Undertale

[Local Wordmason]

But I'm okay with the more likely of them being bros, too.

They already got that bro vibe. This is one of my favorite sprites from the new chapters.

Just a random thought, shouldn't Kris be able to fight back against Susie's bullying in the beginning of chapter 1? In Undertale, it talks about how humans greatly physically overpower monsters.

He does in a way (Excerpt from this page from the Spamton Sweepstakes ARG stuff)
Kris is characterized as being shy and quiet before Chapter 1, so it wouldn't really fit his character to physically confront Susie.

"Nice shampoo. Apple flavor, right? Better be careful about wearing that around me."

Then she BIT THE WHOLE APPLE IN HALF! Including the core. She even ate the seeds, which, um, contain arsenic if you didn't know. X) Don't eat those Susie... anyway, Kris didn't react, so she continued.

"Keep smelling like apples... you might end up like this."

Kris didn't react.

"Bitten..." she pointed to the apple. "In HALF."

There was like, the MOST awkward silence... and then...

Snickering.

But it wasn't Susie...

No, it was Kris, just barely stifling some laugh.

Did they think that was some kind of weird joke...? X)

WHATEVER it was, Susie must have thought she was getting made fun of, because she immediately just LAUNCHED the apple right at kris.

But, Kris, with their gamer reaction speed X) Held up their notebook like a shield and blocked it diagonally, bouncing it into the air...

And actually CAUGHT the apple.

...

Then took a bite out of it.

Gosh, though, did that make Susie mad.

Also Toby references Tsundere a lot so you know that's why she started bullying him in the first place. Susie always seemed to be all bark and no bite, so maybe Kris never felt intimidated because he knew she wouldn't do shit.

 

[Two Dollars]

I wish this were true but unfortunately susie does seem interested in noelle, or at least has been becoming more and more interested. If you look undern Noelle's bed there's a picture of Noelle dressed goth/punk for a CD cover and Susie gets flustered about it, so she seems to be into goth gfs. Plus knowing the deltatroon team, if the didn't go through with noelle and susie, they would see it as "going backwards on LGBT progress!!!" that or they would be at the mercy of their annoying fanbase. So yeah. I think Susie does like her.

I don’t see it that way. Chapter 4 is full of Krusie moments that go beyond normal friendly conversation, including hidden stuff like Kris staring at Susie by the lake, or Susie thinking deeply when she looks in the mirror with him. The only real moment with Noelle that goes beyond friendly conversation is Susie getting flustered when she sees the goth photo, maybe parts of the conversation when Kris is trying to fight off the soul in the closet, and maybe her saying she’ll take Noelle to the festival if you ignore the fact that she only said it as an impulsive fuck you to Carol. I really hope the fandom sees that photo as the new version of Chapter 2’s “>a fucking pencil”.

I will take back every bad thing I've ever said about Toby if the next chapter goes like I think it will and Noelle has a breakdown when Susie doesn't really have feelings for her and Kris being around ruins their date.

I genuinely think that’s what’s going to happen. Noelle assumes it’ll just be the two of them then gets upset when Kris tags along, and Susie prioritizes hanging out with him over her.

If I’m wrong about all this and Suselle happens then Toby is mega gay and a hack.

 

[gaysexenjoyer]

Susie literally has a cuck chair ready to go in her room for Noelle. I will take back every bad thing I've ever said about Toby if the next chapter goes like I think it will and Noelle has a breakdown when Susie doesn't really have feelings for her and Kris being around ruins their date.

I unironically hope so just so that the most retarded parts of the fanbase freak out like Patchy the Pirate in the Spongebob Lost Episode special

 

[Local Wordmason]

I genuinely think that’s what’s going to happen. Noelle assumes it’ll just be the two of them then gets upset when Kris tags along, and Susie prioritizes hanging out with him over her.

I bet it happens both ways in the standard and weird routes. Noelle and Susie get annoyed when Kris shows up at the festival because the player obviously makes them go, but when Noelle sees the way Susie normally acts when Kris is around (if you think about it there hasn't been a whole lot of time where all three are together without some plot contrivance making them separate), and Noelle will realize that she isn't interested in that way, because I believe that her crush is only on the perception of Susie as a badass bully, which will probably make Susie upset, which I think is going to be a trend, things ending up less and less like Susie hoped which will slowly erode at her positivity. On the weird route, Susie will probably just get jealous of Kris and Noelle spending so much time together because her conflicting feelings about Kris.

There tends to be a way that things diverge between routes, then come back together to continue on like nothing happened so I doubt the relationships have that big of an impact on the plot as a whole. I still maintain that the relationships and unrequited feelings will be subverted and everyone will end up just friends. Just the vibe I get from the way things have been going I dunno.

 

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human...
i remember you're genocide

 

[Newcomer 42]

I am the one who got genuinely repulsed by Rouxls X Lanino X Elnina polycule scenes?

