Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[mindlessobserver]

My hope is the court says absolutely nothing about these recent filings, except perhaps to permit the extension to Mr. Hardin without any further comment. Then on day 31 have Judge Barlow directly write the dismissal for failure to pay.

My thinking is that is exactly what they are going to do. Play pick up sticks for the next 2 weeks and see if Greer actually follows the order to pay.

 

[Hunter Hearst Helmsley]

Question for the more legal minded here.

What is the judicial equivalent of "Listen here you little shit"

Hoping for it.

I played it out with ChatGPT, and it sounds right to my non-lawyer ears:

“The Court is not inclined to indulge frivolous, vexatious, or abusive litigation tactics.”

Or, more pointedly:

“This Court will not serve as a vehicle for personal vendettas or baseless accusations cloaked in the guise of legal argument.”

Or, if things escalate:

“Plaintiff is warned that continued conduct of this nature may result in sanctions, including dismissal with prejudice and a bar on future filings without prior approval of the Court.”

I then pointed out warnings have already been issued.

“Plaintiff has continued to engage in conduct previously warned against by this Court. The Court finds this behavior to be willfully abusive of the judicial process and inconsistent with the obligations imposed by Rule 11 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.”

“Accordingly, the Court will entertain no further filings from Plaintiff in this matter without prior leave. Plaintiff is hereby sanctioned as follows…”

Or:

“The pattern of shifting representations regarding in forma pauperis status, coupled with unfounded accusations against opposing counsel, evidences a bad-faith effort to harass rather than to litigate. The Court will not permit its docket to be used in this manner.”

I then pointed out sanctions have already been issued.

At this stage, the judge’s response is no longer just cautionary or corrective — it’s decisively dismissive and aimed at containment. The judicial equivalent of “Listen here, you little shit” becomes:

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“The Court has exhausted its patience.”

“Despite prior sanctions and explicit warnings, Plaintiff continues to engage in bad-faith conduct and misuse of judicial resources.”

“This case is hereby DISMISSED WITH PREJUDICE. Plaintiff is further ENJOINED from filing any future actions in this district without prior written authorization from a judge of this Court.”

“No further filings shall be accepted in this matter, except for a notice of appeal.”

Like yeah yeah I know it's meaningless ChatGPT blather but the predictions it makes aren't based on nothing. These are the general flavor of words the judge should be issuing at some point here, but hey, I still feel like we've probably got months warming our hands by the taxpayer money bonfire this case is anyway.

 

[HackerX]

it’s decisively dismissive and aimed at containment

Hehe. ChatGPT judge wants to contain the retard so it can't infect anyone else.

 

[CEO of Gay]

Even Greer must know what a dumb move it would be

There are many things Greer, by all rights, should have understood to be a dumb move, but didn't. Thus, I have gained a few pounds from the popcorn I've been munching on while reading this thread and his main one.

Attempting to do this would almost certainly constitute a crime. Both before whatever local city county or state court he tries it. And in front of the 10th circuit judges. It is an act of purely criminal bad faith. It is fraud before several courts.

At best the local courts would once again kick it back to him because any such order would grossly violate Null and Hardins rights.

I didn't want to elucidate what those consequences might be, because 1) We're not supposed to give Greer good advice in this thread and 2), it would have been funny as fuck for him to find out those consequences all on his own.

“The Court has exhausted its patience.”

Is the correct emotional response here something akin to the existential dread one felt as a child when one's mother demanded one's presence using one's full name, middle name included?

 

[AnOminous]

I think it's worse than that since Greer in his own filing admits that he has the money in savings, and thus paying the fee would not affect his ability to pay bills. He just says he doesn't wanna pay cause Hardin is being mean to him.

He admitted it in open court. Turning around and spitting in the face of the judge is not going to win him any favors.

 

[Pim Fortuyn]

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well, I don't know about you guys, but he certainly got my number.

 

[talk talk talk]

He admitted it in open court. Turning around and spitting in the face of the judge is not going to win him any favors.

