Fear and Loathing in Casa de Chandler

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I dont think theres much of a relationship honestly. Just Chris doing whatever he feels like, and Barb sprawled out on the bed, filled with depression, sloth and crazy thoughts.
Like or respect each other? I really don't think so.
Chris doesn't love his mother per se, he loves what she can do for him, and is terrified of losing her and being on his own ( as well he should.)
Barb likely did love Chris at one point, but I don't think it is the case now. She probably half despises him for what a loud autistic burden he has been on her for all these years, and does not love him in the sense of wanting whats best for him. Barb wants what is best for Barb, and that does not include giving her son the means for an independnet life.
 
I used to take care of a non-verbal autistic man in his 20`s. This was a very good gig for me at the time, as the pay was good and the work was set to be pretty easy. The situation, I am reminded now, was eerily similar to the Chandlers' current situation.

During my orientation meeting, I was surprised at how much time was dedicated on how the mother would be a challenge to my role as caretaker. Even though I was part of a group which included medical doctors, therapists, a bevvy of social workers and psychiatrists; the mother's wishes could overturn virtually any suggestions made by any member of the staff. And she made use of that power all the fucking time.

My first day at the house, it all became obvious that I was walking into a fucked up type situation. First of all, there was a note from the city on the front door outlining the consequences which would befall the homeowners if their trash was not picked up (there was a row of trashcans on the curb, but I had not noticed at the time that it was not garbage day.) Inside, there was shit everywhere. Boxes chock-full of dollar-store-tier toys, pool toys, plastic piping, shit DVD series from tv promotions: 'Golden Girls: TV appearances,' 'The year 2000 in Hockey' etc. The sort of thing I had only ever seen on TV. There was supposed to be a box with my picture in it, to show Autistic Man and remind him that I was new and coming to see him (if he had the picture in his hand and saw me, it was supposed to ease his mind or something.) I would quickly learn that Mother was a shut-in, and purchased everything online. That, or she made us caretakers leave her autistic son alone and buy fucking groceries. Of course, her son was a nervous wreck. Our job was to rehabilitate this poor kid for the eventuality of his mother's death. Even non-verbal autistic people can contribute to society if properly supported and supervised.

Not in that house though.

Mother would have none of it. She was very weary about letting her son out of the house, and she much preferred that we stay close by. One of our projects had been to try to get Acoustic Man ready to move out. Mother had pleaded and bargained until the compromise which was reached was to have him move in the basement of the same house. Oh yeah, and the house was so fucking disgusting, that one day when I went to find clean clothing for Autistic Man, there were maggots in his closet. Probably a result from her bringing food to his bedroom whenever he wanted it, and leaving the dirty plates there for weeks at a time (pretty much until one of us took care of it.)

It's simple, really. She had become dependent on her son, as much as he was dependent on her. Her life revolved around ordering pizza, watching Nancy Grace and old Battlestar Gallactica episodes. The last time I saw her she was saving enough money to go on a cruise to see Dirk Benedict. Predictably, she did not end up going. She found all of her life's meaning in her relationship to her son; which was toxic. She gave him everything he wanted, when he wanted (which, you know, makes the breaking-the-autist-out-of-his-shell job impossible) and he gave her satisfaction that she wasn't just a leeching fat-ass, watching TV and eating junk food all day. Even though, to be fair, the caretakers were doing most of the work.

Maybe it's because I have this experience that I never did wonder about the relationship between Chris and Barb. What else does she have going for her? How would she possibly feel like an accomplished individual if it wasn't for her son? Chris needs her, and that gives her reason to be. Ain't no homo troll gon' get in the way of that love. When she dies, Chris will be as lost as Autistic Man, I imagine. Severed from Barb, he'll probably bounce around from caretaker to caretaker until they get sick of his shit. He'll either commit a crime and be jailed, or he'll have to be put in a ward where a well-meaning, but weary psychiatrist at the end of his rope will prescribe him some drug to null most of Chris out. I think that's what they did to Autistic Man. Last time I checked in with the staff, my coworker was playing 3DS in their living room while Autistic Man drooled and made animal noises.

I quit the job a few months in, because it was too ridiculous. I don't even feel bad for stealing the original Twilight Zone series on DVD. There's no way anyone would notice.

*tl;dr Chris and Barb are co-dependent. When one goes, the other will not survive long.
 
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@warongiygas, that has to be easily one of the most sobering things I've read in the last week.

Posts like that kinda make me wish Chris was trolling the site, and would pay attention long enough to read something like that. His path is decidedly becoming dimmer and he just out and out refuses to listen to the onlookers telling him he's about to fly off of a cliff.
 
