Eliezer Schlomo Yudkowsky / LessWrong

ENOUGH WITH THE FUCKING CHUDS SHIT!
Chuds were the VICTIMS in their movie. They weren't the conservatives; they weren't the liberals. They were HOMELESS PEOPLE IRRADIATED BY THE NERC!

I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS!
 
Bungleboy said:
So not long until Big Yud coralled his flock together, he started writing a Harry Potter fanfic that is pretty much Atlas Shrugged for people too dumb to read Atlas Shrugged. (The link goes to a series of reviews of the fanfic, because the fic itself is about as entertaining as circumcising yourself with a belt sander.)
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Since the tumblr is down, here are two backups of this fantastic review. Maybe the OP could be edited.


 
On the night of November 15th, back in 2019, Jack LaSota (better known as Ziz) and his not-so-merry band of troons and retards staged a protest outside of a MIRI / CFAR event in California which, ended in the arrest of the group and later led to Jack and "Gwen Danielson" (formerly known as Jasper) faking their own deaths. Like many things with the RATs and Zizians, the reasons behind this are long, confusing, and dumb. However, according to Jack's writings at the time (mirror of Ziz's website, search miricult to skip the boring bullshit), one of the reasons behind the protest was that our boy Big Yud had had statutorily raped a 17-year-old and used MIRI funds to cover it up.

Fast forward to a few years and some crazy tranny shenangins (read: murders) later to November 15, 2025. Big Yud wakes up and decides to set the record straight. "No" he says, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman!" Except, that's not quite how he put it. True to form, Yud decided the best way to go about this was by shitting out a 2,000 word xeet about LSD, giving LSD to 14-year-olds, and BDSM.