Yes. I listened to the hearing live and the magistrate judge spent time to make sure Russ knew what he was agreeing to. Russ's admission wasn't just a passing thing.

Russ is now saying he will break the promises he made to the magistrate judge that 1) he could afford the filing fee; and 2) he would pay it. This blows all his credibility, especially when the magistrate judge put extra effort into making sure Russ knew what he was promising.

For a trial litigator (which is the position Russ finds himself in), credibility is everything. The court system relies on lawyers, while sometimes having to present their clients' crazy stories, to not lie to the court or break their promises. Russ has now done both. He is a liar. Everything he tells the court in the future will now have the stank of a liar on it.

But Russ is a lolcow. And his downfall here comes from the key trait of lolcows--oversharing. It was his own crazy posts that put us on the trail of his attempt to get a brothel in Winnemucca. It has been his own public boasting about having "investors" in his brothel business that has led to The Hardship having grounds to challenge his IFP.

 

[DavidS877]

He is a liar. Everything he tells the court in the future will now have the stank of a liar on it.

We've known this, the court has known this, but up till now he's had plausible deniability. "Sowwy yur hona I dinna kow Steve Taylah wuz ded."

This payment he's explicitly agreed to, if he tries to walk that back, well, let's just say I'm hoping for (more) monetary sanctions as part of the dismissal.

 

[Dyn]

It takes a special mind to think the answer to not being able to afford hookers is to stay broke and try to buy the entire brothel anyway, instead of just scrounging up the $500 or whatever like a normal person.

 

[Thomas Talus]

Question for the more legal minded here.

What is the judicial equivalent of "Listen here you little shit"

Something along the lines of "[Party] is directed to take notice that..."

 

[Napoleon III]

Give me all the rainbows in the world. But I think he may have gone too far this. He has repeatedly threatened opposing council. Been repeatedly told by the court to knock it off. He has repeatedly refused to provide evidence for his statements, and Been told repeatedly by the court to do so.

My thinking is that is exactly what they are going to do. Play pick up sticks for the next 2 weeks and see if Greer actually follows the order to pay.

I think is going to be the end result of the case they could smack the retard around but they might not want to do that as it is very public and could look bad without proper context.

So the Judges will simply wait for this case to find one of the several modes of dismissal and then dismiss it.

Knock on wood but it really does feel like this case is going to end pretty soon.

And once again the only litigant in this case that is an actual convicted stalker is the Plaintiff.

Does Greer think that the Magistrate in this District Court is going to give him a "personal protective order" against opposing counsel? And by extension, does he think this paragraph in his spittle-flecked opposition filing is how to request that?

You get a sense of just how much of a sadist Greer actually is in these filings. He wants the ability to hurt the people he doesn't like and he can't accept them ever fighting back. Greer has kept this aspect of himself fairly well hidden because he knows it makes him look bad.

One way to view the disabled is with gentleness as they have had a major disadvantage that other people have not had to deal with, but another lesser known way is to view the disabled with extreme caution and possibly contempt as quite often the disabled are extremely resentful, spiteful and childish.

 

[StinkySnack]

It takes a special mind to think the answer to not being able to afford hookers is to stay broke and try to buy the entire brothel anyway, instead of just scrounging up the $500 or whatever like a normal person.

Russell usually pays around $3,000 to $4,000 per lay. He’s consistently charged the asshole tax, and his dumb ass thinks it’s normal.

 

[RodgerDodger]

I wouldn't place too much stock in "reports" to police being handled consistently. While one cop may have taken that silly "report" from Russ, another would nod, act like he was writing everything down, and then bin it and code the encounter something else to avoid paperwork (the goal of most in that position). Instead of classifying it as a report of a crime, they classify it as an "assist citizen" (no name required) because it wasn't within jurisdiction (and also wasn't criminal).

Oh god no. Maybe in the olden days. But in today's world? They document everything. Especially the lunatics and retards. Greers previous attempt at a restraining order provides a good example. They wrote everything down documented what he said and then point blank told him no. This would violate the subjects rights.