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I used to take care of a non-verbal autistic man in his 20`s. This was a very good gig for me at the time, as the pay was good and the work was set to be pretty easy. The situation, I am reminded now, was eerily similar to the Chandlers' current situation.

During my orientation meeting, I was surprised at how much time was dedicated on how the mother would be a challenge to my role as caretaker. Even though I was part of a group which included medical doctors, therapists, a bevvy of social workers and psychiatrists; the mother's wishes could overturn virtually any suggestions made by any member of the staff. And she made use of that power all the fucking time.

My first day at the house, it all became obvious that I was walking into a fucked up type situation. First of all, there was a note from the city on the front door outlining the consequences which would befall the homeowners if their trash was not picked up (there was a row of trashcans on the curb, but I had not noticed at the time that it was not garbage day.) Inside, there was shit everywhere. Boxes chock-full of dollar-store-tier toys, pool toys, plastic piping, shit DVD series from tv promotions: 'Golden Girls: TV appearances,' 'The year 2000 in Hockey' etc. The sort of thing I had only ever seen on TV. There was supposed to be a box with my picture in it, to show Autistic Man and remind him that I was new and coming to see him (if he had the picture in his hand and saw me, it was supposed to ease his mind or something.) I would quickly learn that Mother was a shut-in, and purchased everything online. That, or she made us caretakers leave her autistic son alone and buy fucking groceries. Of course, her son was a nervous wreck. Our job was to rehabilitate this poor kid for the eventuality of his mother's death. Even non-verbal autistic people can contribute to society if properly supported and supervised.

Not in that house though.

Mother would have none of it. She was very weary about letting her son out of the house, and she much preferred that we stay close by. One of our projects had been to try to get Acoustic Man ready to move out. Mother had pleaded and bargained until the compromise which was reached was to have him move in the basement of the same house. Oh yeah, and the house was so fucking disgusting, that one day when I went to find clean clothing for Autistic Man, there were maggots in his closet. Probably a result from her bringing food to his bedroom whenever he wanted it, and leaving the dirty plates there for weeks at a time (pretty much until one of us took care of it.)

It's simple, really. She had become dependent on her son, as much as he was dependent on her. Her life revolved around ordering pizza, watching Nancy Grace and old Battlestar Gallactica episodes. The last time I saw her she was saving enough money to go on a cruise to see Dirk Benedict. Predictably, she did not end up going. She found all of her life's meaning in her relationship to her son; which was toxic. She gave him everything he wanted, when he wanted (which, you know, makes the breaking-the-autist-out-of-his-shell job impossible) and he gave her satisfaction that she wasn't just a leeching fat-ass, watching TV and eating junk food all day. Even though, to be fair, the caretakers were doing most of the work.

Maybe it's because I have this experience that I never did wonder about the relationship between Chris and Barb. What else does she have going for her? How would she possibly feel like an accomplished individual if it wasn't for her son? Chris needs her, and that gives her reason to be. Ain't no homo troll gon' get in the way of that love. When she dies, Chris will be as lost as Autistic Man, I imagine. Severed from Barb, he'll probably bounce around from caretaker to caretaker until they get sick of his shit. He'll either commit a crime and be jailed, or he'll have to be put in a ward where a well-meaning, but weary psychiatrist at the end of his rope will prescribe him some drug to null most of Chris out. I think that's what they did to Autistic Man. Last time I checked in with the staff, my coworker was playing 3DS in their living room while Autistic Man drooled and made animal noises.

I quit the job a few months in, because it was too ridiculous. I don't even feel bad for stealing the original Twilight Zone series on DVD. There's no way anyone would notice.

*tl;dr Chris and Barb are co-dependent. When one goes, the other will not survive long.

That's just sad... But also confirms my theory that any autistic people can be productive if they are raised to be part of society. I'm starting to think that there are still too many Americans who think autism is a terminal disease. Not to mention, unlike Vietnam, America is more than willing to provide resources for families with autistic children at the expense of taxpayer's money which shows how much willing the American government will sacrifice just to educate their people what autism really is. Back in Vietnam, some forms of autism is seen as a form of evil spirits possessing a person and shamans would be called in to perform exorcisms on these people. In America, they don't perform exorcisms on autistic people or at least that's what I hear so far.

You also mentioned how the mother keeps giving her adult son junk food. Sounds like she's been doing that since he was born. Last time I checked in America, feeding your children junk food into obesity is considered child abuse. What I don't understand is that how come feeding an adult child junk food into morbid obesity is not classified as domestic abuse? Sometimes, I can't tell if in rural America, coddling an autistic child for eternity as if he was suffering from cancer is the norm here.