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As a general rule, I glomarize -- do not confirm or deny -- if asked whether I have committed crimes, or done things merely unpopular, or eg written any writing not explicitly under my name. I'm about to break that rule, under some weird circumstances. But of course there's going to be a long preamble first. If you ask me whether I've ordered any non-FDA-approved medications, and I don't know you well, I will reply, "I will not confirm or deny." This is even though my Twitter timeline mentions that I'm trying retatrutide. Perhaps I found some lying in the street after it fell off the back of a truck. You can storm up and demand to know if I use LSD, and I'll say, "I will not confirm or deny" (unless I know you somewhat). Even though, elsewhere on my Twitter timeline, you can find me screaming at people to please please please not use psychedelics because the mean results I've seen have been overwhelmingly heartbreakingly negative. (Some people benefit a little from psychedelics; a few people lose A LOT.) The standard rule of glomarizing is that you glomarize everywhere inside a category, so that the absence of a "no" answer doesn't provide signal. Much of what modern society and government condemns, is unjustly condemned; I think it is the law of an unjust society to criminalize psychedelic use. I can see the case for a law against selling LSD to 14-year-olds. But to criminalize the *use* of LSD -- or even its use by 14-year-olds? That's absurd, and an instance of "victimless crime"; and in the case of the 14-year-old it's a mad insane evil law that makes it harder for the supposed victims to get help, because the thing they want help about is a crime. So it would not be a better world for us all to live in, if there were a moral imperative saying that people had to tell the truth when asked if they had committed legal crimes; because so much law is unjust, evil, or simply bullshit; and because actual hurting-people criminals could just ignore that moral imperative and lie. I will, sometimes, reply to requests for general information about what sort of crimes I *would* commit. Not everyone ought to answer honestly about this, eg, a child living with controlling parents; but I think it's okay for people to ask *me*. This is how I try to respect other people's legitimate interest in knowing what sort of person I am. Am I the sort of person who, if he decided for himself that it was a good idea, would try LSD despite that being illegal? Yes, absolutely. I have approximately zero respect for modern-day society's ability to decide that for me better than I can decide myself. I consider it a violation of rights and liberty that the USA tries. If you'd judge me for being the sort of person who considers LSD a bad idea, *but* who'd cheerfully violate that law if I considered it a good idea instead, then go ahead and judge me for that. Would I give LSD to a 14-year-old, even one who seemed to have sincerely decided for themselves that they wanted to try LSD on their own recognizance? Not under almost any ordinary circumstances. It's not just that I think it's a bad idea, but that it's against the law; and in this particular case I think that exact law is not bullshit, and I do want to obey the actual real laws that are not bullshit, because that is part of how a human civilization holds together. What if the 14-year-old wanted to try LSD microdosing in order to treat suicide-level pain from migraine headaches, which have very few known treatments other than LSD microdoses? A more intelligent civilization (which we do not live in) would have a test you could take as a 14-year-old in order to determine whether you were competent to go into the Ill-Advised Consumer Goods Store and buy substances that were not generally for sale. Or maybe society would run a prediction market about whether ten years later the 24-year-old would think that it was a terrible terrible idea for them to have microdosed LSD as a kid. If society's rules were that sensible, I would obey them in detail; and with a sense of gladness and relief, for my being able to obey them. But almost no rules are that sensible, and therefore there are very few rules I see myself as obligated to obey without exception. This does not mean I run out and offer 14-year-olds LSD. I expect that to actually hurt them, and also, it *is* against the law. I have a similar attitude toward countries and states setting various age limits on who is allowed to have sex with who. It does seem to me that informed consent is more difficult to obtain, as a person is younger and has a harder time correctly processing information. But under present law in many states and countries, it is possible for a 13-year-old and a 12-year-old to be simultaneously prosecuted for 'raping' each other, which makes a mockery of the actually-important concept of rape. (When it comes to terminology, "unlawful congress" would at least make sense as a phrase, and not confuse "telling immature minds what they can't do" with "people have the right to decide who they won't have sex with".) Looking at it from the viewpoint of our own bumbling society that cannot administer qualification tests or run prediction markets, that society still has to draw some sort of line somewhere. Saying that a 30-year-old cannot have sex with a 17-year-old (in CA) or a 16-year-old (in NY) is not a crazy law; it is the sort of "I would like to live in a civilization" law that I prefer to obey. If I heard about a couple violating those laws, my default attitude would be somewhat similar to hearing that, say, a couple had decided to practice their own private version of BDSM with no safewords. Suppose that in the case of this BDSM couple, though they presented as outwardly happy at the time, a few years later the submissive accused the dominant of having done actual real rape absent any safewords. Well, there was a widely recognized rule about how to set a clear boundary, meant as a guardrail against exactly that kind of outcome; and the dominant -- the presumed more powerful partner in that situation -- took their life into their own hands when they decided to ignore that standard guardrail. But if hypothetically you ask me whether I know about any couples currently doing this ill-advised thing, where it has *not yet* blown up, then I do not confirm or deny; it would not be my job to run their lives. This is true even if all they'd face is a lot of community frowning about BDSM common wisdom, rather than legal consequences. It is very hard to get me to butt into two people's lives, if they are both telling me to get out and mind my own business; maybe even to the point of it being an error on my part, because if I was erring there, I sure do know which side I would be erring on. But if later someone holds herself injured, there is a clear presumption about whose fault it (more) was; and if a court also makes that presumption, it does so reasonably, on my view. If you now turn around and ask me, "Hey, so, do you use a safeword in your own BDSM relationships?" I will... well, realistically, I will look at you quizzically or possibly even in horror and say, "Yes, absolutely. Are you not doing that??!?" Because I would by default assume you were asking a real question; possibly one that indicated a dangerous ignorance about how these things should almost always work for almost everyone. But *if* I was asked that question clearly in the context of some busybody outsider trying to investigate me for BDSM Compliance, I might well tell them, "Mind your own business", about their entire questionnaire. However. My logic for usually having a general rule of saying "I do not confirm or deny", about this sort of thing, does not apply absolutely under circumstances that could not reasonably have been arranged to elicit information from me, if there's something to be gained by speaking. I freely choose to mention that I've tried retratrutide, because the context in which it comes up is not an outside busybody trying to investigate me for FDA rules compliance. Now on to the main point. There's a cult known as 'Zizians', who have killed a couple of people. That cult began among, and recruited from, a vulnerable subclass of a class of people who had earlier found tolerance and shelter in what calls itself the 'rationalist' community. I am not explicitly naming that class of people because the vast supermajority of them have not joined murder cults, and what other people do should not be their problem. (Though I'm also told that, although the media hasn't chosen to focus there, much of the more extreme ideology in the Zizian group actually came from less exciting sources like eg animal activism.) (Most animal activists have also not joined murder cults.) I for my own part had no idea who these people were before they went nuts. I am not claiming the Zizians were unconnected to what I'd see as a community connected to me; but I did not myself know who these people were. I haven't looked into the Zizians in a ton of detail even now, among other reasons because I do not think attention should be a reward for crime. I have never read, and plan to never read, Ted Kaczynski's manifesto (aka the "Unabomber" manifesto). I wasn't reading the Zizians' blog posts before they started killing people, so by strong default I am not going to read them now. However, I have inevitably ended up learning *some* things about how the Ziz cult started. And apparently, one of their FOUNDING BELIEFS, is that I had sex with somebody underage (mutually desired sex, according to the Zizians)... and then MIRI, a nonprofit I started, paid money (to a third-party extorter) to hush that up... which payment, according to the Zizians, is in violation of DECISION THEORY... and, therefore, for THAT EXACT REASON (like specifically the decision theory part), everything believed by those normie rationalists who once befriended them is IRRETRIEVABLY TAINTED... and therefore, the whole world is a lie and dishonest... and from this and OTHER PREMISES they recruit people to join their cult. I am sure that I am missing many details here, and if anyone writes me an explanation of those details, I will not read it. Attention should not be a reward for crime, and I wasn't reading their blog posts before they started killing. At least some of their targets may still credit that I prefer to practice the way of glomarization rather than the ordinary path of lying; hence, that what I do choose to affirm, is evidence about its truth / honesty. And it seems to me to be realistically incredibly unlikely that this murder-cult was started *in order to* extract information from me about which legal crimes I have or haven't committed. Likewise unlikely that, if I make an exception to my surface guidelines here, anyone will try to start ANOTHER MURDER-CULT about a DIFFERENT alleged crime to extract more information (though I would in any case not except again / in a predictably manipulable way). This whole business is the sort of event that, on a well-run planet mostly full of sane people, would not happen to ANYONE LITERALLY EVER. So. To the best of my knowledge, I have never in my life had sex with anyone under the age of 18. I have not had sex, at all, with the particular person the Ziz cult thinks I had sex with, whom I am not naming here for reasons of their own privacy. This is true for the legal definition of sex, and for the commonsense definition of sex, and for relatively expansive definitions of sex. I am not playing any clever word-games; the thing I expect people will understand me as saying, is true. Maybe this helps someone. May they reason validly. I do not consider myself obligated to do this thing, by people having otherwise set themselves on a course to do harm. I am not obligated to do any more of it. May it nonetheless help.
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After all that, the best he can come up with is: "So. To the best of my knowledge, I have never in my life had sex with anyone under the age of 18." Oh, and that he hasn't "looked into the Zizians in a ton of detail even now." Sure bud.

