Animal Breeding Horror Show - Featuring trendy bulldogs, exotic bullies and the dog cum cartel

[Scarlet Imperial]

Who actually wants to own a fucking direwolf anyway, even if it WAS an accurate clone? Wolves are a fucking nightmare and they're a fraction of the size. Wolf-dogs are even too much for 99% of people to handle unless they're very low content or the person has a shit ton of money.

They're wild animals, not domesticated pets - they destroy shit, they piss and shit on everything, they don't like being handled, petted, cuddled, or played with like a normal dog, they need a lot more excercise and space, they're almost impossible train or control, they're stubborn, they're dangerous... I could really go on. I get it, it's cool to have a friggin WOLF as a pet or whatever (who doesn't at least like the fantasy idea of owning a tiger or a dragon or something, right?) but the reality of owning an undomesticated animal sucks hard. Even if it's tame or unusual for its species, they're usually a lot of work and aren't worth it unless you're VERY dedicated to owning that animal, like bordering on an obsession almost.

Unlike the more mainstream position of "leave all wild animals alone", I actually think people should be able to own whatever they can handle. Stuff like the "direwolf" being sold to the general public is horrifying, even if you crossed it with a labrador that's still way more than most people can handle and it SHOULDN'T be marketed to most people as a quirky housepet from your favorite TV show. Imagine if people tried selling live gorillas to children after Jungle Book came out, or lion cubs after Lion King made it big.

 

[Coldsteel the Hedgehog]

Extinct species should only be revived if they either went extinct because humans are retards or if they serve an ecological purpose. The reason that Mammoths have been such a big thing for scientists is because there's hopes that if we could ever produce a self-sustaining colony, that they could be re-introduced to the asian steppes and tundras to aid in the ecosystem cycling of those areas and help prevent the decay/destruction of nearby biomes like they did when they were alive. Same thing with Aurochs; they were a large and very hardy species that thrived in colder climates that traditional cattle do not, which means they could greatly help the sustainability of northern settlements.

Dire Wolves do not serve any meaningful niche that our current, living species do not. Instead of trying to "revive" them and introducing horrible competition with native animals, we should focus on preserving the myriad of endangered and misplaced canid species that already exist.

 

[donksmanSupreme42]

'Member when animals were bred for health and temperament so they could preform a job?

We have to go back...

donkeys havnt been overbred into habsburgness, cuz there's not much demand

Horses are cool. Horse people are gay retards

truest words ever spoken, also as a rule of thumb, the more expensive a horse is, the more fragile and angry it is

a non-inbred horse is surprisngly tough, robust and clever, horses aren't supposed to have bones of glass

If you tell them their horse who in the wild would move 20+ miles a day outside regardless of weather shouldn't be locked in a stall for 8+ hours. Behaviors from horses like cribbing (biting the stall or fence line) etc. Are from boredom. Also imagine sitting in your own piss and shit in a stall. Put your horses outside and let them get a bit dirty or maybe even *a single scrape* you bougie faggots.

i work in an animal shelter specializing in equines (tho we also keep other animals) (i'm the on-site donkey specialist), most of the time the horses are kept outside as much as possible, it's better for the horses, as well as for the guys cleaning after em, it's easier to clean a large pasture with many horses than multiple stalls with one horse each, stalls are only used for emergencies or for the winter nights

There's options for bitless bridles that displace any weight and teach riders to use their bodies to tell the horse what to do instead of any force

that's what i use when riding the donkey , also i know a few horses who learn to spit bits out and make u lose control, and u also have much better control bitless

There's these weird automatic turnstyle trainers that are mechanical that make the horses run in a circle that are stupid. Don't be a lazy faggot that's cruel.

what the everloving fuck, learn to lunge a horse u retards

Don't keep horses alone. They're herd animals. They always need friends for their mental health.

donkeys are also better with friends, but it's not as critical, theyre fine alone, but it's almost always better to place em with horses or other donkeys

Bits hurt horses. It is like winning an argument with a knife. There's options for bitless bridles that displace any weight and teach riders to use their bodies to tell the horse what to do instead of any force. You can entirely control a horse without one

yep, i think it's barbaric and is a crutch, if u have to use a bit to control a horse, u can't ride a horse

