Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

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When will the Judge issue a ruling regarding the Motion to Dismiss?

  • This Month

    Votes: 67 14.6%
  • Next Month

    Votes: 55 12.0%
  • This Year

    Votes: 73 15.9%
  • Next Year

    Votes: 153 33.4%
  • Whenever he issues an update to the sanctions

    Votes: 110 24.0%

  • Total voters
    458
No, but those rulings would be moot if the court dismisses the case, which is why I remain optimistic.

Sanctions better not be fucking moot. Greer has money to pay for his fuckery, he has admitted this in multiple court filings.

This case probably won't continue into July.

Bless your heart.
 
Sir are you aware what thread you're posting in?
Nobody in this case has ever specified exact numbers like this.
The first ruling can't be seen as any kind of win for Greee, dispite technically ruling against the defence, it serves only to speed things up, at least as I see it.
Anyone who thinks Hardin actually needed the time he was filing an extension for is a fool. He already has that motion drafted.
 
I imagine that, just like Hardin likely has most of the reply in support of his motions to dismiss already drafted and is just waiting until the end of the month to sprinkle in the most up-to-date plightsperging, the magistrate has already drafted the majority of his report and recommendation to the district judge, and the district judge is prepared to adopt it without much additional fanfare. The only point of disagreement in the whole process might be whether they request that Hardin submit a declaration of his fees and costs, or whether they chicken out on actually holding Russ accountable for the demonstrable financial damage he has deliberately inflicted on the defendants.
 
I don't see how that's any different from what I said. He got 21 days after the judge spent 4 pages saying there was no reason for whining about it.

"Pay up. Ok you didn't, pay up or there might be more sanctions... OK you didn't pay, so pay up or there WILL be more sanctions." Until the judge actually hits him with an increased amount, he let Greer off the hook, simple as. You might say giving a specific amount this time is progress, but his threats aren't very credible when they're accompanied by free extensions, when Greer didn't even ask for an extension this time.
This isn't outrageous.

And tbh, yes, a pro se and (formerly) ifp plaintiff with Russ's litigation history is one who gets handled very carefully. But that is to create a record, which is a very important and valuable thing. You can't do this sort of thing without thinking through possible or likely outcomes, so if that means amassing all the opportunities the vexatious litigant had to cure defaults or straighten up and fly right, that's what must be done. Neither of these judges wants this to boomerang back again. Both of them appear done with shenanigans, but they clearly want an absolutely, objectively unambiguous locked-down record that supports whatever their decision is. Be mindful that commenters here are biased in the sense of having picked a side to root for, but whatever the magistrate and judge do has to be free of onlooker pettiness or anything else not on record (and not just what is asserted) and be purely, inescapable correct. And they do not want it at all plausibly suggested that they did not maintain judicial patience and objectivity with a retard pro se plaintiff of questionable rationality. Their decisions have to be inarguably grounded in facts and law, and not reflecting any emotion or irritation (or anything else). It is a slow and painstaking process, but diligence and thoroughness are what make slow wheels grind.
 
Place your bets for how many plight filings and pictures of whores and Hitler will be sent to the court by Greer before the 30th.
I predict several, despite the court specifically saying:
The court further notes that the filing of any additional motions will not result in a delay of the date Mr. Greer is required to pay the sanctions
 
while there will be no intervening fuckwits to take his case pro bono on appeal this time, it only recently hit me that russ doesn’t care that he won’t win this case now, as he just wants to get it back to appeals. in his mind, he “won” his appeal. he’s building himself up that all of his “evidence” of hardin’s “misconduct” will only further his success on appeal. his mindset is “THIS court won’t listen to me, but i know of one that will!” he’s not even pretending that he can win this anymore. he truly believes he just needs to ride it out and the appeals court will save him. he believes now that every motion he enters is evidence for the appeals court.
 
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I've read this several times and still can't get over how grandiosely stupid it is. "If you say I'm retarded, then EVERYONE must be retarded!"

I don't think there is a greater insult you can throw at a judge than "you have the same legal understanding as Russell Greer".
I remember reading about some experiment done in developmental psychology to measure a child's mental development. The process goes something like this:

There is the child, the experimenter, a third party, and an object. With both the child and the third party in the room, the object is hidden somewhere, and both the child and third party see where. The third party leaves the room. The object is then moved and hidden elsewhere. When the third party returns, the child is asked where the third party thinks the object is.

Below a certain stage of development, the child will invariably answer the new location, because he has not yet learned that other people have minds separate from his own, and so assumes everyone has seen and knows everything he has. Only after a certain stage of development, will the child realize that the third party does not know that the object has been moved, and that the third party will think that the object is still in its previous location.

When Mr. Greee writes like like he did above, he comes across as genuinely retarded, like he never passed that stage of mental development.
Here's another example:
Sir, first of all: I'm a real person. Just because you can't see me, doesn't mean that I don't exist.
This sounds so much like a line that was used on Russel when he was a boy to dissuade him from the cruel behavior that ultimately arises from a young child's solipsistic mindset. Only, I don't know if he ever actually came to understand the words. Rather, he seems to have learned that this is another magic spell that can be used to compel compliance.

A cashier's check or money order would mean "money being taken out of his account." The unspoken coda to which is, "And I would have no way to get it back by claiming the transaction was fraudulent."
Or alternatively, "and then I could no longer spend that money on hookers my business ventures"

With the different block sizes, each snippet clearly removed from context, yet at the same time following a consistent theme, I know what this reminds me of. This looks like a piece of public art you'd find installed on a college campus or some renewed urban district. The kind that is confusingly non-representative of anything in particular, but at the same time, its bizarre non-aesthetic seems to hint at a deeper, more elusive and profound meaning. You know, the kind of stuff you stare at after taking a massive bong hit. It just starts to make sense, and then the hit starts to fade, so you take another bong hit, because what does this thing mean, man?

