General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[Scarthew]

I think that's the level at which they are allowed to say. I don't think they're allowed to say how upset they are with how management is behaving, yes. I believe that is the maximum allowed, and it's telling that they all have said it now.

So you think that it's a statement management told them to say...

 

[CyrusHowler]

Mori is calling out "hololive is over" posters and saying they try to blend in as regular fans, but you should check their accounts and call them out. You can spot them. BASED

Hopefully it’s people who are ACTUALLY looking for Hololive to shut down AKA Nijisimps and not people who are genuinely wondering what’s going on and actually care about the wellbeing of the talent.

Cuz if it’s the latter then she can fuck right off and go make one of her shitty “I rap fast and switch languages to hide the fact that my bars are weak or nonexistent” raps.

And it's just a cope when they've all said they like doing idol things.

Liking doing idol things =/= Liking idol culture.

Jesus Christ.


“Does not compute.
Does not compute.
Running program: ‘Tourist.’ “

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[6MillionCoofs]

Exactly. I think it will, at the very least, be a factor in whether or not indies decide to audition for corps.
I don't think that every indie is just biding their time until they get signed, mind you, but when Hololive is hemorrhaging talents, it's definitely time to take pause and reconsider if it's worth it in the long run to become a corpo.

The answer is no. Most people don’t need or have the stamina for corpo.

And you’ve never needed it. Practically all of the Grads were VTubing before holo anyways.

If you are joining a corpo now it is so you can get a big enough audiance to be comfortable when you quit.

 

[Burnt Fish]

Look, if you wanna believe that everything is perfectly fine at Cover despite a year of MASSIVE talents leaving, then you can live in that delusional world. Again, my entire point in reiterating this is because I hope that as a result, something is going to change for the folks still left. I like many people at Cover, and I don't want to see anyone else leave due to "disagreements with management".

I like the part where you said I live in a delusional world and then went on to say your reason for posting this on kiwifarms is because you want the situation at a japanese company to improve (something posting anything here on the farms will never in a million years have an impact on)

I'm just glad ID is too weird and wild to be hemmed in. Mashallah for SEA girl failures.

Remember back in the day when Moona got suspended or took a hiatus because she pissed off the muslims by tweeting this.

 

[The Strongest Haaton]

Hopefully it’s people who are ACTUALLY looking for Hololive to shut down AKA Nijisimps and not people who are genuinely wondering what’s going on and actually care about the wellbeing of the talent.

Cuz if it’s the latter then she can fuck right off and go make one of her shitty “I rap fast and switch languages to hide the fact that my bars are weak or nonexistent” raps.

Liking doing idol things =/= Liking idol culture.

Jesus Christ.


“Does not compute.
Does not compute.
Running program: ‘Tourist.’ “

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Dude, are you having like an actual meltdown? This is gold.

 

[CyrusHowler]

I like the part where you said I live in a delusional world and then went on to say your reason for posting this on kiwifarms is because you want the situation at a japanese company to improve (something posting anything here on the farms will never in a million years have an impact on)

How retarded do you have to be to read what he said and come to that conclusion?

Yagoo ain’t gonna let you sniff Nerissa’s feet bro. I’m sorry, I know that’s your dream…But it ain’t happening.

 

[Forte]

So you think that it's a statement management told them to say...

I know reading comprehention is hard, but there's a difference between "This is what management told them to say as a boilerplate reason for leaving so we don't have to do into details" and "This is the maximum we are allowing you to say about the anger you have towards us and how much our screwups caused you to want to leave".

I like the part where you said I live in a delusional world and then went on to say your reason for posting this on kiwifarms is because you want the situation at a japanese company to improve (something posting anything here on the farms will never in a million years have an impact on)

I should have said "My reason for feeling this way". I am well aware Cover ain't reading shit here.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

What the hell is going on at Cover!? Losing 5 and now about to be 6 talents in less than a year.

In fairness, they’ve a lot of talents that have been doing it for years.

2024/2025 was going to be the time a lot of people started quitting, especially with Covid fully dealt with.

 

[CyrusHowler]

Dude, are you having like an actual meltdown? This is gold.

You know darned well I’m not.

I know reading comprehension is hard, but there's a difference between "This is what management told them to say as a boilerplate reason for leaving so we don't have to do into details" and "This is the maximum we are allowing you to say about the anger you have towards us and how much our screwups caused you to want to leave".

