Inactive Elliot Rodger - The Supreme Gentleman

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The Froon said:
Well, I tried to post my opinion this morning but it got deleted by Mods (twice). I guess the only comments allowed here are from those with a herd mentality. Sorry if any of my opinions may have differed from the Official Groupthink .
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I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure statements like this just further call attention to you rather than diverting it. Unless that's what you wanted all along. Maybe if you spent more time discussing the topic at hand and less so on the small details like how much you want to see specific places abolished from the map, you would be received a little more warmly.
 
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Bgheff said:
Likely not many, as he was passive as fuck. he simply walked by girls or would sit in a spot (Hi Chris) and wait for a girl to ask him out.
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More like none.

He was a supreme gentleman, the ultimate alpha male, a perfect 10\10 specimen of a human being. Women should approach him, talk to him and give him compliments. If not throw themselves at his feet.

But they didn't. They never did. And he never asked them out either because he did not believe he had to. All he did was get drunk and wander off into town, believing that once his inhibitions were slowed down by alcohol, women would naturally be drawn to his "exotic beautiful eyes" and his "amazing facial structure". And how could they not be turned on by his genius level intelligence, his talent and his amazing family tree?

Also despite being half Malaysian-Chinese on his mother's side of the family, he he would never consider a black or Asian girl no matter how good her looks. He only ever had eyes for blonde, popular and tall girls. Chris considered the Wallflower, who was not exactly a looker. Elliot would have laughed his gay little super villain laugh at that - his standards were insanely high.

We're talking about a guy who thinks believing in it hard enough will make him win lotteries. A guy who believed every movie script he'd write was bound to make him a multimillionaire and who had daydreams about being an almighty Godlike ruler deciding over the life and death of his citizens. Would a guy who in his own mind is an all-powerful King, ever settle for anything less then his perfect, (basically-promised) Queen?
 
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Protoman said:
By your definition of madness, insanity is a lack of rationality and the inability to self-reflect. That's a fair enough definition, but I think it's different from what AtroposHeart is talking about. Atropos is talking about mental illness - an issue with a brain that is caused purely by biological circumstances rather than social ones. By your definition, I'd argue that madness could just as easily be a product of culture as it might be a matter of chemical imbalance. Irrationality and narcissism can be taught as well as inherited.

That being said, I'd like to reiterate my own point - I don't think you can argue that either mental illness or culture are solely to blame for this. Neither would have caused this to happen if the other wasn't in place first. Elliot was a product of his defective biology as well as his defective upbringing. He was a narcissist whose delusions regarding self importance were constantly confirmed by those around him. Had he simply been a narcissist living in a lower or middle class home, he would likely have expressed his delusions in another way, perhaps just as violent, perhaps not. If he'd simply been a spoiled kid who believed women were objects but lacked any signs of mental illnesses whatsoever, he would have likely continued disrespecting women who didn't enjoy his company, but his less-repressed ability to self-reflect might have helped him learn how to manipulate some poor woman into being with him for at least a night.

You can't make 2 with only a single 1.
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You can if you break it in half. After all, even if his narcicissm is learned, there'd still have to be an internal means of support for him to take it as far as he did. Really, it's kind of like alcoholism; no amount of promotion will prompt someone to become dependent on booze if they don't like its taste or effects. This kid's biology was obviously fucked if it allowed him to become as extreme as he did, and culture can hardly be blamed. He's a spitting image of Cho and Harris, and they couldn't be more culturally different if they tried. Like them, this kid was just nuts
 
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The Froon said:
Well, I tried to post my opinion this morning but it got deleted by Mods (twice). I guess the only comments allowed here are from those with a herd mentality. Sorry if any of my opinions may have differed from the Official Groupthink .
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I don't like these people living in this place. I hope a natural disaster takes place there and they all end up below sea level.

You said that. You literally said that. Right after a madman murders six people in said area. I read back your comments and they are appalling and I very much doubt there is any way, shape or form in which you can justify any of it. You blame this opinion of yours on your own negative experiences in California. I am curious to hear about them so maybe we can all understand you a little better.

As far as California goes, my cousin and his girlfriend who are quite dear to me live there. I would not like to see them drowned or shot, even though my cousin is probably the type of "jerk" people like Elliot hated for taking all the pretty girls and leaving him with none. That type of sentiment has no place here. But because we're a pretty chill environment and all that, I have to ask... where does it come from and what made you so bitter? Don't be afraid to answer. ;)
 
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AtroposHeart said:
Oh, really now? How come then that the insanity plea almost NEVER works and most killers are judge as sane enough to commit the murders they did?
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Because to be legally crazy enough to be innocent of a crime you have to had no idea what you were doing is wrong. For example... "I killed them because the devil made me do it" means that you are aware that your actions are wrong because the devil is 'evil'. "God told me I had to end their earthly suffering" is a very different thing. Also, did they try and conceal the crime etc. If you're still sitting in the crime scene in a tinfoil hat and drinking high tea whilst covered in green jelly then you might just be declared legally incapable of knowing what the fuck you were doing.

