Debate @Get the rope Macaulay! on whether or not laws against child exploitation will harm Kiwi Farms

[TORtlEMUStRaNSUS]

I am going play devils advocate.
The government passing "think of the children" laws often goes wrong. I am absolutely in favor of making lolicon, shotacon, csam, etc clearly illegal and punishing those involved with consumption, creation, and distribution. But I understand the sentiment of being dubious of certain legislation because the government often loves to overreach beyond the intent of a law. Null said something similar on MATI regarding outlawing lolicon, that the government would find a way to fuck up a simple "lolicon illegal" law.

I also have not seen this guys arguments regarding AI CSAM because these threads are a mess. If he is truly arguing for legalization or decriminalization of cp he can eat a gun.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

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There is a pattern of absolute spergs in USPG getting threads like this, e.g. Jade Philosophies. That thread ended up being a two-for-one.

 

[The Last Stand]

fuck @Markass the Worst and honestly anyone else with a "True and Honest" its a waste of money and separates you from the rest of us

You live up to your name. Where IS the rope?

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

His logic is retarded and nigh incoherent, the site wouldn't be effected either way.

 

[The Last Stand]

I don't get his argument, and I don't want to.

 

[Markass the Worst]

Not saying he's right or wrong but there is literally a 37 year old basis that things like CP will be used as the basis to limit civilian access to cryptography tools (and AI relates to that in some ways)... it was only recently that Apple was about to do content scanning on their devices and also only recently that Apple disabled encrypted backups in the EU (with cybercrime and CP being the justification from what I can remember).

Sure, there have been proposals for laws that do more harm than good. But rejecting all bills relating to child exploitation is not the right answer. You have to judge each one individually on the merits.

A good litmus test is if the bill targets a specific technology or a specific behaviour. The reason why breaking encryption is a bad idea is because everybody needs encryption and it's impossible to only break encryption just for pedophiles. On the other hand, I have no problem with bills banning AI generated CP, because that's not something that will affect everybody. In the same vein, content scanning is invasive of everybody's privacy and pointless when child molesters can just use something that doesn't scan.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Sure, there have been proposals for laws that do more harm than good. But rejecting all bills relating to child exploitation is not the right answer. You have to judge each one individually on the merits.

A good litmus test is if the bill targets a specific technology or a specific behaviour. The reason why breaking encryption is a bad idea is because everybody needs encryption and it's impossible to only break encryption just for pedophiles. On the other hand, I have no problem with bills banning AI generated CP, because that's not something that will affect everybody. In the same vein, content scanning is invasive of everybody's privacy and pointless when child molesters can just use something that doesn't scan.

I find the arguments tiresome tbh. People that immediately go to "porn law bad" I immediately suspect of having the nastiest hard drive imaginable. The lady doth protest too much and all that.

Can a individual law be bad? Sure. The concept of banning CSAM in all forms is not. It's a noble goal.

 

[The Last Stand]

I find the arguments tiresome tbh. People that immediately go to "porn law bad" I immediately suspect of having the nastiest hard drive imaginable. The lady doth protest too much and all that.

The only reasonable argument I would see for that would be: "does that mean watching pre-code movies or having pictures of vintage actresses count as pornography?"

 

[Chapalapachapa]

aella martin and the rationalists are fucking retarded, no you actually dont have to hand it to them. call them fucktarded and move on

 

[WelperHelper99]

The only reasonable argument I would see for that would be: "does that mean watching pre-code movies or having pictures of vintage actresses count as pornography?"

They're already covered by existing law. Is tge movie banned already? No? Then they aren't going after it with modern laws for the digital age. I don't get you're question fully, but that's my answer.

 

[Not Xavier Ravenblood]

Neger has a good point and I think maybe GTRM was possibly autisming this argument in a terribly formulated way. Hence my first post ITT. They will want to use any means necessary to push against your free speech and civil and personal rights to take as much power away from you and give it to themselves as possible. Blanket fire to kill pedos but the French casualties being Kiwifarms being able to call people trannies or host "hateful" content being the calculated fodder. I don't really know GTRM very well nor have I dived into his posts but I think he may be making a point against letting our government carpet-bomb our civil rights by declaring everything AI generated as "pedo".

Who knows though, he might just be an AI-loli-guy. I don't know enough about him. He did spawn a good discussion of the topic however.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

Another week, another "Debate a nonce" thread in Mass Debates.