I think we have discovered a way to teach anti-drug education in schools. Teenagers are curious what drugs feel like? Make them read Greee's court filings.
 
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Both judges smacking him down at the same time indicates that they've had enough to put this thorn in their side to bed.

What are you referring to? Bennett didn't smack Greer down today at all, and Barlow's "smackdown" merely kicked the can down the road for the fuckteenth time.

At the very least it seems past time for Hardin to file another Request to Submit for Decision (like he did before on the motion to stay discovery when Greer failed to oppose it) on the older items that remain open. There's nothing more to say or brief on ECF 234 and it was discussed at the hearing. ECF 299 has been through file-response-reply. ECF 314 has been through file-response and the time for reply has expired.
 
No, but those rulings would be moot if the court dismisses the case, which is why I remain optimistic.
The fact that the judge wants to rule on all of the open sanctions motions at the same time as the motion to dismiss is a good reason to be very optimistic. Because there is a lot of open motions to rule on, and almost all of it could be avoided if they were found to be moot as a result of dismissing the case.

What are you referring to? Bennett didn't smack Greer down today at all, and Barlow's "smackdown" merely kicked the can down the road for the fuckteenth time.

At the very least it seems past time for Hardin to file another Request to Submit for Decision (like he did before on the motion to stay discovery when Greer failed to oppose it) on the older items that remain open. There's nothing more to say or brief on ECF 234 and it was discussed at the hearing. ECF 299 has been through file-response-reply. ECF 314 has been through file-response and the time for reply has expired.
Based on the judge's ruling regarding the extension, we'll see rulings on all of these at the same time as the Motion to Dismiss.
 
Saying you're going to do a SPECIFIC thing ties you to that. People are freaking out about totally routine shit and ignoring the actual obvious advance, slow as it is.
I agree that it is nice that the judge didn't use their usual coy language like "may do this" and straight up spelled out that he will hit Greer if he continues to fail to pay, but you can't be too mad at people who are not satisfied by this very light reaction to this faggot failing to comply with court orders FUCKING TWICE and in his filings almost straight up saying that he feels the court orders are more like polite suggestions than actual fucking orders and that he gets to unilaterally decide that he doesn't have to comply.
 
What are you referring to? Bennett didn't smack Greer down today at all, and Barlow's "smackdown" merely kicked the can down the road for the fuckteenth time.

At the very least it seems past time for Hardin to file another Request to Submit for Decision (like he did before on the motion to stay discovery when Greer failed to oppose it) on the older items that remain open. There's nothing more to say or brief on ECF 234 and it was discussed at the hearing. ECF 299 has been through file-response-reply. ECF 314 has been through file-response and the time for reply has expired.
They're working in unison to put this case to bed. Both of them at the same time. We will see.
 
What are you referring to? Bennett didn't smack Greer down today at all, and Barlow's "smackdown" merely kicked the can down the road for the fuckteenth time.

Bennett's ruling was utterly unfathomable to me. Do we think he wants Hardin to file his request for dismissal at that point because he's going to deal with all the outstanding shit at the same time? Is this likely to be a good sign or a bad sign? I don't understand why he wouldn't want to have had rulings on all of the outstanding issues before he gets the request for dismissal, but the obvious implication is that he's just going to ignore all of that other shit and then make a decision at that point about the request to dismiss. (ie, also denied.)

And they won't even know whether Greee has complied with his sanctions order at that point -- or do I have my dates wrong? They want Hardin's filing by the 28th, but Greer has until the 30th to comply with the order? Perhaps it means they've got a plan to make a decision about what happens next on or after the 30th?
 
I think Harden missed a big point in that Grizzle even stated he had the May 6th hearing marked on his calendar for 2 months.
Someone with whatever software can move/detect multiple images should check ECF 338 to see if Greer stacked the images again. The text in his response related to Exhibit A indicates that there should be a screenshot where Hardin indicates he would prefer to pay paid by check, but the actual image is just Greer asking that question to Hardin without showing Hardin's response.

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You didn't think he would submit something that shows he's lying do you?
 
Bennett's ruling was utterly unfathomable to me.

It was weird. "Defendants request a second extension of time. Defendants request that I resolve several open matters before they reply, including sanctions. I decline to give Defendants more time, I'll evaluate all the grounds for dismissal at once, and I have nothing, absolutely NOTHING to say about all those open matters they were hoping I would resolve, which have dramatically increased in the intervening weeks and have racked up significant costs for the defense."
 
This was the best part from the Magistrate District Judges order:
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The constant bullshit that the Bamboon says about Kiwi Farmers [sic,] often catches my attention in these filings. He constantly misrepresents all people who use this site. Has anyone counted up how many times gReeee has lied about all Kiwi Farmers in these 333+ filings? Not just mentioning the site name, but attributing fantasy bad guy behavior to everyone who dares use the site.
ETA: mixed up da judge
 
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Greee knows these courts hold no power over what he does/does not do and he acts accordingly. In due time, the judges will also come to realize they simply have no power to compel him to do anything. They've spent years letting him know that as long as he fucks up inch by inch, they will let him have a mile.

As much as I hate it for Dear Leader, having the court move the deadline and say "this time we really mean it, buster" is not indicative of the end coming soon.
 
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