ever Happens guy, but these slap-fights always go the same fucking way. Trump makes a statement, all the "experts" in the lügenpresse line up to take turns doing the aykchyually act, and the circle jerk continues. tiresome. I'm sure this "photographic evidence" is as inconclusive and unsatisfying as anything else that comes out of these stupid political fights, and that while the thing about the National Archive might be true, it has a hundred asterisks and qualifications and at most represents a technically correct half-truth. I really 100% genuinely hope Trump does actually repeal all of Biden's sus ass pardons, including Hunter's. I hope he chases down and strings up all the fucking criminals that have had the run of the country for the last four years. the autopen thing, if true, does genuinely feel like a justifiable reason for overturning the actions of the Biden administration. however, I doubt anything will come of it, as regardless of whether or not Biden was aware of any specific autopenned document, he was a completely willing participant in the absolute sham of an administration he presided over. there's a zero percent chance Biden will disavow any actions his staffers may or may not have taken in his name. moreover, as suspicious as the pardons were, that does not necessarily mean that there's proof of anything actionable that would lead to prosecution of any substance, or even that those people have actually done anything illegal. morally objectionable, sure, but that's not the same thing as illegal. Fauci in particular is most likely beyond reach; what would he even be charged with? lying and exploiting his position for personal profit? brother, if that was a smoking gun, you'd have to prosecute the entire federal government, Trump included.
 
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Party Hat Wurmple said:
No, he really doesn't. He's an 80 year old dying man with dementia who needs meds to do public appearances. You tend to not give a shit about anything when you're on death's door. At this point let's really take a look at the Biden's. Who's furthering their crime organization? Nobody. Who's the head of their family once Joe's gone? Hunter? Fuck no. Maybe Francis Biden but he wasn't a politics guy. None of their family is around anymore. The Biden's are largely done as a political entity. The only people left are Biden's siblings and their children who exist on the fringe of politics and even that's nebulous. I could absolutely see Biden or Jill saying "Leave us alone and you can have everyone else".
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With all his pardons in place, Biden's family is already protected. Once you cast doubt on some of them, the others become suspect.

I can easily see Trump offering a deal to Biden, to narc on his aides on the J6 commission pardons in exchange for ensuring the family pardons stay up. But I don't see any reason why Biden would want to take that deal, much less why he would trust Trump to enforce it after Biden dies. He would have to hate the J6 commission (or that aide) more than he cares about his own family, and he's never indicated anything other than support for those snakes.
 
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I figure this is a better fit for USPG than its own thread, so peep this. Archive.

German with a green card got reportedly abused by border patrol at Logan International Airport in Utah Boston for no reason whatsoever, totally unrelated to a previous record of marijuana possession when it was still a crime or his DUI ten years ago, both of which are justifiable reasons for deportation and revocation. I will not take the side of power-tripping feds, but this whole situation is dumb.

Edit: Incorrect airport city. Thanks, @DickMain
 
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marvlouslie said:
You don't think accepting a PRE-EMPTIVE PARDON implies someone being guilty as sin? LOL. Okay, buddy. Whatever you say.
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Perceived guilt and legal guilt are different things.

Everyone thinks you are guilty af if you need to accept a blanket 10 year pardon for your governmental fuckery. The legal system doesn't automatically confer guilt on you for accepting a pardon (is the point the other poster made). See the difference?
 
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marvlouslie said:
You don't think accepting a PRE-EMPTIVE PARDON implies someone being guilty as sin? LOL. Okay, buddy. Whatever you say.
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That's why he specified legal guilt. Everyone who isn't retarded knows that everyone who got a preemptive pardon has done some fucked up shit.
 
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AncientPhosphur said:
Former Trump voter here. There is no plan. Trump is just insane. He’s tearing up alliances to help support Putin, his supporters have this insane idea that protesting at a Tesla station is terrorism, and the economy is collapsing while innocent citizens are getting disappeared in foreign nations without due process because they’re just brown.
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Retarded hands typed this
 
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AncientPhosphur said:
Former Trump voter here. There is no plan. Trump is just insane. He’s tearing up alliances to help support Putin, his supporters have this insane idea that protesting at a Tesla station is terrorism, and the economy is collapsing while innocent citizens are getting disappeared in foreign nations without due process because they’re just brown.
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Hey McFaggot, learn how to fuckin look at the news. blowing shit up is terrorism.
 
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Ralph Barnhardt said:
The pardons also included really weird things like pardoning the judges from the Kids for Cash scandal in Pennsylvania who got kickbacks for sending kids to private prisons.
There was absolutely no reason to do that. It makes no sense even if you do include the dementia.
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What are the chances that a staffer got kickbacks to "help" out a few of these sorts of people by "asking" Biden to get them a pardon? We all know that judge isn't above it, why wouldn't he go for the gambit? His bribe would be protected by the pardon if he prepays it as well.

AspieNextDoor said:
I nooooooooticed that not a single leftist rag I follow reported on Trump talking about Biden's pardons yet. Not the Guardian, not the NYT, even on Reddit I saw only a single post with only 4k updoots. You would think it would be a pretty big news, but no, not a single peep.

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Takes time to create and maintain a cohesive narrative, lot faster to simply report things that happened.

SaidNoOneEver said:
Reminder: Joe Biden was still President 8 weeks ago. His inability to speak on this matter today would pretty much seal it.
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An interesting angle, but as others have said, I'm betting that the 25th would have to be invoked to properly declare him incapable of ruling, which didn't happen and thus lets them continue, even if he mumbled the authorization after being coached by Jill.
 
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TaimuRadiu said:
Lol, does that mean all of Trump's pardons signed by autopen are no longer valid either?
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As has already been explained many times, the problem is that he wasn’t the one using the autopen; someone else was signing them on his behalf, which he may or may not have even known about. It’s the “forge your mom’s signature on the permission slip” trick.
 
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