As a Cop you do not want to be the last person dealing with the retard without a paper trail. And honestly for all their pitching most cops will happily do the paperwork. Because their union contracts mandate they have to be given time to do their paperwork. Someplace warm, dry and on the clock. And that they cannot be bothered by pesky dispatchers for things like joggers rioting while they are in their alloted paperwork period.

Don't get me wrong. If you have ever read an officers written report they are actually worse than Greers writing. With a loose concept of spelling and punctuation. To be fair Cops are generally better than firefighters with regards to paperwork. Outside of EMS Firefighters view paperwork and actual literacy as "Lieutenant Grade skillsets". Anything more complicated than the trucks daily inventory checklist will require at least 3 of them to slowly work their way through while moving their lips.

 

[ScooterL]

Now I am wondering why Russ hasn't tried that sooner.

Because he has no grounds to get one. He'd have to lie to the court, and would be quickly exposed.

 

[RodgerDodger]

I didn't want to elucidate what those consequences might be, because 1) We're not supposed to give Greer good advice in this thread and 2), it would have been funny as fuck for him to find out those consequences all on his own.

Honestly, regardless of how funny it would be, it would be more stress and bullshit for Null and Hardin to deal with that they really don't need.

 

[AnOminous]

One way to view the disabled is with gentleness as they have had a major disadvantage that other people have not had to deal with, but another lesser known way is to view the disabled with extreme caution and possibly contempt as quite often the disabled are extremely resentful, spiteful and childish.

And if the "disabled" are like Russell Greer, the proper response to them is flipping them off a bridge into an open sewer and laughing at them as they choke and die, drooling and slurping their last in raw sewage.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

It is a rare privilege to see a man shoot himself in the foot, reload, and fire again. Thank you for the laughs, Russell. It's the perfect way to end a night.

 

[Bill Evans 45]

Greer is tearing out his hair

'Full set of hair'

But all of that is small compared to the shenanigans with IFP. The court has told him to pay up after he said, TWICE he could pay. Now he's saying he can't pay. But he can apparently pay for all thise hooker and brother bullshit.

I think it's worse than that since Greer in his own filing admits that he has the money in savings, and thus paying the fee would not affect his ability to pay bills. He just says he doesn't wanna pay cause Hardin is being mean to him.

*Perjury* has entered the chat.

I have a dream, my brothers and sisters, that one day, Stebbins and Greer will engage in litigation against each other. And on that day, my children, there will be a mighty gobbling and a great gnashing of teeth. There will be drool and there will be despair and the heavens will open and the Lord sayeth: 'Damn, dis gonna be gud'.
We will now sing hymn number 69, 'This little litigant of mine, I'm going to let him shine'. [Bangs tuning fork on pulpit. Collection plates are passed around the congregation]

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

Russell usually pays around $3,000 to $4,000 per lay. He’s consistently charged the asshole tax, and his dumb ass thinks it’s normal.

Although he likely has paid less when he has solicited streetwalkers not sanctioned by the prostitution laws on the books, which he has actually admitted to having done in his court filings. Why anyone would put that in their court filings is truly beyond me.

 

[HackerX]

Honestly, regardless of how funny it would be, it would be more stress and bullshit for Null and Hardin to deal with that they really don't need.

Quite frankly, I'm shocked people have any "good advice", other than give up. I guess he could pretend he's had amnesia for the last 5 years and is completely unaware he's been the plaintiff of a lawsuit the entire time.

There's another strategy I'm drummin' up that Russ could use. It's inspired by this esoteric show called 'Looney Tunes' with these dudes named Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, and Elmer Fudd. Russ can do a lil' reverse psychology on Hardin/Null by claiming he's the ooperator of Kiwi Farms, a website, and that they're the plaintiffs. All Russ needs to do is go back and forth with them until Hardin/Null trip up and say "No, I'm the plaintiff", and then BAM. He'll have played them for fools.