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Thank you for the attempt. This is an argument agaisnt tariffs generally. I don't agree with it nor do I think the projection at the end is likely to happen. None of this answered my question. Why is it OK for the world to tariff America but not ok for America to tariff the world. Presumably all of the negatives you've just laid out apply to the other countries that have tariffs on American goods and yet they clearly have tariffs in place. The effects you are talking about have not happened in Europe where you can get the same bottle of French wine for more than a third of the price lower in the states.
What I'm getting at is you have to evaluate the costs and benefits of the approach, tariffs can be a useful tool to level the playing field, but they can also be very destructive if used the wrong way. If you move too quickly, you create disruptions and unnecessary economic hardship when it could be managed more gradually to get to the same place.

Especially since we don't have the infrastructure or resources yet to mitigate the negative effects this will have on US exports as a result of retaliatory measures on such a large scale.

Start with the worst abuses first (China) and those involving hostile nations (again China), and then work down the list.
 
it's obvious that you can see these people like spinning marlboro man do not actually understand economics, and are just pretending to have any knowledge of the situation at all, because the guy was agreeing yesterday that tariffs are just 'worse subsidies'. they literally do not understand the very basic concepts we're discussing in the thread, and they think they do. dunning-kruger is probably at its absolute peak in this thread, across the whole site. people become sudden experts in shit they have NO idea about.


yes, they're obviously much higher but a lot of black crime simply isn't reported at all, especially in bughives like LA, SA, DC, and NYC.
Nigger yesterday you were trying to argue that losing $4000 in gold is somehow better than losing $4000 in stocks because it's heckin physical or something and that somehow makes the $4000 different.
 
they can also be very destructive if used the wrong way.
they can, which is why it's frustrating that you aren't opening your eyes and looking at reality. multiple countries dropped tariffs to 0 IMMEDIATELY. canada came to the negotiation table after saber rattling for a month. multiple countries with already-reciprocal rates won't see increases. this is why people think you guys are dumb. this is literally already happening, and you are simply ignoring the reality of the matter to screech about something that i cannot even fathom anymore. most countries in the world do not have the ability to seriously harm the US with trade like this, which is why countries like mexico and canada back down, arguably some of the most effective at this.

and if you think china doesn't have massive economic barriers to entry for US citizens that aren't present for chinese citizens, you legitimately do not know what it looks like to live in china as laowai.
 
Especially since we don't have the infrastructure or resources yet to mitigate the negative effects this will have on US exports as a result of retaliatory measures on such a large scale.
The necessary infrastructure and resources won't have any incentive to come about without this, however. I don't believe there is a gradual way to go about this, in the end.
 
We both know that was a very intentional attack. If you're such a retard you think that the Israelis couldn't tell that was an American ship you're dumber than an Iranian.
all i know is having read multiple books about it and reading the original documents plus the wider context of the war. The theory that retards like you have is that Israel did it intentionally to bring in the US to fight Egypt but the Egyptian army was already routed by the time the USS liberty was attacked and the Sinai was captured. The Egypt front was done.

have a tiny bit of self awareness and question why you're crying about a US ship getting attacked 58 years ago but are ignoring active attacks on US ships now. The Houthi who's slogan is literally death to America just fired missiles at the USS truman and you're sucking them off.

You said it was Iran lol Now the goalpost has changed and it's proxy groups.
I never said it was iran directly, I said it was iranian sponsored groups. read carefully and try to sound out the words if it's hard to comprehend.

No, I really don't feel bad. They were soldiers on active duty and that's unfortunately part of what happens in that field.
>Israel accidentally kills US soldiers on active duty

cry and bitch 58 years later despite tens of millions of dollars and an apology

>Iranian sponsored proxies who literally have the goal of killing Americans kill US soldiers on active duty and are firing on US ships right now

look it's part of the job, sometimes iran just has to instruct its proxies to kill US soldiers in order to fulfill their national interest

you're a doublethinking thirdworldist nigger
 
they can, which is why it's frustrating that you aren't opening your eyes and looking at reality. multiple countries dropped tariffs to 0 IMMEDIATELY. canada came to the negotiation table after saber rattling for a month. multiple countries with already-reciprocal rates won't see increases. this is why people think you guys are dumb. this is literally already happening, and you are simply ignoring the reality of the matter to screech about something that i cannot even fathom anymore. most countries in the world do not have the ability to seriously harm the US with trade like this, which is why countries like mexico and canada back down, arguably some of the most effective at this.

and if you think china doesn't have massive economic barriers to entry for US citizens that aren't present for chinese citizens, you legitimately do not know what it looks like to live in china as laowai.
Nothing else to really say right now other than we'll have to wait and see.
 