Maybe autism in America can bond a son with his mother for better or for worse. I think that mother you mentioned wanted something that is the easiest "win-win" situation for her and her autistic son where both get to enjoy themselves doing what they want. But in the end, its all about how an autistic person was raised that defines them in the future from my observations on autistic people. Taking the hard route brings bigger reliefs and results in the long run than easier routes. In America from my views, there are many routes. But back in Vietnam, there is only the hard route due to lack of resources in Vietnam compared to America.

I wouldn't be surprised if Chris decided to commit suicide when his mother is gone but that's just me.
 
Suicide? No risk, Death by Autism? Afraid so...

Also: +1 on Warongiygas input!
 
I used to take care of a non-verbal autistic man in his 20`s. This was a very good gig for me at the time, as the pay was good and the work was set to be pretty easy. The situation, I am reminded now, was eerily similar to the Chandlers' current situation.

During my orientation meeting, I was surprised at how much time was dedicated on how the mother would be a challenge to my role as caretaker. Even though I was part of a group which included medical doctors, therapists, a bevvy of social workers and psychiatrists; the mother's wishes could overturn virtually any suggestions made by any member of the staff. And she made use of that power all the fucking time.

My first day at the house, it all became obvious that I was walking into a fucked up type situation. First of all, there was a note from the city on the front door outlining the consequences which would befall the homeowners if their trash was not picked up (there was a row of trashcans on the curb, but I had not noticed at the time that it was not garbage day.) Inside, there was shit everywhere. Boxes chock-full of dollar-store-tier toys, pool toys, plastic piping, shit DVD series from tv promotions: 'Golden Girls: TV appearances,' 'The year 2000 in Hockey' etc. The sort of thing I had only ever seen on TV. There was supposed to be a box with my picture in it, to show Autistic Man and remind him that I was new and coming to see him (if he had the picture in his hand and saw me, it was supposed to ease his mind or something.) I would quickly learn that Mother was a shut-in, and purchased everything online. That, or she made us caretakers leave her autistic son alone and buy fucking groceries. Of course, her son was a nervous wreck. Our job was to rehabilitate this poor kid for the eventuality of his mother's death. Even non-verbal autistic people can contribute to society if properly supported and supervised.

Not in that house though.

Mother would have none of it. She was very weary about letting her son out of the house, and she much preferred that we stay close by. One of our projects had been to try to get Acoustic Man ready to move out. Mother had pleaded and bargained until the compromise which was reached was to have him move in the basement of the same house. Oh yeah, and the house was so fucking disgusting, that one day when I went to find clean clothing for Autistic Man, there were maggots in his closet. Probably a result from her bringing food to his bedroom whenever he wanted it, and leaving the dirty plates there for weeks at a time (pretty much until one of us took care of it.)

It's simple, really. She had become dependent on her son, as much as he was dependent on her. Her life revolved around ordering pizza, watching Nancy Grace and old Battlestar Gallactica episodes. The last time I saw her she was saving enough money to go on a cruise to see Dirk Benedict. Predictably, she did not end up going. She found all of her life's meaning in her relationship to her son; which was toxic. She gave him everything he wanted, when he wanted (which, you know, makes the breaking-the-autist-out-of-his-shell job impossible) and he gave her satisfaction that she wasn't just a leeching fat-ass, watching TV and eating junk food all day. Even though, to be fair, the caretakers were doing most of the work.

Maybe it's because I have this experience that I never did wonder about the relationship between Chris and Barb. What else does she have going for her? How would she possibly feel like an accomplished individual if it wasn't for her son? Chris needs her, and that gives her reason to be. Ain't no homo troll gon' get in the way of that love. When she dies, Chris will be as lost as Autistic Man, I imagine. Severed from Barb, he'll probably bounce around from caretaker to caretaker until they get sick of his shit. He'll either commit a crime and be jailed, or he'll have to be put in a ward where a well-meaning, but weary psychiatrist at the end of his rope will prescribe him some drug to null most of Chris out. I think that's what they did to Autistic Man. Last time I checked in with the staff, my coworker was playing 3DS in their living room while Autistic Man drooled and made animal noises.

I quit the job a few months in, because it was too ridiculous. I don't even feel bad for stealing the original Twilight Zone series on DVD. There's no way anyone would notice.

*tl;dr Chris and Barb are co-dependent. When one goes, the other will not survive long.

