Undertale

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Big Shot said:
He's been sperging out more and more on Bluesky for the past few months
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Sperging out? What about?
Tinnitus said:
Kris doesn't like the player.

Spamton's speech about still being a puppet locked down by strings is applicable to Kris as well, being forced to say things he doesn't mean comes out as stilted whereas saying what he wants has him yell.

There are more instances where he refuses to do what the player wants such as playing the piano (he can play well but whilst controlled he will play shit) and closing his eyes when we choose to peek in Asriel's internet history.

Removing his SOUL and cutscenes where the player cannot control him is Kris doing anything to get rid of us.
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Thank you for the explanation. I was mostly joking about that last part and though it's wrong, I'll give it a little bit of defense to the idea.
He might hate the player, but if the player's getting him all the friends that he himself couldn't, he may keep them around until some undisclosed future point to permanently remove them, losing sight that he needed the player to make friends because he's really unlikable. The most evidence I could think of is that he smiles during the snowgrave route while Noelle is distressed.
Main issue with this theory is that there's nothing that indicates he was bad to others beforehand, he's friends with Noelle before the game starts and with several people in the town. A possible explanation for the friendly interactions with the town could be that Asriel did all the introductions for him and Kris' not that sociable outside of the player's possession. Maybe the families are close which is why he gets along with Noelle, even if he's an asshole, they go way back.

I thought of this from the idea that the game Toby said had a similar idea to what he wanted for Deltarune was actually YIIK. It probably wasn't though.

There's enough hints in-game that I won't deny he tries to go against the player's control, but doesn't he play the piano badly because it's missing several keys?
 
Tinnitus said:
ris doesn't like the player.

Spamton's speech about still being a puppet locked down by strings is applicable to Kris as well, being forced to say things he doesn't mean comes out as stilted whereas saying what he wants has him yell.

There are more instances where he refuses to do what the player wants such as playing the piano (he can play well but whilst controlled he will play shit) and closing his eyes when we choose to peek in Asriel's internet history.
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Asriel also sends the player' point of view again so that he can talk to Kris without the player's knowledge. Jeez, now I wonder if I should bother playing the first two episodes again, or try loading my old save.
 
Colon capital V said:
>June release
FFS, just put me in a coma until then
EDIT: Yup, same day as coming onto all the other platforms too.
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>an actual unironic "I'm trans btw" post no one asked for.
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Deltatrannies, what is this shit? Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeg
 
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Furfags have simply ruined the game for me and I can't even bring myself to attempt to play the sequel. Plus the trope of "fighter game but le actually make peace" is overused at this point. I think the only other similar game that even partially piqued my interest was Everhood, mainly because it turned the premise of Undertale on its head.
 
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Vygode said:
Furfags have simply ruined the game for me and I can't even bring myself to attempt to play the sequel. Plus the trope of "fighter game but le actually make peace" is overused at this point. I think the only other similar game that even partially piqued my interest was Everhood, mainly because it turned the premise of Undertale on its head.
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Don't play Everhood 2 btw
 
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The implication I was getting was that Kris was a troubled kid who did some mean pranks but is otherwise not really evil, which I think falls in line with the Chara characterization. A lot of fans think Chara was some kind of horrifying demon BEFORE the player takes control but that's not really true given what we see in the game.

Kris is certainly at odds with the player but I imagine anybody would be freaked out by not being in direct control of their actions a majority of the time.
 
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Didn't Chara try to poison his adoptive father and later go into a literal rampage to kill off as many people as he could? Granted, it's implied they were people who exiled/abused him, but guy was willing to kill off a town and maybe more, plus poisoning his father for the lulz. Dude was a psycho thoroughly. Maybe not a mass murderer from the start, but he was never good.
 
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Newcomer 42 said:
Didn't Chara try to poison his adoptive father and later go into a literal rampage to kill off as many people as he could?
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I think that first incident was an accident. They both mistook butterscotch for buttercups which made Asgore sick, but that gave Chara the idea for the plan. Not directly related, but it also implies things poisonous to humans are also poisonous to monsters.
Newcomer 42 said:
Maybe not a mass murderer from the start, but he was never good.
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Asriel does state that Chara wasn't the best person, but that doesn't mean he was a bad person, just flawed. The plan could also be seen as wanting to help his new family however he could, despite the obvious manipulation he used to make Asriel go along with it.