I didn't know that word was a thing, damn degenerates... Fortunately, Rou admits it's an underhanded way to acquire power through a loophole.

Alright, which tranny on the dev team decided to add a room that only says “Love Wins” and does absolutely nothing else, and why didn’t Toby have the balls to stop them? There’s no reason for this to exist at all other than to cause division.

Where's that? Is that the love tunnel from chapter 2?

And why the fuck is every single character gay? Did Pizzapants and the Nice Cream Guy really need to be a thing? Or Monster Teen and Snowy? Is Toby pushing for this or is the dev team full of yaoifags?

Hetero couples are hated by the politically correct sheeple.

One question though, is the fandom shitting their pants over people misgendering Kris and "erm achually it's they/them"ing a core tenant of being a fan of this game because I gave a cursory glance at the games subreddit and it's in literally every thread.

Playing the game I just assumed it used gender-neutral pronouns (like frisk) for the sake of self inserting on the part of the player and saving time from having to add like 40 lines of alternate dialogue, not a declaration of Kris's preferred in-universe identity. Was this word of god from Toby or what?

Woketards are annoying and they (heh) must claim anything not nailed down, and the generic 'he' pronoun is long gone. Hell, apparently even the robots from FNAF have pronouns in the wiki.

This reminds me, there's a scene in CH4 where Kris suddenly grabs her super close and she admits to literally drinking his shampoo lmao. Which I think is the second or third time Susie has indirectly mentioned that she likes how Kris smells.

She's seemingly always starving and eats anything and everything. Kinky.

I genuinely think that’s what’s going to happen. Noelle assumes it’ll just be the two of them then gets upset when Kris tags along, and Susie prioritizes hanging out with him over her.

I will be surprised if Noelle and Susie DO NOT end together OR nothing happens, as wokes hate hetero couples.

 

[Local Wordmason]

Alright, which tranny on the dev team decided to add a room that only says “Love Wins” and does absolutely nothing else, and why didn’t Toby have the balls to stop them? There’s no reason for this to exist at all other than to cause division.

I think thats a bit misleading because you get the choice between love and hate, and you can also have it say "Hate Wins". It just seems like a joke about moral choices in games being boiled down to romance or murder. I think people being so keen to assign lefty values to things just so they can shit on them is just as cringe as lefties putting their values on things. If people had a bit more faith I think they would see that it isn't as bad as they tell themselves it is.

 

[Mai]

le secret plot twist...your choices from your undertale playthrough directly impact the ending of deltatroon...like and share for more

 

[Deus Exica]

Just a random thought, shouldn't Kris be able to fight back against Susie's bullying in the beginning of chapter 1?

He doesn't want to. Kris is holding back, even with you and in the dark world. He does roughly double damage when he is the last one standing against The Knight in CH 3. It's how I managed to beat the boss.

Also Toby references Tsundere a lot so you know that's why she started bullying him in the first place

She bullies him because she is jealous of him having a mom that is as caring and loving as Toriel. In the Noelle blog she says Susie specifically mocks him about how his mom will be glad that he is dead because he is a freak but just winds up making herself cry instead.

genuinely think that’s what’s going to happen. Noelle assumes it’ll just be the two of them then gets upset when Kris tags along, and Susie prioritizes hanging out with him over her.

The whole of CH 4 really seems to hammer it home how Noelle is not approaching her crush very healthily, especially with how she is handling Kris as Susie's friend.

And there are all the instances where you can say weird shit that makes her do the cuck stare like how you and Susie were hanging out in the closet together or spent the whole night getting familiar with the couch.

I can still see Toby forcing Suselle because lesbians but Undyne and Alphys had the same dynamic but it wasnt portrayed with quite the same level of obsession and weirdness.

 

[Local Wordmason]

Undyne and Alphys had the same dynamic

That's the main thing that makes me think its going to be a subversion. You know it exists to make people want it to happen so it has more emotional weight when it doesn't because plot reasons. I refuse to believe that Toby would resort to the same relationship dynamic twice with two separate characters.

 

[Lapsus of the bepsus]

I can still see Toby forcing Suselle because lesbians but Undyne and Alphys had the same dynamic but it wasnt portrayed with quite the same level of obsession and weirdness.

the roles are partially flipped here, noelle is popular and desirable like undyne but also awkward and unconfident almost like alphys, while susie is the underdog but ballsy and doesnt give a fuck
also undyne and alphys were grown up not teenagers and they had very little of a relationship with frisk so you didnt have any way to influence how things develop. i think kris is one of the most interesting characters in the game right now and im hoping toby will leverage that and give us some funny outcomes

 

[Two Dollars]

I think thats a bit misleading because you get the choice between love and hate, and you can also have it say "Hate Wins". It just seems like a joke about moral choices in games being boiled down to romance or murder. I think people being so keen to assign lefty values to things just so they can shit on them is just as cringe as lefties putting their values on things. If people had a bit more faith I think they would see that it isn't as bad as they tell themselves it is.