You’ll have to use smaller words.
They got to “Comprehension” and the two synapses they rub together in their mush brains overheated.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

A-Chan was the glue that held them together. A halfway decent management.

People really underestimate how crucial one good manager is to smooth shit over with top brass. If not for the talents than for the mangers that deal with those talents.

I’ve never got the indication the Talents hated their managers but what happens if Talent has issue and management comes back and says ‘higher ups won’t let me fix it’?

 

[Not With]

I don't know if it's been mentioned in here but it looks like 8chan's vyt board is incorporating a containment doxx thread. Lot of people are upset lol. I don't think it's official yet but the admin is discussing it in meta. They just implemented ID's too. I guess some people are excited thinking this will suppress "anti's" and "schizo's" but really I think this will only serve to showcase how utterly pathetic and consumed these users are with their oshi's.

 

[Fcret]

I don't think there's any contradiction between, "I want to sing and dance and do idol shit" and "I disagree with the idol direction Cover is pushing us in." There's a very specific type of character and musical style Cover wants to push and I think a lot of talents don't want to do it even if they're okay with singing and dancing and shit.

Just think about all the off-hand remarks about projects being torpedoed halfway through completion. Imagine some Japnigger tells you you need to grind harder so you grind out something and then halfway through he kills it and tells you again that you need to grind harder. I think some flavor of that might be going on - expectations of output while the entire organization is setup to stymie output.

 

[Town Drunk]

FWMC cannot replace Gura by themselves. Gura had a very specific power that few of the other talents can really claim - mass normie recognition. In the English-speaking world, she's almost the face of vtubing itself.

FWMC just doesn't have the same kind of raw brand recognition. The idea of Cover going all in on a couple of EN talents because they make the JPs feel good even to the detriment of their actual talents who have more appeal in the English-speaking market seems so retarded that it's definitely the sort of thing an out-of-touch Japanese entertainment company would do.

I'm just glad ID is too weird and wild to be hemmed in. Mashallah for SEA girl failures.

Gura was an amazing diamond in the rough. Incredible singing voice, gift of gab, she made the most of her scuffed debut, to the point that it became a meme. I won't say the all age model didn't help, nor is to say Fumoco suck, but they can't compare IMO.

But even if Fumoco surpass her in poplurarity, if Cover finds a new front runner, overworking them, and shooting them to the top will take it's toll.

Same old cycle. Burnout, lack of content, graduation.

 

[The Strongest Haaton]

I don't think there's any contradiction between, "I want to sing and dance and do idol shit" and "I disagree with the idol direction Cover is pushing us in."

The thing is that they've never actually discussed the type of direction. "Idol direction" or not. It could be something completely different. We're all reading the tea leafs here. And typically people who say it's the "idol direction" are usually not complaining about the specifics of Cover's direction, but the very idea of idols themselves. Those types are the snakes who deserve to be called out.

 

[Burnt Fish]

I don't think there's any contradiction between, "I want to sing and dance and do idol shit" and "I disagree with the idol direction Cover is pushing us in." There's a very specific type of character and musical style Cover wants to push and I think a lot of talents don't want to do it even if they're okay with singing and dancing and shit.

Just think about all the off-hand remarks about projects being torpedoed halfway through completion. Imagine some Japnigger tells you you need to grind harder so you grind out something and then halfway through he kills it and tells you again that you need to grind harder. I think some flavor of that might be going on - expectations of output while the entire organization is setup to stymie output.

my impressions of the musical management side of things was always more that just some level of beurocratic ineptitude would trip some projects up. Someone didn't send out the email to secure permission on something which only gets communicated partway through the project and scuttles it, never gotten much in the way of cover pushing for a "type" of music or anything as that seems pretty varied through the company.

Even projects the company isn't directly wanting to push they still allow the talents to do if they want, Mori recently talking about a unit project similar to Suisei's hoshimatic project that she had wanted to do, and she was given the okay for it but it being left as a project she had to manage on her own, and then management later coming back and saying "actually no we can help you with this" and helping her out.

 

[Tactical Wizard]

I don't care what kind of viewer someone is, but who the fuck who watches a vtuber would WANT this? Not just tolerate it, but WANT it? Who the fuck would ever ask for this? I will never understand people who watch that stuff.