Working horses every day can exhaust them. Not all breeds are made equal for this and horses need a lot of rest. Go get a mammoth donkey if you want a daily working animal.

it depends on the workload, but even then a horse should rest for the vast majority of the day imo

Most english riding shit falls here honestly. Not all of it is as harmful as above and not all things done for human amusement is inherently cruel.

the bri'ish are a disaster

It's the cutest and cuddliest damn thing.

just wait until it's an adult

docile chimp to harvest crops

i think we tried that already

Humans are also one of the weakest primates.

not rly, u have more muscle mass than a chimp (unelss ur a fatso), and the differnece between slow-tiwtch and fast-twitch isnt as big as u think, especially when u consider the fact that human muscles are hyper-responsive to adrenaline

in a fight or flight scenario, ur slow twitch muscles get overclocked so they twitch as fast as fast-twitch, and yes, it can be consciously activated if u know what ur doing

also ever heard of tard rage, they don't know how to regulate their muscle controls, likewise u can manually shut these limiters down with the right mental conditioning

i can force myself into a fight-or-flight state at any time, but it'd ruin my whole day

chimp strength is a fuckin myth because some monkey ate a ladies face

bitch i could eat ur face u dumb fuckin bantu and there'd be nothjng u can do about it

i spent time in the nuthouse for mauling someone in a stress-induced panic attack, i used to work in a very lucrative high-tech job, why do u think i take care of donkeys now? huh? it's the only thing that keeps me calm

i have also been preparing to fight a chimp for 7 years, 6 months and 23 days by now, even tho that day will never happen

I FUCKIN HATE THE CHIMP MYTH AND I WILL FIGHT U OVER IT

 

[Garlic Salt]

also ever heard of tard rage

i can force myself into a fight-or-flight state at any time, but it'd ruin my whole day

i spent time in the nuthouse for mauling someone in a stress-induced panic attack, i used to work in a very lucrative high-tech job, why do u think i take care of donkeys now? huh? it's the only thing that keeps me calm

i have also been preparing to fight a chimp for 7 years, 6 months and 23 days by now, even tho that day will never happen

You had me with the equine insight, but damn. That pivoted quickly.

 

[donksmanSupreme42]

You had me with the equine insight, but damn. That pivoted quickly.

apologies, just had to vent a bit, i fuckin hate the chimp myth

 

[Scarlet Imperial]

in a fight or flight scenario, ur slow twitch muscles get overclocked so they twitch as fast as fast-twitch, and yes, it can be consciously activated if u know what ur doing

I'll be honest, I thought about not responding to hide my powerlevel, but screw that. This is the first time I've ever heard a person outside my family talk about this. Not the muscle twitches specifically, but the ability to conciously control it. I was beginning to think that either I was crazy, or it was somehow a rare ability. I've done it since I was a kid, I remember doing stuff I shouldn't have been able to, and I remember my dad doing things too. Like breaking a masterlock by squeezing it in his fist - sheared the metal apart. When I was 9 I pushed my grandma's car (a Lincoln, maybe?) up the driveway by myself, which is at like a 10% or 15% grade. The difference is no fucking joke, and once you figure out how to do it, it can come as easily as breathing. It's exhausting though, and easy to hurt yourself if you do it too much or too often. You can also turn off pain, not completely (or at least I can't 100%), but you can make most kinds of pain almost feel like nothing. Your mind is powerful.

How would you describe doing it? I wonder if there are different ways. I slow my breathing and calm myself for a second or two, then imagine all my energy flowing to whatever muscles I need to use, before doing it in a rush. It's hard for me to describe exactly what "doing it" is, it's like trying to describe the exact mechanism behind moving your arm, you know? But the setup gets me in the mindset to do it very easily, and my body does the rest. It also doesn't affect the rest of my day or put me into "fight or flight", it's just while I'm using it.

 

[donksmanSupreme42]

I'll be honest, I thought about not responding to hide my powerlevel, but screw that. This is the first time I've ever heard a person outside my family talk about this. Not the muscle twitches specifically, but the ability to conciously control it. I was beginning to think that either I was crazy, or it was somehow a rare ability. I've done it since I was a kid, I remember doing stuff I shouldn't have been able to, and I remember my dad doing things too. Like breaking a masterlock by squeezing it in his fist - sheared the metal apart. When I was 9 I pushed my grandma's car (a Lincoln, maybe?) up the driveway by myself, which is at like a 10% or 15% grade. The difference is no fucking joke, and once you figure out how to do it, it can come as easily as breathing. It's exhausting though, and easy to hurt yourself if you do it too much or too often. You can also turn off pain, not completely (or at least I can't 100%), but you can make most kinds of pain almost feel like nothing. Your mind is powerful.

