AI Art Seething General

[femboy fart huffer]

Ah, I see, you are a refugee.

I want to abolish copyright laws so that I can post my Israeli BBC sissy hypno porn on the NZ ornithology website without the artist being able to complain.

 

[weirdMcGee]

The Copyright Holders and Artists are super pissed about Elon and Jack supporting a Public Domain world for AI Art. Basically, kill off IP protections and start all over again. There is some pushback, but there could be a time where AI will not be censored due to Copyright.

Aren't these the same folks mad that nintendo won't let them make fangames of their ips but turn around and cry wolf over aibros wanting to get rid of copyright, a literal net good? Not completely, protections should be in place to prevent misuse of a person's personal ip but having companies sitting over unused titles and never doing much with it is never a good thing.

 

[Overpriced Gaming Chair]

Aren't these the same folks mad that nintendo won't let them make fangames of their ips but turn around and cry wolf over aibros wanting to get rid of copyright, a literal net good? Not completely, protections should be in place to prevent misuse of a person's personal ip but having companies sitting over unused titles and never doing much with it is never a good thing.

Some people have zero principles. When they take a stance at anything, they make a situational calculation based on things like "my side or their side?" and "how does this look like through the lens of [CURRENT THING]?"

One example is the Trump assassination attempt. (Presumably) same people who had for years touted that there is no 'Cancel Culture', only 'Consequence Culture' start to get pushback for publicly hoping a presidential candidate was killed, and suddenly became Free Speech absolutists.

 

[linchan]

Some people have zero principles. When they take a stance at anything, they make a situational calculation based on things like "my side or their side?" and "how does this look like through the lens of [CURRENT THING]?"

One example is the Trump assassination attempt. (Presumably) same people who had for years touted that there is no 'Cancel Culture', only 'Consequence Culture' start to get pushback for publicly hoping a presidential candidate was killed, and suddenly became Free Speech absolutists.

These people are "Do Gay Be Crimes", but get upset when said crime is piracy and plagiarism and not terrorism and shoplifting.

 

[aaaaaaaa245]

A vast majority of creative works in history does not register its copyright or execute its copyright at all. In fact, it's quite the opposite; creative work seems to pop up a lot more often in spaces where there are very loose enforcement of copyright.

I cannot fathom how a law made to essentially legally enforce a monopoly is somehow going to prevent a monopoly.

The vast majority of creative works that aren't copyrighted are works that where either never shared, on or offline, or where just a few one off's someone posted on to social media/website with no grander plans. People will absolutely still be creative; creativity is something inherent to humanity, but people will absolutely stop putting anything worth it's weight in salt out into the wild if any megacorporation can scoop it up and produce slop off the idea.

This is a problem you see over at the big two capeshit producers, Marvel and DC. Any person that comes into to work at those companies owns absolutely nothing; you make a new character, work on them for years, you'll see absolutely no royalties and residual payments unless you get a exclusivity contract going. The shit you drew/wrote could literally be used panel for panel/word for word in a next big capeshit movie and you'll absolutely no money, not even a worthy mention in the credits. This is one of the biggest reason why Marvel and DC can only hire mongrel retards with absolutely no writing skills, often times with no credited past works and can never find any new good artists besides some fanboys who really want to draw their favorite hero; you won't own anything you make and no one wants to work for peanuts and see giant companies make millions off their work.

People seething about AI all day are fucking stupid, usually talentless mongoloids, but the whole purpose of IP laws is so that people, not just artists, that are able to create/invent novel works are protected from greedy, lazy scamming fucks and incentivize them to continue creating because they'll be paid what their worth.

 

[John Helldiver]

People seething about AI all day are fucking stupid, usually talentless mongoloids, but the whole purpose of IP laws is so that people, not just artists, that are able to create/invent novel works are protected from greedy, lazy scamming fucks and incentivize them to continue creating because they'll be paid what their worth.

you cant actually get this through to an idiot who doesn't know that someone can steal and profit your IP, they'll say shit like "doing it for the love of the game", and never consider if it might feel bad to make something and then watch it be stolen and sloppified and you can do NOTHING about it.

 

[aaaaaaaa245]

you cant actually get this through to an idiot who doesn't know that someone can steal and profit your IP, they'll say shit like "doing it for the love of the game", and never consider if it might feel bad to make something and then watch it be stolen and sloppified and you can do NOTHING about it.

Half way into typing my response I realized that anyone who would argue against IP laws when it comes to creative works probably has never made any creative work in their life and definitely thinks that kind of stuff is incredibly easy to make, not understanding that ideas are often times workshopped for years before the public see's it.