 

[God of Nothing]

>it's a drawing
>of a child!
>...it's a drawing
every fucking time

 

[Not Xavier Ravenblood]

So what exactly is that UK law that now forces them to need a VPN to access Kiwifarms? I was talking to someone else about it recently and they thought it was bullshit? Why is Kiwifarms being treated like a porn site while twitch/reddit/Wattpad etc are ok?

You can watch hot tub streamers with stickers over their fully naked tits on a kid-friendly website (twitch) but can't browse a website that instantly bans loli, porn, and has strict anti-poo-touching bans? Gee I wonder who is behind this.

 

[Not Xavier Ravenblood]

"The Online Safety Act 2023[1][2][3] (c. 50) is an act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom to regulate online content. Designed to protect children and adults online, it passed on 26 October 2023 and gives the relevant Secretary of State the power, subject to parliamentary approval, to designate and suppress or record a wide range of online content that is illegal or deemed "harmful" to children"

"The act creates a new duty of care for online platforms, requiring them to take action against illegal content, or legal content that could be "harmful" to children where children are likely to access it. Platforms failing this duty would be liable to fines of up to £18 million or 10% of their annual turnover, whichever is higher. It also empowers Ofcom to block access to particular websites. It obliges large social media platforms not to remove, and to preserve access to, journalistic or "democratically important" content such as user comments on political parties and issues.

The act requires platforms, including end-to-end encrypted messengers, to scan for child pornography, despite warnings from experts that it is not possible to implement such a scanning mechanism without undermining users' privacy."

To be fair I wouldn't let my child browse this website. Britoid law is ridiculous though, I wouldn't wish being born in the UK on my worst enemies.

So like is it signed into law? Because it seems odd no one is talking about it, and it is literally a law that both effected this website while supposedly only attacking evil websites.

This isn't some hypothetical law it's in books and stuff right?

Not sure, we might need to get a bong lawyer in here.

 

[WelperHelper99]

So this was literally a law against child exploitation that literally effected Kiwifarms and no one brought this up?

"The Online Safety Act 2023[1][2][3] (c. 50) is an act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom to regulate online content. Designed to protect children and adults online, it passed on 26 October 2023 and gives the relevant Secretary of State the power, subject to parliamentary approval, to designate and suppress or record a wide range of online content that is illegal or deemed "harmful" to children"

"The act creates a new duty of care for online platforms, requiring them to take action against illegal content, or legal content that could be "harmful" to children where children are likely to access it. Platforms failing this duty would be liable to fines of up to £18 million or 10% of their annual turnover, whichever is higher. It also empowers Ofcom to block access to particular websites. It obliges large social media platforms not to remove, and to preserve access to, journalistic or "democratically important" content such as user comments on political parties and issues.

The act requires platforms, including end-to-end encrypted messengers, to scan for child pornography, despite warnings from experts that it is not possible to implement such a scanning mechanism without undermining users' privacy."

Nigga, Josh told them to fuck off because their law was gay and got PRO SE representation from a DC lawyer on that. It's toothless because the farms is American, not Bong.

So did the supreme Court overturn it? I thought UK users can't use the site now, same with Indian and Australian and Canadian ones

They (UK) have to use a VPN. There are no restrictions on Aus, Canada, or India. There laws have zero effect because Josh is American running an American company.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Guess UK users just don't matter

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

Guess UK users just don't matter enough to care about. Rather dreadful way to treat such a huge part of the userbase, isn't it?

Kiwi Farms is for smart people. Smart people know how to access the site. Those who don't know get an instruction when they try to access it without VPN \ TOR. Dummies who can't follow the instruction - we don't need them.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Outside of making it so every UK user like 10% of the site, has to play internet hide and seek. The whole thing feels so backwards, like we're back in the days of trying to download music from sketchy websites.

Guess UK users just don't matter enough to care about. Rather dreadful way to treat such a huge part of the userbase, isn't it?

The UK is a isle full of retards we fought a war against twice. Fuck them niggers and their government. If they want on they can figure it out

 

[Not Xavier Ravenblood]

Nigga, Josh told them to fuck off because their law was gay and got PRO SE representation from a DC lawyer on that. It's toothless because the farms is American, not Bong.

Bongoloids have their own version of internet (lowercase) law. They are allowed to ban whatever they want from their Great Chinese Britanese Firewall.

Kiwi Farms is for smart people. Smart people know how to access the site. Those who don't know get an instruction when they try to access it without VPN \ TOR. Dummies who can't follow the instruction - we don't need them.

In America there's no warning.