How would you describe doing it? I wonder if there are different ways. I slow my breathing and calm myself for a second or two, then imagine all my energy flowing to whatever muscles I need to use, before doing it in a rush. It's hard for me to describe exactly what "doing it" is, it's like trying to describe the exact mechanism behind moving your arm, you know? But the setup gets me in the mindset to do it very easily, and my body does the rest. It also doesn't affect the rest of my day or put me into "fight or flight", it's just while I'm using it.

ur method can work, abd i tried it, it is a lot less effective to me than to induce a panic attack (tho it still works)

ur method targets one muscle group, mine activates everything at once


recently i got significantly better at stopping said panic attack, it used to ruin my day, nowadays unless smth unexpected happens, i can leave this mindset in 5 minutes

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

donkeys havnt been overbred into habsburgness, cuz there's not much demand

My mom loves watching this one donkey online that acts like the barnyard version of a puppy. That goofy ass just wants to torture rubber chickens and kick horse balls.

 

[DenseDeerFather]

Silken Windhounds

Who came up with that name? Lol

Anything else are retarded mixes purpose made to try and make a "designer" breed.

I hate that the term "designer" breed is a thing. Granted, some breeds of old were bred to serve a purpose of being lap dogs and accessories, and that hasn't changed today.

You have to be an animal eugenicist to be a breeder but on the more naive end of motivations for getting into this shit is that people just think it works like human breeding where people don't usually make such considerations. They seem to think certain breeds came about because no one thought to outbreed them and forget why purpose breeding for type is a thing at all.

Reading this made me rethink my feelings about the retro pug. Granted I used to praise the fuck outta this one because it looked like a pug that could breathe, even if it's effectively a cross-breed that probably has some genetic fuckery of its own.

I think that Wolven Gazehound or whatever looks pretty fuckin' neat.

It's a very striking dog, I'll agree with that. I'd like to pet it.

people keep because it's an "exotic" expensive breed.

Or social media. Those Borzoi nose memes are cute, but people who get the breed just because "muh nose" need to get slapped.

It's like people who get huskies for memes either and then wonder why it's a nightmare to raise them properly. I'm not loving people who post videos of huskies yowling, either.

I have seen far too many people in those animal adoption Facebook groups get a husky because "MUH HOWLIES" then beg to get rid of them as soon as the going got too much.

I have no doubt mentioned this in the thread before but I wish more people would do more

I guess I'm alone in this but I don't have much respect for people who seek a certain kind of breed for aesthetic purposes only. It's different from getting s specific breed for a purpose (hunting, therapy, service, family, guard etc. etc) or because its temperament and fitness level or even coat sound manageable or it has managble genetics or whatever.

But people that get a certain kind of breed only because it looks cute or it's trendy without any other form of consideration for the living, breathing animal they are responsible for....it kinda bugs me.

Am I moral-fagging? Probably, but I've seen so much of it that it's hard not to feel something about it.

Here's a guy attfempting to recreate the molossus.

I ache for that fucking dog. And I want to punch this fucking guy. He looks exactly like the type of person to do this.

cope wolves

I'm sorry, but that made me laugh. Sounds like a parody OC on Toyhouse.

This is not new. There was a cohort of 1930's technocrats who tried to "revive" the Aurochs through selective breeding, and they had a similar result: a cow that sort of resembles an aurochs on a superficial level but is not really provably an aurochs

Goodness, you reminded me of Fidel Castro and Ubre Blanca.

They're wild animals, not domesticated pets - they destroy shit, they piss and shit on everything, they don't like being handled, petted, cuddled, or played with like a normal dog,

It reminds me of this entire gaggle of people on YouTube and social media who keep pet foxes. Granted, some are astute enough to give the fox a massive outdoor area to roam in and some are rescues but others literally just have foxes like you'd have a cat and then wonder why Finnigan the Fox or whatever constantly pisses on their pillow.