What I'm getting at is you have to evaluate the costs and benefits of the approach, tariffs can be a useful tool but they can also be very destructive if used the wrong way. The US economic and financial systems are set up based upon existing trade and financial structures and it takes time to realign those. If you move too quickly, you create disruptions and unnecessary economic hardship when it could be managed more gradually to get to the same place.
That's fair, and again thank you for answering the question. I would posit that the major reason Trump waited until April second to implement these tariffs despite campaigning on them was precisely to give corporations a bit of time to prepare. He also has said to everyone that there will be an adjustment period so people are prepared for the hurt. His supporters appear to get it.
Especially since we don't have the infrastructure or resources yet to mitigate the negative effects this will have on US exports as a result of retaliatory measures on such a large scale.
If you are at a trade deficit it is not possible for the retaliatory measures to hurt you mathematically. This already happened with China during the first term. We saw it so I'm not sure how this is still a question. If I give you $5 and you give me $10 the moment we stop trading you are automatically in a better financial situation. That is America's trade situation with the world. Stopping all trade necessarily, mathematically can only increase GDP which is the hill the anti tariff people are dying on.
Start with the worst abuses first (China) and those involving hostile nations (again China), and then work down the list.
Or you rip the bandaid off and do the new CEO move and make drastic changes at the start when you have the most momentum. You can disagree with the implementation but people who do things tend to do them and work out the kinks later.
 
Nigger yesterday you were trying to argue that losing $4000 in gold is somehow better than losing $4000 in stocks because it's heckin physical or something and that somehow makes the $4000 different.
i never argued that at all. i argued that if i have 4000 dollars worth of bullets, i can still shoot the bullets. if i have 4000 dollars worth of food, i can still eat the food.

you were the ones who brought up physical objects being the same as stocks, i just pointed out how retarded that was, and if you go back and look, you can see that people do not agree with you at all. you are clearly a retard with retarded opinions who does not understand even the most basic concepts of reality like 'things have more value than just monetary when they are physical.' you cannot make this argument. you are incapable. please continue, because i can call you a retard who doesn't understand tariffs and the effect they have on poor people all day, while also laughing at you because you get to watch number go down.

what's your use for the 4,000 dollars you purchase in stocks if the value drops to 1 dollar? can you shoot a person trying to come into your home with it? can you eat it? can you go to another physical location that has a scarcity of that stock and offer it at a lower rate to the people there to purchase? no, you can't. and that's one of the major differences between physical commodities, and fake digital bullshit that doesn't actually exist. there is nothing for you to gain from continuing this retarded tyrade against common sense. please, please stop shitting up the thread because you've bricked your diaper about the S&P.

speaking of which...
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wasn't this only supposed to hurt america? weren't all the other countries in the world supposed to be totally insulated from any consequences, and all this will do is hurt poor americans, who you don't actually give a fuck about because you've attempted to make fun of me for being poor this entire time?

you don't know what you're talking about, nigger.
 
while everyone was busy with the Tariff's another Dem judge of out San Francisco stopped Noem's order stripping 600K of Biden's imported Venezuelans of their temporary protected status.

He's ordered a stay on any attempts to deport them because "her actions were unauthorized, unreasonable and capricious and based on a negative sterotype" Wow, nice going there judge calling the Sec of Homeland basicly a racists who is crazy.

So this judge is basically saying he knows better then the duly appointed Sectary of Homeland Security. So once against a Dem judge is placing himself above the executive by saying he knows what better.

And of course it's another TRO so any moves to changes the protected status or deport these obviously great citizens of Venezuela is now on hold wile the DoJ fights yet another Democrat Judge trying to keep illegal aliens and criminals in the US.

That's around 600,000 Venezuelans brought in by Biden in 2022 btw. The judge's order protects each and everyone of them.

The judge, an appointee of Democratic President Barack Obama, also said both Noem and Trump had made discriminatory public statements about Venezuelan TPS holders by implying they were criminals and posed a financial burden.
"Generalization of criminality to the Venezuelan TPS population as a whole is baseless and smacks of racism predicated on generalized false stereotypes," Chen wrote, adding that Venezuelan TPS holders were more likely to hold bachelor's degrees than U.S. citizens and less likely to commit crimes than the general U.S. population. Noem's actions smack of racism and discrimination towards a class of people.



https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ju...portation-protections-venezuelans-2025-03-31/
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ju...portation-protections-venezuelans-2025-03-31/
https://archive.ph/buogV

Judge blocks Trump administration from stripping deportation protections for Venezuelans​

By Luc Cohen

March 31 (Reuters) - A U.S. judge on Monday blocked the Trump administration from stripping deportation protections for some Venezuelan immigrants, writing that officials' characterization of the migrants as criminals "smacks of racism."

In a case brought by the National TPS Alliance, a group that advocates for immigrants, U.S. District Judge Edward Chen in San Francisco paused Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem's decision to remove temporary protected status from hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans.