Flowey isn't actually Asriel, is he? The whole garden and all of the flowers were covered in Asriel's essence and, presumably, if any other flower were chosen to be injected with the massive amounts of determination Flowey was, it would have also become Flowey, right? Therefore, Flowey may have his memories, but he's not actually Asriel. Considering that Asriel died infused with Chara's soul, couldn't that mean Flowey has a combination of both's personalities and memories?
 
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Newcomer 42 said:
Didn't Chara try to poison his adoptive father and later go into a literal rampage to kill off as many people as he could? Granted, it's implied they were people who exiled/abused him, but guy was willing to kill off a town and maybe more, plus poisoning his father for the lulz. Dude was a psycho thoroughly. Maybe not a mass murderer from the start, but he was never good.
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When is it implied that the town exiled/abused him? It even says the town attacked Asriel because they thought he killed Chara. I think Chara was just a psycho.
GratsTheat783 said:
Flowey isn't actually Asriel, is he? The whole garden and all of the flowers were covered in Asriel's essence and, presumably, if any other flower were chosen to be injected with the massive amounts of determination Flowey was, it would have also become Flowey, right? Therefore, Flowey may have his memories, but he's not actually Asriel. Considering that Asriel died infused with Chara's soul, couldn't that mean Flowey has a combination of both's personalities and memories?
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Determination was injected into a single flower, and we can (probably) assume that the flower absorbed the essence from the surrounding flowers.
 
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GratsTheat783 said:
I think that first incident was an accident. They both mistook butterscotch for buttercups which made Asgore sick, but that gave Chara the idea for the plan. Not directly related, but it also implies things poisonous to humans are also poisonous to monsters.
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I swear it was intentional. Considering he kills Flowey in the bad route, he was a psycho from day 0.
GratsTheat783 said:
Asriel does state that Chara wasn't the best person, but that doesn't mean he was a bad person, just flawed. The plan could also be seen as wanting to help his new family however he could, despite the obvious manipulation he used to make Asriel go along with it.
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Chara states in the bad ending how power is all that matters and destroys the world, so perhaps his plan was to "kill everyone" and got worse from there. I didn't like how in Utale your character is a Schrodinger blob that's Frisk OR Chara at the same time, depending on the ending, which contradicts the ending of Frisk not being Chara, barring ghostly possesion.

Two Dollars said:
When is it implied that the town exiled/abused him? It even says the town attacked Asriel because they thought he killed Chara. I think Chara was just a psycho.
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True that, but Chara still tried to kill these humans for some reason, right? It was his plan from the start. Probably by abuse or exile, I don't remember if anything was ever said, or if he was evil for the lulz.
 
I really don't understand the Kêra ending, and honestly I think Tobias Fucks put it as an afterthought, just to scare children. The guy doesn't treat his IP seriously, so why would I?

As much as you two are willing to find an answer, I find commendable, but I guess I missed how important this is to the greater "overall story".
 
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Newcomer 42 said:
Chara states in the bad ending how power is all that matters and destroys the world, so perhaps his plan was to "kill everyone" and got worse from there. I didn't like how in Utale your character is a Schrodinger blob that's Frisk OR Chara at the same time, depending on the ending, which contradicts the ending of Frisk not being Chara, barring ghostly possesion.
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There's a popular theory that states Chara is the narrator throughout the game and it's explanation for the genocide ending is that while Chara may have had some inclinations toward that idea, it's the player's actions during the run are what make him fully embrace it. It was popular for a while in the fanbase, though I think it's largely because fan-comics latched onto it, replacing the former idea of Chara being an edgy ghost.
There were a few fan comics that would contradict themselves later on in order to latch onto what's popular in the fanbase like Ask Frisk and Co. It's bad by the way, Frisk has comedically abusive parents (burns his pokemon card collection which makes him run up the mountain) and he has a sister who freaks out because people don't use they/them pronouns when talking about Frisk, it got a slight boost in popularity early on due to a comic strip where they wrote a parody of all-star while Sans fights Chara.
Outer Space Traveller said:
I really don't understand the Kêra ending, and honestly I think Tobias Fucks put it as an afterthought, just to scare children. The guy doesn't treat his IP seriously, so why would I?
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Why don't you think Toby treats his IP seriously?
 
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