Elliot knew what he was doing was socially unacceptable. It was petty revenge. Because he could tell that what he was doing was wrong means that he would have had to stand trial. This has no baring on his actual mental health issues. It's just that one bit... Could he tell right from wrong?
 
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The Froon said:
I tried to answer that question (twice) but the Mods keep deleting it. Guess they just prefer that people keep having a wrong opinion of me and not allow me to set the record straight.
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Froon, no matter what happened to you in California, I promise you it could easily have happened anywhere else under the right circumstances. Moreover, those assholes are not representative of all, or most, Californians. Really, no good comes from wanting to punish the majority for the perceived injustices caused by a few, which is the lesson with this Rodgers guy. After all, it's better that 1,000 guilty go free before a single innocent is punished
 
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John Titor said:
Thank you for saying what I never been able to. I got fed up with reading so many "I hope California sinks into the ocean" comments. I don't believe in that whole "State Pride" nonsense and I do acknowledge the many flaws it has but it's still my home.
Frankly, I don't like New York but I don't want them dead.


I'm a Southern California native, what about it?
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Nice to see a fellow Californian here.

Frankly, I don't get the idea of generalizing an entire state for the actions of one person. Just seems rather... silly to put it lightly.
 
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The Froon said:
I tried to answer that question (twice) but the Mods keep deleting it. Guess they just prefer that people keep having a wrong opinion of me and not allow me to set the record straight.
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Christ, we got another one of these. Fine, the mods hate you. Let's all stop talking about it and go back to Rodger.
 
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Just started reading more into the Elliot Rodger stuff. Well at least going beyond the headlines. So what has the loveshy reaction been? Have they been all "Yay this guy did what we couldn't" and shit?
 
DrChristianTroy said:
Just started reading more into the Elliot Rodger stuff. Well at least going beyond the headlines. So what has the loveshy reaction been? Have they been all "Yay this guy did what we couldn't" and shit?
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Some of them, particularly over on the wizard board.
 
DrChristianTroy said:
Doesn't sound like too many then. Surprised the reaction from them wasn't unanimously positive.
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Elliot is a serious problem for many of them. He was not hideous and he had money. Where were the gold-digging shallow sluts?

In a similar manner, I think Elliot may have tried to blame his lack of luck with the ladies on being part Asian and short (by his own standards). So seeing short men or guys with darker skin than him with girls probably made him rage more than seeing a 6'2" blonde guy with a girl.
 
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teheviltwin said:
Elliot is a serious problem for many of them.
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I think he was serious problem for them because now I'm starting to see non-internet-familiar folk taking a look at loveshies. Particularly assuming that loveshydom is what caused Elliot's rampage. They're going to start seeing a lot more of the precious persecution that they so heavily count on to define their identities.
 
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I think he was serious problem for them because now I'm starting to see non-internet-familiar folk taking a look at loveshies. Particularly assuming that loveshydom is what caused Elliot's rampage. They're going to start seeing a lot more of the precious persecution that they so heavily count on to define their identities.
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hopefully the mainstream will see what a toxic community & environment loveshys/wizards have cultivated in order to overlook their own short comings. i mean if one is so hateful and delusional and selfish to become a loveshy or wizard, they do not deserve to share the body of someone else.
 
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sparklemilhouse said:
Film critic trying to blame stupid frat boy bro comedies on Elliott's thoughts:
http://m.nydailynews.com/entertainm...dies-santa-barbara-killings-article-1.1806750
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In a sense, he's in the right ballpark, but has it completely reversed. Elliot did what he did because he was a massive tool who believed whatever standards Hollywood spoon-fed him.

CätPärty said:
hopefully the mainstream will see what a toxic community & environment loveshys/wizards have cultivated in order to overlook their own short comings. i mean if one is so hateful and delusional and selfish to become a loveshy or wizard, they do not deserve to share the body of someone else.
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Yeah, suddenly the scorn and disapproval they've been imagining for so long might actually become real. Wonder how they'll deal with that.
 
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The FBI has a really fun practice of classifying groups as terrorist organizations. If you see someone acting like Elliott, report them to the centralized bureau. Getting vanned with some jail time would be good for them.
 
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