WOW.I'm also HFA and that story reminds me of the time I spent 2 weeks in a group home with other disabled individuals while my dad was taking a well deserved holiday in Vietnam.

When I arrived on a Friday, there were carers there to greet me, huge loud mouthed twins and a girl with downs syndrome who I had already met before. The twins absolutely drove me up the wall during the first week of my stay. I couldn't really relax after I came back from work (I still had to go to work because I saw it as a stepping stone to independent living rather than a holiday). And one day while I was at work I received a call from one of the carers saying I had to go somewhere with them. I got so distressed that I called my job coordinator and had to leave work early. I was really glad to see them go on the next Thursday.

That weekend we had more people come in. Only two of them could talk; one of them was in a wheelchair and the other one thought everything was a game. On the Saturday I wanted to go to a festival but I had to wait for the others to wake up and have breakfast before we could go anywhere. I woke up at 7 but I wasn't off till noon. It took 20 minutes for one of the other guests to get in the van. She was up the steps and then she went back down again. It was really annoying.

The following Monday they all left but over the next week there was another guest who worked at a childcare centre and had other social activity but she was psychotic and then when she left I would up with two other people who were not very high functioning. One of them kept telling me "You're funny". I asked him how I was funny and he gave me no answer. Anyway group living was a bit rough for me because sometimes I had to hang with people who annoyed the crap out of me.

But that stay mad me realise I was very lucky to have a father who was committed to getting me through university and becoming a contributing member of society (my communication skills are a bit rusty since I was focused on my studies for the last 10 years).

Maybe Chris can do a 180 on his life. Of course it would require a lot of guidance and it would be very unlikely for him to accept it but it can be done.
 
WOW.I'm also HFA and that story reminds me of the time I spent 2 weeks in a group home with other disabled individuals while my dad was taking a well deserved holiday in Vietnam.

When I arrived on a Friday, there were carers there to greet me, huge loud mouthed twins and a girl with downs syndrome who I had already met before. The twins absolutely drove me up the wall during the first week of my stay. I couldn't really relax after I came back from work (I still had to go to work because I saw it as a stepping stone to independent living rather than a holiday). And one day while I was at work I received a call from one of the carers saying I had to go somewhere with them. I got so distressed that I called my job coordinator and had to leave work early. I was really glad to see them go on the next Thursday.

That weekend we had more people come in. Only two of them could talk; one of them was in a wheelchair and the other one thought everything was a game. On the Saturday I wanted to go to a festival but I had to wait for the others to wake up and have breakfast before we could go anywhere. I woke up at 7 but I wasn't off till noon. It took 20 minutes for one of the other guests to get in the van. She was up the steps and then she went back down again. It was really annoying.

The following Monday they all left but over the next week there was another guest who worked at a childcare centre and had other social activity but she was psychotic and then when she left I would up with two other people who were not very high functioning. One of them kept telling me "You're funny". I asked him how I was funny and he gave me no answer. Anyway group living was a bit rough for me because sometimes I had to hang with people who annoyed the crap out of me.

But that stay mad me realise I was very lucky to have a father who was committed to getting me through university and becoming a contributing member of society (my communication skills are a bit rusty since I was focused on my studies for the last 10 years).

Maybe Chris can do a 180 on his life. Of course it would require a lot of guidance and it would be very unlikely for him to accept it but it can be done.

And sadly, that will take a lot of effort. We're talking about a 32 year old man who only has a CADD degree and an associate degree with no real job experience (maybe except Wendy's), depressed, refusing to work, have bad credit, have no working knowledge of how money really works, entitlement issues, lack of work ethics, coddled by his mom throughout his life, have little to no social interaction, etc. The biggest change will have to be on OPL. Only he can make himself productive. Society can only provide him resources. He'll just shit and do nothing you know. Ten years later, he may be unemployable and probably won't live before retirement age.
 
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WOW.I'm also HFA and that story reminds me of the time I spent 2 weeks in a group home with other disabled individuals while my dad was taking a well deserved holiday in Vietnam.

When I arrived on a Friday, there were carers there to greet me, huge loud mouthed twins and a girl with downs syndrome who I had already met before. The twins absolutely drove me up the wall during the first week of my stay. I couldn't really relax after I came back from work (I still had to go to work because I saw it as a stepping stone to independent living rather than a holiday). And one day while I was at work I received a call from one of the carers saying I had to go somewhere with them. I got so distressed that I called my job coordinator and had to leave work early. I was really glad to see them go on the next Thursday.