 

[John Helldiver]

Half way into typing my response I realized that anyone who would argue against IP laws when it comes to creative works probably has never made any creative work in their life and definitely thinks that kind of stuff is incredibly easy to make, not understanding that ideas are often times workshopped for years before the public see's it.

really its a "debate" between someone who's never even tried it and those who know what's actually going on here.
you can't explain to someone that it's like watching your only child be raped, that it triggers the same response in the artist's mind as raising a child, that it's something so innately human you just have to try it to understand it, that, simply, not everyone is capable of doing it. and that's alright.

i can go on and on about this stuff, about how it feels to do it, about how it's not done because i want to, but because i just *need* to do it, but they don't get it, they're incapable of that definitional empathy where you just get someone's angle without plagueing it with your own views. They don't understand just how difficult and taxing it is on the soul, just how hard it is to do, let alone do right. They don't understand that an artist must be free of self, but not lose that self.

Plus it's people actively sabotaging a good thing for fucking what? the megaslopfactory corporations?

 

[John Helldiver]

really its a "debate" between someone who's never even tried it and those who know what's actually going on here.
you can't explain to someone that it's like watching your only child be raped, that it triggers the same response in the artist's mind as raising a child, that it's something so innately human you just have to try it to understand it, that, simply, not everyone is capable of doing it. and that's alright.

i can go on and on about this stuff, about how it feels to do it, about how it's not done because i want to, but because i just *need* to do it, but they don't get it, they're incapable of that definitional empathy where you just get someone's angle without plagueing it with your own views. They don't understand just how difficult and taxing it is on the soul, just how hard it is to do, let alone do right. They don't understand that an artist must be free of self, but not lose that self.

Plus it's people actively sabotaging a good thing for fucking what? the megaslopfactory corporations?

Just to add to the thought:
if you don't get it, maybe consider shutting up.
you might thing me and ones like me are "pretentious fags" or whatever. know that without us you don't get your fun, it's like replacing seasoned architects with jeets, "oh the building is still there" and it's shoddy, not even designed well and will fall within a week.
Do you want the whole world to be so... empty? do you really want what you love to be gone? what puts a smile on your face to not exist?

 

[aaaaaaaa245]

Just to add to the thought:
if you don't get it, maybe consider shutting up.
you might thing me and ones like me are "pretentious fags" or whatever. know that without us you don't get your fun, it's like replacing seasoned architects with jeets, "oh the building is still there" and it's shoddy, not even designed well and will fall within a week.
Do you want the whole world to be so... empty? do you really want what you love to be gone? what puts a smile on your face to not exist?

I don't think it's that deep with guys like this, its just seems like a pavlovian response to fundamentally disagree with whatever twitter/bluskye faggots have to say on hot button issues without considering the nuance of the issue.

 

[linchan]

This is a problem you see over at the big two capeshit producers, Marvel and DC. Any person that comes into to work at those companies owns absolutely nothing; you make a new character, work on them for years, you'll see absolutely no royalties and residual payments unless you get a exclusivity contract going.

That's because they sign off their own right to publish and distribute the comic books to the company. The copyright goes to the comic book company retains the exclusivity while the artist is only hired for labor, who they can be replaced at any time. The artists do not have the right to sell their own works of labor because they signed off their rights. Meanwhile, people are not allowed to independantly profit or expand from the IP's of these companies with their resources and labor without being legally threatened by them.

This problem literally exists because Marvel and DC has the exclusive legal right to do this in thanks to copyright laws.

I don't know how you can look at both Marvel and DC, who are one of the biggest IP holders on the planet who profit primarily off of licensing their characters, their dog shit quality over time and not think the example you gave is a negative effect of IP law.

 

[John Helldiver]

That's because they sign off their own right to publish and distribute the comic books to the company. The copyright goes to the comic book company retains the exclusivity while the artist is only hired for labor, who they can be replaced at any time. The artists do not have the right to sell their own works of labor because they signed off their rights. Meanwhile, people are not allowed to independantly profit or expand from the IP's of these companies with their resources and labor without being legally threatened by them.

This problem literally exists because Marvel and DC has the exclusive legal right to do this in thanks to copyright laws.

I don't know how you can look at both Marvel and DC, who are one of the biggest IP holders on the planet who profit primarily off of licensing their characters, their dog shit quality over time and not think the example you gave is a negative effect of IP law.

i sincerely hope you get your nightmare world

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

X vs BlueSky

https://twitter.com/javilopen/status/1907924561997476009

https://nitter.poast.org/javilopen/status/1907924561997476009

https://archive.ph/hABYm

https://bsky.app/profile/ketrindarkdragon.bsky.social/post/3lmfrnchpy22c

https://archive.ph/l3Y5u

 

[aaaaaaaa245]

I don't know how you can look at both Marvel and DC, who are one of the biggest IP holders on the planet who profit primarily off of licensing their characters, their dog shit quality over time and not think the example you gave is a negative effect of IP law.

