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Yes, and what do you think happens when you pack up your catapults and leave?

I seriously wonder what you think the point of 'staying around' in the sandpits in the original foreverwars was, or what regime change is actually attempting to accomplish.

I can promise you the answer to that is the same reason you would see it happen here to a country of ninety million people.
Our mistake was trying to nation build and introduce democracy to a people who didn't want it.
Our mistake was trying to play politics and sponser militants that became the terrorists of tomorrow.
Our best option is to use our air superiority to level their leadership, cripple their military infrastructure and let whoever is left of the 90 million locals pick up th pieces, be it as a unified Iran or a collection of warlord states.

That would accomplish the goals of preventing Iran from being a player in the ME, without the need for a forever war.
 
What does Iran have that could close the Strait that we can't counter is the real question. Is it something that magically makes the Strait closed that we can't do anything about? More taking us to small claims court? Ever since this started Iran has been abandoned by everyone that was, in theory, on their side, and have been flailing relatively ineffectively ever since, so why are people still assuming that there's some secret hyper-competent Iranian response coming?

Oh, they fired ballistic missiles at Tel Aviv? Great, what exactly has that accomplished for them? Has it stopped the Israelis from shitting on them? Has it moved Iran out of the status of The Raped? This time, the consequences will be different?
The Iranians have a lamp with one wish left and it’s flying carpets are battle ready.
Welp, guess we bombing harder now. How long before boots on the ground becomes necessary? I give it two weeks.

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I unironically think Trump would nuke Iran before he would put boots on the ground.
 
No way. Banning him was great. He should be thread banned from more threads.
Threadbanning Catch the Rainbow was a mistake. Look at the trash that runs in to go apeshit over relatively nothing now.
That guy has to be one of the dumbest Jews I’ve ever seen. His hasbara is hopeless and his pilpul pathetic. Dude just isn’t cut out for volunteer JIDF duty, he should be picking olives on a kibbutz or something instead.
 
Our best option is to use our air superiority to level their leadership, cripple their military infrastructure and let whoever is left of the 90 million locals pick up th pieces, be it as a unified Iran or a collection of warlord states.
"The last 30 times we tried this it didn't work but...it just will this time okay!?"
 
Our mistake was trying to nation build and introduce democracy to a people who didn't want it.
Our mistake was trying to play politics and sponser militants that became the terrorists of tomorrow.
Our best option is to use our air superiority to level their leadership, cripple their military infrastructure and let whoever is left of the 90 million locals pick up th pieces, be it as a unified Iran or a collection of warlord states.

That would accomplish the goals of preventing Iran from being a player in the ME, without the need for a forever war.
You did not respond to the point, nor even attempt to, so I'll posit it to you again. What do you think:
the point of 'staying around' in the sandpits in the original foreverwars was, or what regime change is actually attempting to accomplish
because it's as I said, the same exact reason it'll end the same way this time if Israel doesn't take this as 'enough' for their purposes. Since they apparently have some form of leverage (copies of the Epstein tapes most likely) that allows them to control our government's actions abroad to this extent.
 
Good lord I'm tired of my social media feed getting flooded with "omg guys WW3 oh my god its so over what are me and my family going to dooooo"

It shows you the geopolitical intelligence of the average voter. WW3 with who nigga? Yeah, Russia is totally going to going to declare war on the US over Iran, and we all know the great totally real Chinese-Iranian defensive pact will be activated.

I mean, direct war with Iran would be terrible, don't get me wrong...but ffs it's not WW3.

Do these people have memories of a goldfish? Trump did this with his first term and made an Iranian general meet Allah.

Also wtf could Iran even do realistically? The worst thing they could possibly do is orchestrate a massive terrorist attack on US soil, or more likely do what they did the last time which is sperg fire some more missiles and go "alright we're done"

However, if I'm wrong and war does happen I declare I shall wear a burgersuit until the end of Trump's presidency.
If it involves the US, it's ww3, the burgers have not seen even a taste of war that seriously effects them for too long. That's why they're all fat, lazy and overconfident.
 