>“I hate SJWs, but don’t you guys think anti-SJWs are just as bad?”
But really, they could have chosen anything else and gotten the same message across. There’s no way they picked “Love Wins” by pure coincidence.

And there are all the instances where you can say weird shit that makes her do the cuck stare like how you and Susie were hanging out in the closet together or spent the whole night getting familiar with the couch.

Wait, where’s the couch line? That sounds hilarious, and I’m disappointed that most playthroughs I saw chose the crime dialogue instead of the significantly funnier “hanging out in the closet together”.

While I’m thinking about it, best line in the game right here:

 

[Dr. Ricearoni]

Just a random thought, shouldn't Kris be able to fight back against Susie's bullying in the beginning of chapter 1? In Undertale, it talks about how humans greatly physically overpower monsters.
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This is the case in Undertale because human souls have DETERMINATION. In deltarune though, determination seems to work differently altogether, as monsters seem to possess it as well (which allows them to open dark fountains)

 

[Local Wordmason]

One last thing I wanted to point out was I think there's significance to the whole thing in the Chapter 4 dark world where the denizens claimed the statues were their ancestors, and when it gets reopened they get swapped, and the people that were statues are alive, and claim the people you talked to previously were their ancestors. I bet that' some subtle nod to the relationship between Undertale and Deltarune. Neither came first, its some weird causal loop based on perspective. Perspective changing also being something that gives the dark worlds the ability to exist in the first place.

 

[Lapsus of the bepsus]

One last thing I wanted to point out was I think there's significance to the whole thing in the Chapter 4 dark world where the denizens claimed the statues where their ancestors, and when it gets reopened they get swapped. I bet that is some subtle nod to the relationship between Undertale and Deltarune. Neither came first, its some weird causal loop based on perspective. Perspective changing also being something that gives the dark worlds the ability to exist in the first place.

that whole thing was one of my favorite parts about chapter 4, the church dark world is really interesting and i wouldnt mind seeing some callbacks to it in later chapters. the room with the darkners gathered around the statue and a hidden chest was really striking

 

[Lizard Machine Bugs]

I unironically hope so just so that the most retarded parts of the fanbase freak out like Patchy the Pirate in the Spongebob Lost Episode special

You get a moment to cuck her in chapter 4, before you go to her house you and Susie can have a short lunch date in the Diner and Noelle makes a pained expression.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Human souls > monster souls

Physically humans are still beat by a lot of monsters. The soul is what makes humans so powerful, and I don't think it would be in the DR souls interest to fucking vaporize the school bully.

It was always a retarded explanation that makes the whole background conflict meaningless so monsters get to be dindus.

 

[Smack Patrick]

It was always a retarded explanation that makes the whole background conflict meaningless so monsters get to be dindus.

>fall into some deep dark hole where monsters are
>first monster tries to kill me
>second monster saves me
>third monster tries to kill me
>second monster intervenes to stop it
>"forgive him child, #notallmonsters"
>forth monster tries to kill me
>literally every fucking monster I encounter tries to kill me or capture me
>don't kill any monsters not actively trying to kill me
>kill the ones that put me in a self defence situation

>get to the end of the monster cave and meet the king
>find out they murdered 6 other children before me on order of the king
>kill the king
>feel a sense of justice for getting revenge for the other humans
>leave monster cave
>feel bad for that one monster who saved me way back when
>days later
>get a phone call
>it's a skeleton
>"You are the reeeeal monster."

Genocide route in UT is 100% justified, change my mind.

 

[Cnidarian]

I mean it's super cannon that if a monster gets a human soul, they become so strong that they are capable of untold slaughter. The humans were right, that wall needs to be built.

And the monsters can be killed by anything with enough bad feelings behind it. A toddler could push a monster because he wants to hurt or play with them with equal force in either case and equal outside attitude. The start of the game was the best situation for everyone involved, and the Underground isn't even that bad of a place to live in, the later generations only cared about the surface as a kind of Jannah to reach through their victory. The game started with the best situation for both members of a species that had the potential to accidentally annihilate the other, with humanity already repudiating the ideal of "kill or be killed" by sparing all the monsters behind the barrier. Adulthood is realizing the Neutral ending makes more sense.

>literally every fucking monster I encounter tries to kill me or capture me
>don't kill any monsters not actively trying to kill me
>kill the ones that put me in a self defence situation

And that's what turns it from a tragedy into a farce. The game knows the player's natural response to its setting so that they can be condemned for the same thing that somebody, monster or human, will have to do on the surface once you've repented. It's Leftist Pathology: The Video Game.

 

[Local Wordmason]

You guys realize Undertale is about narrative tropes in video games and not race politics right? Nobody gives a shit that you didn't like it for (insert political reason)
Most of us that actually like the game just want to talk about theories.