So you think getting rid of Intellectual Property laws will some how usher in this new age of creativity and not some chinkkike-esk world where companies are constantly pumping out slop content for whatever is popular?

That's because they sign off their own right to publish and distribute the comic books to the company. The copyright goes to the comic book company retains the exclusivity while the artist is only hired for labor, who they can be replaced at any time. The artists do not have the right to sell their own works of labor because they signed off their rights. Meanwhile, people are not allowed to independantly profit or expand from the IP's of these companies with their resources and labor without being legally threatened by them.

These IPs wouldn't exist in the first place if other people are allowed to take it and make money with it dipshit. Imagine, a random guy on the internet is putting out a webnovel that gets a decent following, something that he's workshopped for 3+ years and has been steadily making producing chapters from about 2+ years. In your perfect world, it would be completely fine if a big production studio took the web novel and made a movie that grossed millions of dollars without the original guy making a cent from the movie?

Before you answer that question, I need you to understand that no one in their right mind would EVER put out their work if it can be stolen and used by others with no recourse. It's like building your dream house, working on it for years and then coming back after a grocery trip to see a pack of feral niggers and spics squatting and telling you they own the house now.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

X vs BlueSky

https://twitter.com/javilopen/status/1907924561997476009

https://nitter.poast.org/javilopen/status/1907924561997476009

https://archive.ph/hABYm

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https://bsky.app/profile/ketrindarkdragon.bsky.social/post/3lmfrnchpy22c

https://archive.ph/l3Y5u

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These images are completely unfunny and honestly unoriginal. "See guys, we DEBOONKED AI USERS AND MADE THEM MAD!!!!".

 

[linchan]

So you think getting rid of Intellectual Property laws will some how usher in this new age of creativity and not some chinkkike-esk world where companies are constantly pumping out slop content for whatever is popular?

We are already living in a chinkkike-esque world where companies are pumping out slop content for whatever is popular. Our most stringent IP law has failed to prevent this, so clearly they are not effective at all in that job.

Imagine, a random guy on the internet is putting out a webnovel that gets a decent following, something that he's workshopped for 3+ years and has been steadily making producing chapters from about 2+ years. In your perfect world, it would be completely fine if a big production studio took the web novel and made a movie that grossed millions of dollars without the original guy making a cent from the movie?

Every time there is a block buster movie coming out there will be people who come up and accuse them of plagrizing their fanfiction, and usually they get dismissed. People bring up this scenario countless times, but there are rarely, if ever, a copyright case as clear cut as this. If the company has the resource to make a movie ripping off a webnovel, they have the resources to modify the story just enough that the legal case against them would be murky since it's more difficult to make a case against a pattern of tropes and archetypes, which makes contesting these companies significantly more expensive.

Regardless, Hollywood can rarely competently adapt a book they directly bought a license to, I have a hard time believing they are capable of elevating any ideas they take.

Meanwhile, there are entire genres of entertainment internet would be obliterated by copyright, because the person used unlicensed copyright of established properties. You use an example of a webnovel however have you thought that there are countless number of fanfiction with that level of following with the author spending significantly more than 3 years whose work is legally not suppose to exist, much less make single cent of profit from it? Yes, most of these pieces of work are not really valuable, but at least in a world ignoring copyright protection, they are capable of earning the sweat of their brow.

Before you answer that question, I need you to understand that no one in their right mind would EVER put out their work if it can be stolen and used by others with no recourse. It's like building your dream house, working on it for years and then coming back after a grocery trip to see a pack of feral niggers and spics squatting and telling you they own the house now.

Once again people conflate ideas with physical property and call both theft. If someone managed to make creation of real estate as easy as duplicating an idea, they would be hailed as a hero for ending homelessness all over the world.

 

[John Helldiver]

Meanwhile, there are entire genres of entertainment internet would be obliterated by copyright, because the person used unlicensed copyright of established properties. You use an example of a webnovel however have you thought that there are countless number of fanfiction with that level of following with the author spending significantly more than 3 years whose work is legally not suppose to exist, much less make single cent of profit from it? Yes, most of these pieces of work are not really valuable, but at least in a world ignoring copyright protection, they are capable of earning the sweat of their brow.

>fanficiton

have you tried...
writing something new and original?

 

[Colon capital V]

>4chan closes
>corponigger, IP copyright bootlickers come ushering in.
Curious isn't it?

 

[John Helldiver]

>4chan closes
>corponigger, IP copyright bootlickers come ushering in.
Curious isn't it?

On what basis do you think ending IP law won't just benefit the corponiggers?

 

[linchan]

>fanficiton

have you tried...
writing something new and original?

Tell Hollywood who owns all the IP's to do that.