I have a feeling there's a lot of Chinese generals with somewhat puckered assholes right now, very concerned about a particular dam
There's no chance in hell that we're ever going to strike the Three Gorges Dam in a non WW3 scenario. If it ever did get destroyed it would lead to the deaths of millions of bugmen and affect the lives of hundreds of millions. That would be tantamount to a nuclear strike on China and would lead to a total mutually assured destruction scenario to both America and China.
 
Being able to remember things that happened more than 5mins ago is apparently impossible for most people
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Wow, a contextless chart. What, exactly, am I looking at and how, exactly, does this show we can't cornhole the Iranians?

Do tell me who you think you're speaking for when using this word, because the specifics are rather pertinent to this conversation.

Because you sure as fuck aren't given license to include me in your 'we', just for sharing the same country of origin.
Calm your autistic tits, the context in this case is We is America in the geopolitical sense, not the individual person sense. You can have whatever belief and opinion you want. If you don't like what America is doing geopolitically, what are you going to do about besides autistically sperg out on a gossip forum?
 
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2 weeks to flatten the curve.
All I know is all the thread tourists are shrieking it's two more weeks to another forever war, while the administration is flat out saying we aren't sending soldiers to Iran. Who do I believe? The president and his vice president or online retards who want to troll Trump supporters?
 
Where do you think all these Iranians are going to go when Israel turns the entire middle east into bombed out, chaotic shithole run by roving warlords
Maybe we shouldn't take them in this time... If we had actual leaders that look out for the country they governed that wouldn't be a problem at all. The problem is that in countries like Germany or France, the electorate keep getting cucked by the established liberal political class which also control the media. Both the AfD and the Front National should have won the last parliamentary elections in these countries. If these parties were in power, as they should, this argument wouldn't even apply.
 
Gen X'er has done a complete 180 in the past year
It's just because it's a military action. A huge percentage of Gen Xers are against anything that seems like war. They're obsessed with the star trek vision of the future and still think that all other countries are good boys who just want to be given a chance to come into the modern world and if the west disarmed itself we would all get along peacefully and build multicultural spaceships where we do heckin' science and live for 500 years.

It seems a good amount are being redpilled based on the 2024 exit polls though.
 
Our mistake was trying to nation build and introduce democracy to a people who didn't want it.
Our mistake was trying to play politics and sponser militants that became the terrorists of tomorrow.
Our best option is to use our air superiority to level their leadership, cripple their military infrastructure and let whoever is left of the 90 million locals pick up th pieces, be it as a unified Iran or a collection of warlord states.

That would accomplish the goals of preventing Iran from being a player in the ME, without the need for a forever war.
Bombing a country to rubble and then leaving the country alone to form their own government in the aftermath is a long-term plan so retarded that even Jews are going to see what's wrong with it. You're going to end up with Iran ruled by Super ISIS.
 
Calm your autistic tits, the context in this case is We is America in the geopolitical sense, not the individual person sense.
Then just say the U.S. government. It's more accurate and isn't laden with 'hello fellow x' energy.

Not going to apologize for calling out manipulative language.
 
All I know is all the thread tourists are shrieking it's two more weeks to another forever war, while the administration is flat out saying we aren't sending soldiers to Iran. Who do I believe? The president and his vice president or online retards who want to troll Trump supporters?
How fucking stupid are you, they spent the last month saying they were close to a negotiated deal with Iran, then Israel sucker punches them, and we spend the next week demanding they come back to the negotiating table and then just bomb them anyway, why should I believe a fucking word out of their mouth?
 
There's no chance in hell that we're ever going to strike the Three Gorges Dam in a non WW3 scenario. If it ever did get destroyed it would lead to the deaths of millions of bugmen and affect the lives of hundreds of millions. That would be tantamount to a nuclear strike on China and would lead to a total mutually assured destruction scenario to both America and China.
But China has to think about it, they can't take that option off the table because the possibility exists. And yes, it would utterly destroy modern China and have vast consequences downstream, but the option has to be on the table. Just like the Chinese keep being caught bringing blights and molds and such into the US and putting back doors into power grid machinery that they could potentially hack and shut down later.
 
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