Don't get me started on those who wanna get fennec foxes.

 

[scathefire]

I guess I'm alone in this but I don't have much respect for people who seek a certain kind of breed for aesthetic purposes only. It's different from getting s specific breed for a purpose (hunting, therapy, service, family, guard etc. etc) or because its temperament and fitness level or even coat sound manageable or it has managble genetics or whatever.

But people that get a certain kind of breed only because it looks cute or it's trendy without any other form of consideration for the living, breathing animal they are responsible for....it kinda bugs me.

Am I moral-fagging? Probably, but I've seen so much of it that it's hard not to feel something about it.

None of that is unreasonable to expect out of people who want a dog, it’s just basic decency and consideration for an animal. People without such consideration do things like spontaneously get a rabbit for Easter and then dump it the second they realize they weren’t equipped to take care of it and/or got bored of it. It’s a very fucked and self-centered mentality.

 

[Scarlet Imperial]

I think selling stuff like goldfish bowls and rabbit cages should come with giant warnings when you buy one. "THIS IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR LONGTERM HOUSING. THIS ITEM IS FOR TEMPORARY HOUSING AND TRANSPORT ONLY." It won't solve the problem entirely, but hopefully it'll make people stop and consider their animal choice for at least a split second.

When I foster dogs/puppies I'm a control freak. I don't work with shelters (seriously, fuck most shelters), if I foster an animal I require full control/ownership over the animal and the adoption process. There are some questions that, if a prospective owner asks me, it is an instant denial. "They're fully potty trained, right?" "Will he bite me?" "Do I have to get him any shots?" "I can feed him what I feed my other dog, right?" To a certain extent, questions are great. I love to hear "can I meet the mom/can I have a picture of the food bag/do you have their shots paperwork?" But when you have to ask whether an 8 week puppy is potty trained or you're under the impression dogs don't need any more shots past that point, you clearly have no idea what a dog needs and didn't even bother doing a Google search about it. Every first time dog owner is going to ask questions like that, of course, but when you come to me cash in hand and still have to ask them, I know you saw a "puppies for sale" sign and didn't consider anything past the initial excitement. And yes, I get asked questions like that terrifyingly often, and even more stupid ones. Asking if I just keep them in the backyard at night (in the middle of winter no less), what size crate do they need to live in (as in they planned on keeping it locked up like a gerbil), etc. I'm sure I come off as highly opinionated in this thread, I think I'm just a bit jaded from dealing with so many retards.

 

[Ed Special]

THIS IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR LONGTERM HOUSING

Ironically enough, goldfish bowls are actually appropriate for rice fish, but that's only because they've evolved specifically to live in the super stagnant, shallow, low-oxygen waters of rice paddies. Damn shame they're almost entirely impossible to find in the US, though. That said, though, I'd still have some actual aquatic plants and a mesh substrate bag full of soil in the bowl to help keep waste levels down.

 

[AnOminous]

I have seen far too many people in those animal adoption Facebook groups get a husky because "MUH HOWLIES" then beg to get rid of them as soon as the going got too much.

Almost nobody should have a husky. They are built to be incredibly active and specifically to pull a sled for lengthy periods of time. If they can't, they're miserable and neurotic. Unless you yourself are a world class athlete who can keep up with a husky, you shouldn't have one.

 

[James done did it]

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2025.04.09.647074v1

The Colossal Direwolf paper dropped.



Coming off very strong out of the gate.

Abstract:



I can only describe this as Jewish wiggle word genetics. This statement is almost completely irrelevant to their media blitz marketing.



So basically, they're claiming their new, pre-peer review data show that dire wolves may have been the result of a hybridization event between a cerdocyonid (bush dogs) and some kind of pre wolf/dhole split canina (the group that contains wolves, jackals and african wild dogs). Which does shift them *closer* to wolves relative to the 2021 study. And means utterly fucking nothing in the scope of the tranny logic being applied to claim their 'dire wolves' aren't just a designer grey wolf.