Hello! As our resident Dizzy Dokuro enjoyer, I would throw my hands up in joy if, one day, she was all like "Chat? I've got a boyfriend.. We'll be doing an off-collab next week." Solely because I want her to be happy and less menhera.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

It’s almost like turning sick introverts into stars and burning them out will make them quit eventually.

 

[LatentNinja]

I wonder how much of an influence Gura's impending graduation had on the others who graduated.

It's nice to hear Mori say that she plans on staying with Hololive to the end. Like other people here have said, she's found massive success with Hololive, and it's not like there's ever been any sign that she wasn't happy working with them.

Still, right now, it's nice to hear her say it.

I'm pretty sure Mori said at least once she did almost graduate. I forget when she said it/was considering it though. Someone would have to check me on that if they can remember. So it's not like people having the consideration is unheard of. Keep in mind we've also had stories like Raden who almost quit before Re:Gloss even hit 3D. Ina is still a maybe and truth be told I didn't think she would stick to it after dealing with that visa shitshow as it is. Not counting for OLD stories like Miko and Suisei.
But nobody ever cares about any of that stuff because you can't drama over it. Most people who watch Holo have already known for years at least SOME of management was a dumpster. Omega was even a thing for example.
Yet you can have Kiara talk about how much they suck in various ways for years and get entirely ignored beause One should always ignore orange woman, BAD she says it isn't actually THAT bad but that everyone has their own issues. Even shortly after Mumei's announcement she stated how disappointed she was in management blowing off her requests for more HoloTori things. (Might have been something someone noted her saying from a Members, I can't recall)


Anyone who actually watches these people KNOW there's issues on and off with management. Some have been swapped, some have gone mia with no elaboration. But people also like to ignore situations like Shiori's manager who basically seems to be her BFF who does a bunch of shit for her. She had a moment on one of Bijou's MonHun streams where she was trying to setup the Bloodtyping collab but that her manager was "making her" take a day off before Bijou pointed out she was streaming. Different people deal with different management shit. Granted I guess the current narrative would be that she probably did that on purpose or something.

"x with management" literally means anything and nothing. And nobody outside the talents and company has the slightest clue what, which is why I still don't see a point in dooming on it. Yes, you can infer that there's something they disagreed about that made them choose to leave. It could be all kinds of shit from either side of the issue.
Money, freedom, perms, content, sponsors, merch, travel. Most of which could be argued about from the talent or the company. You can like someone all you want or they can be the absolute full on face of product, but that doesn't mean a company is going to bend over backwards to please them. Especially not a Japanese one with their autism. You don't have to agree it's a smart move from the company either. Businesses do stupid shit all the time.

Saying "That's not a good reason to assume it's all on fire" isn't the same as claiming everything is perfect. It's just a matter of nobody actually knows and without info to back up your sperging that's all it is. X number of people and one phrase isn't informational, it's an odd number of people that makes you go "That's weird, maybe you should consider fixing some stuff" and overthink a phrase that gives you no info. Which is also the same case otherwise. I don't know if anything is being done to make things better because other than the Tea party stuff, we have literally nothing to go on there either.

 

[CyrusHowler]

I should have said "My reason for feeling this way". I am well aware Cover ain't reading shit here.

Normal people understood what you meant. Morons didn’t.

but really I think this will only serve to showcase how utterly pathetic and consumed these users are with their oshi's.

Seeing that superchat to Amelia talking about how he’d kill himself if Gura doesn’t come back disturbed me in a physical way. Like my body actually had a full on negative reaction to it.

I don't think there's any contradiction between, "I want to sing and dance and do idol shit" and "I disagree with the idol direction Cover is pushing us in."

Bingo.

There's a very specific type of character and musical style Cover wants to push and I think a lot of talents don't want to do it even if they're okay with singing and dancing and shit.

I’ve been saying this for a long long time.
Cover wants those old school type idols.

Imagine some Japnigger tells you you need to grind harder so you grind out something and then halfway through he kills it and tells you again that you need to grind harder.

No wonder they stick to women and half SoyBoys for their talents. Imagine being a big strapping Gaijin and some little scrawny Japanese man comes up and starts yelling at you for not doing a good enough job when you’re busting your ass. You’d wanna tear him apart and you’d be able to as most cops over there don’t even have guns so you could go on a mass killing spree with your bare hands by the time the cops with guns show up.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Right. Buying second hisnd Dino Gura before they all go.