That weekend we had more people come in. Only two of them could talk; one of them was in a wheelchair and the other one thought everything was a game. On the Saturday I wanted to go to a festival but I had to wait for the others to wake up and have breakfast before we could go anywhere. I woke up at 7 but I wasn't off till noon. It took 20 minutes for one of the other guests to get in the van. She was up the steps and then she went back down again. It was really annoying.

The following Monday they all left but over the next week there was another guest who worked at a childcare centre and had other social activity but she was psychotic and then when she left I would up with two other people who were not very high functioning. One of them kept telling me "You're funny". I asked him how I was funny and he gave me no answer. Anyway group living was a bit rough for me because sometimes I had to hang with people who annoyed the crap out of me.

But that stay mad me realise I was very lucky to have a father who was committed to getting me through university and becoming a contributing member of society (my communication skills are a bit rusty since I was focused on my studies for the last 10 years).

Maybe Chris can do a 180 on his life. Of course it would require a lot of guidance and it would be very unlikely for him to accept it but it can be done.

That sounds like a really annoying 2 week stay. I'm glad to hear you pushed yourself like you did though, and I'm happy that your father helped you. I'm a firm believer that people with autism need to be reared in the right kind of environment. If parents educate themselves on the unique challenges facing their children, they're more likely to recognize and surmount those challenges. That can be applied to parenting in general though. The problem is if a parent is a lazy fuckup, a kid with autism doesn't have the necessary motivation to make something of themselves. They get stuck in dangerous routines centered on self-gratification and immediate satisfaction, which would not be possible were it not for a whole social system that can allow them to coast through life. This is sad, because those social systems are designed to help people with autism and they're just being abused by lazy parents.

This leads to individuals like Chris though. I don't see him changing anytime soon. So long as he's got his tugboat and his mum to tell him he's perfect, it's the rest of the world that needs to change.
 
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Lots of fundie religious sects perform exorcisms now. At least with a Catholic one, there's some kind of chain of command. Those other guys are just nuts.
 
Autism is not the cause of evil spirits or demons. It's not something that can be cured or exorcized from a person's system. Though I wish that ignorance was...

Chris and Barb remind me so much of my paternal aunt, uncle and grandmother that it isn't funny. Only difference is that Barb seems to have tightened the apron strings more than the purse strings, while my grandmother did both equally. My dad is very much the Cole Smithey in the relationship in that he stood up to Mommy Dearest and left the house to start his own life. My paternal grandfather was only a year or two younger than Bob when he died last January (and interestingly, his name is also Bob) and my grandmother couldn't be any more than ten years older than Barb. Meanwhile, my aunt and uncle are stuck living with her despite the fact that they both are in their early to late 50s, and my uncle is probably autistic himself. The only thing distancing them from being like Chris and his family is that my father and his siblings all have careers, and my grandmother isn't a hoarder(as far as I know).

I have don't have anymore of an idea of what will happen to my aunt and uncle once my grandmother finally coughs up herself. The same can be said for Chris, but I have a pretty good idea that neither of them will have a happy ending. My uncle works as a lawyer and I'm sure will make decent money without my grandmother tightening the purse strings, and I'm not sure about my aunt, but last I heard she was dating a guy who works at an airport out of state. They are both unmarried, estranged from my father and most of their own family, and likely unable to have children even if they wanted to because they wouldn't stand up to her.

Chris may not be a spring chicken himself(and I'm sure his poor eating habits haven't helped for that matter) but I still like to think that he can save himself from Barbed Wire. If he wasn't raised to be so complacent, and if he tried to learn some independent living skills, I think he could save himself. I hope that it isn't too late, but I fear(and perhaps know) that it may well be...
 
I think it's the same way teenagers deal with their parents because that's where he is mentally. But honestly I don't think he cares anymore about her only because I don't think he has the mental capacity to really understand.

This will all change when Snorlax bites the dust. Chris won't know what to do, panics, tries to become the Tomgirl prostitute of his dreams, shits himself, then sets wherever he ends up residing at on fire to "burn away" the horrible memories of the past 34 years of his wasted life. Ten days later, after OPL has calmed down, he will realize that, "Holy shit, I incinerated my mothers corse and horde 2.0". This realization will come of course, after he is sitting in a jail cell or mental house and he realizes that there is absolutely no way out and his starts to care and miss his parents. Maybe, just maybe, something in that 10 year old brain of his will click, and OPL will show true remorse, and maybe some gratefulness for his parents putting up with his autistic ass.
 
Chris is screwed and Barb just sees him as a cuddle bunny because she's so nasty that everyone else in her life wants nothing to do with her.
 
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