What's more interesting is that line between dire wolves and the grey wolf and coyote which suggests that there may have been gene flow from dire wolves into grey wolf populations. This is doubly interesting when you realize there is a ghost canid that contributed genes to domestic dogs that would be in a relatively similar pre-dhole canina position:



If this study is legitimate there's a chance that our little slambeasts are part dire wolf. In an extremely convoluted way, because dire wolf DNA would have gone into a pre-grey wolf canina which then went back into Eurasia, which then evolved into a grey wolf, came back over around 13,000 years ago in both a new grey wolf migration and in domestic dogs which contributed to their final decline, only for those new world dogs to be almost entirely wiped out and replaced by old world dogs, which also still had dire wolf DNA because almost 0 new world dog DNA remains aside from in a few mesoamerican breeds, a few arctic breeds and Carolina dogs, but even among those breeds new world DNA is less than 30%.

But we'll have to see if it passes peer review muster. It doesn't sound like they really had that much more data than the 2021 study that they were deriding. I guess the core of that claim is their data is better for those two samples. I'm not really qualified to comment on that but it seems sussy as the kids say.

 

[Scarlet Imperial]

Almost nobody should have a husky. They are built to be incredibly active and specifically to pull a sled for lengthy periods of time. If they can't, they're miserable and neurotic. Unless you yourself are a world class athlete who can keep up with a husky, you shouldn't have one.

The huskies you see these days aren't sled dogs, they're the show bred variety and aren't particularly good for anything. If you're relatively active and you're willing to put up with the hair and howling, huskies are an okay dog, especially if you live somewhere cold. I wouldn't ever get one because I'm lazy and like my peace, but I've known many people who owned them without issue.

For reference, here's the husky you see everywhere:

This is the breed called "Siberian Husky". They were bred for showing only. Now these:

Are "Alaskan Huskies" or "Eskimo dogs". These things are bred to pull sleds, and if you notice, really look nothing like Siberian huskies at all. That's because eskimo dogs aren't a breed - they're just a collection of the most suitable and strong dogs available to be beasts of burden, they're all a bunch of mutts. They tend to have that husky coat pattern and vaguely wolfish looks, but that's just about all they have in common. Siberians were bred from them to make pretty dogs, not working dogs; calling a Siberian husky a sled dog is kind of like calling a pug a guard dog just because they're descended from mastiffs - yeah, they're related, but had different traits selected for and aren't interchangable anymore.

 

[S.C.U.D.]

But we'll have to see if it passes peer review muster.

A lot of shit is just rubber-stamped these days. It's the reason why most published studies are non-reproducible.

 

[Scarlet Imperial]

A lot of shit is just rubber-stamped these days. It's the reason why most published studies are non-reproducible.

Replication crisis is only really an issue in psychology/medicine because of how subjective they are, how shit the quality of the testing is, and the pressure to come out with positive/interesting results for a payout and clout. With something like a DNA study you'd be hard-pressed to have a replication problem. The "hard" sciences where you literally just look at shit and use math and say "yeah that's exactly what we thought in the first place" are almost immune to it. Meta studies are effective and reliable, and even when meta studies aren't available professionals are usually able to tell if a study is non-replicable within their own scientific field with good accuracy.

Bottom line is, if it sounds sensational or too good to be true, it's probably being pushed for money/fame or the people doing it are stupid and fucked their methodology in some way. That's why peer review has such an emphasis - non-replicable studies generally fail peer review or have a lot of criticism. Most scientists still trust and rely on the literature outside of psychology and certain fields of medicine.

 

[donksmanSupreme42]

The huskies you see these days aren't sled dogs

afaik the huskies think they are sled dogs tho, nobody told em they aren't

 

[Pine Needles]

What sort of awful shit did these toads dogs do in a past life? Poor things look stupid as hell and are surely in constant pain, and being raped by wannabe gangsters on the regular. The retarded names they give them feels like the icing on the shit cake.
Mark me Late and MATI, but man... it's insane that this shit is legal.

 

[James done did it]

Ironically enough, goldfish bowls are actually appropriate for rice fish, but that's only because they've evolved specifically to live in the super stagnant, shallow, low-oxygen waters of rice paddies. Damn shame they're almost entirely impossible to find in the US, though. That said, though, I'd still have some actual aquatic plants and a mesh substrate bag full of soil in the bowl to help keep waste levels down.

You can order eggs on amazon or ebay for like 50 bucks. I've done it a few times and raised up fry. I always ended up finding them boring though and selling them off, except the one time a female betta i had in with a group got PMS and killed all of them.