The Department of Homeland Security did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Ahilan Arulanantham, a lawyer for National TPS Alliance, said in a statement, "The Court’s decision provides a crucial protection against mass deportations for a population that this administration has singled out for extreme vilification."

TPS is available to people whose home country has experienced a natural disaster, armed conflict or other extraordinary event.

In 2021, then-President Joe Biden's administration first granted TPS to Venezuelans, citing high levels of crime in Venezuela related to political and economic instability under President Nicolas Maduro.

Some 600,000 Venezuelans in the U.S. have TPS, and Monday's ruling protected about 348,000 of them from deportation.

The move to end TPS for Venezuelans was part of Republican President Donald Trump's broader campaign to crack down on immigration and humanitarian programs he says go beyond the intent of U.S. law.

Noem on Feb. 3 said TPS protections for Venezuelans were contrary to U.S. interests and no longer justified by conditions in Venezuela.

In his ruling, Chen wrote that the State Department still categorizes Venezuela as a "Level 4: Do Not Travel" country due to the risk of wrongful detention, crime and poor health infrastructure.

The judge, an appointee of Democratic President Barack Obama, also said both Noem and Trump had made discriminatory public statements about Venezuelan TPS holders by implying they were criminals and posed a financial burden.

"Generalization of criminality to the Venezuelan TPS population as a whole is baseless and smacks of racism predicated on generalized false stereotypes," Chen wrote, adding that Venezuelan TPS holders were more likely to hold bachelor's degrees than U.S. citizens and less likely to commit crimes than the general U.S. population.

On Tuesday, a federal judge in Boston is due to hear arguments in a separate case brought by immigrant rights groups challenging the Trump administration's moves to strip TPS from Venezuelans and Haitians.

Learn to archive, faggot.
 
I knew what it was before I clicked it. I think that says a lot about me and I don't know if it's a good or bad thing! Maybe Looney Tunes is just in my blood?

Anyway, good afternoon USPG2! Things have been getting really Autistic Thunderdome in here the past few days. Keep it up everyone! We should invest in American made splatter shields for all the blood! Look, look, I think I just saw a tooth fly by! Really good energy in here. Really good energy. The best energy.
 
New video dropped by OMG. James Welch is caught on camera "telling researchers to Change 'Race' to Ancestry," in an alleged attempt to circumvent internal, algorithmic filtering of research papers. These people really have gone to war with the US Government, isn't there a word for when the government starts to fight itself? It's like a governmental/political fratricide.

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Inflation is normal. Prices going up like they did in 2022 and will in the next few months isn't. You retards blamed Biden when prices went up but now when prices go up under Trump you suddenly love paying higher prices.


I would stop defaulting to pointing out how you want to have gay sex with fatty if you'd stop defending and worshipping everything he does. You retards were throwing tantrums about inflation in 2022 yet now you suddenly say inflation is good thing when fatty does it. It's obviously that you're madly in love with him or else you wouldn't blindly defend everything he does even when it fucks you over.


You are retarded, even for a guy who wants an obese, elderly, senile conman to penetrate him, if you really believe this
You seem awfully obsessed with gay sex, is that why you like pro wrestling? Do you get aroused watching big men grope eachother?
 
New video dropped by OMG. James Welch is caught on camera "telling researchers to Change 'Race' to Ancestry," in an alleged attempt to circumvent internal, algorithmic filtering of research papers. These people really have gone to war with the US Government, isn't there a word for when the government starts to fight itself? It's like a governmental/political fratricide.

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The parasites are trying to change chase in order to avoid being purged.
 
you're a moron and there's no helping you. you cannot conceive that physical items have a value beyond the monetary for some reason. do you think people stockpile ammo and canned food to sell them? no, of course not, they stockpile it to have it ready in case of them needing to use it.
You think a stock's only value is monetary?
my point was and continues to be that it is retarded to compare physical commodities which have value other than money to stock trading, which is always done to avoid the direct analogy to gambling,
this is a fundamental misunderstanding of the stock market. You put money into the system to purchase partial ownership of publicly traded companies. If you are buying stock to speculate, that is your choice but it is not the purpose of the stock market. Stock also has a value beyond just the monetary, and that is because owning shares of a company give you voting power and the ability to speak at board meetings.

which is you put money into a system that may or may not give you a return, and you hope.
Only retards jump into the market without heavy research into their investment. You shouldn't be "hoping" and uncertainty is part of life.

that's why it's supposed to be illegal for lawmakers to trade stocks, because they can sell on things they know are about to get fucked, or influence their own stock holdings to benefit themselves through legislation, but all that shows you that it's gambling. they're supposed to be not allowed to rig the casino, even though pelosi is proof they do it anyway.
It has never been illegal for lawmakers to trade stocks to my knowledge, although I agree it should be the law.
don't gamble if you can't afford to lose.
I agree with this.
 
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