As with most things Big Yud / RAT related, this was extremely long and gay, so I popped over to the 'ol Sneer Club to see what our friends there had to say. As usual, the great minds at reddit decided the big problem with all this was.... Transphobia


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I don't really have an interesting way to wrap this up, so instead, I'll cap it off with the only good LW post ever made:

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noonnoodle said:
As usual, the great minds at reddit decided the big problem with all this was.... Transphobia
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Even though everybody in LessWrong sucks tranny cock and there is literally no evidence to the contrary? Even when Eliezer jumped on the tranny train despite the fact he was the one who wrote an entire post about how hard it would be to biologically change sex?

Why is everybody involved, from the tranny murderers to the fat man to the faggots accusing said fat man of """transphobia""", so gay and retarded? It's like rationalism is a vortex of autism and mental illness.
 
It's like all these guys go into philosophy to find bullshit good enough to justify fucking kids.
 
demicolon said:
It's like all these guys go into philosophy to find bullshit good enough to justify fucking kids.
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In which case they should have done Foucauldian poststructuralism, which is easier to understand than the tenet of their own quasi-mystical sci-fi cult anyway.
 
demicolon said:
It's like all these guys go into philosophy to find bullshit good enough to justify fucking kids.
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It's almost like the whole thing's a cult! And just like any good cult, they have their pre-canned schpiel about how "they're totally not a cult" ready to go at the drop of a hat.

Markass the Worst said:
It's like rationalism is a vortex of autism and mental illness.
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Add some autogynephilia into the mix and it's a wonder they haven't committed more murders.
 
noonnoodle said:
It's almost like the whole thing's a cult! And just like any good cult, they have their pre-canned schpiel about how "they're totally not a cult" ready to go at the drop of a hat.


Add some autogynephilia into the mix and it's a wonder they haven't committed more murders.
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Their main complaints are that they're not even more cultish (A) and that cult is such a nasty word. Rather call it a "phyg".
 
Crosspost. Recent Rolling Stone article goes over how Big Yud helped OpenAI and Sam Altman:
NoReturn said:
Back to the article, I wanted to share two things.
One, this section:
Lasota’s second accusation — that Yudkowsky started an AI arms race — referred to an uncomfortable truth: that Yudkowsky, despite his ceaseless warnings about the threat posed by AI, has arguably done more than any other person alive to hasten the acceleration of artificial intelligence technology.In 2005, shortly after he began working on The Sequences, Yudkowsky was introduced to Peter Thiel — the co-founder of PayPal and Palantir — at a dinner party in San Francisco. Thiel took an interest in his work and began funding Yudkowsky’s Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence, and together, with famed computer scientist Ray Kurzweil, they created an annual conference, the Singularity Summit, at Stanford University. (Jeffrey Epstein was another early supporter of SIAI; he gave $50,000 through his own foundation in 2009.)The founders of the AI lab DeepMind persuaded Thiel to fund their startup, later purchased by Google, at the Singularity Summit. DeepMind’s early success, in turn, impressed a young Thiel acolyte, Sam Altman, who went on to co-found Open AI with Elon Musk, a MIRI backer (and, apparently, a LessWrong reader — he connected with the singer Grimes after they made the same joke about a popular LessWrong thought experiment called “Roko’s Basilisk”). Altman has credited Yudkowsky with sparking his pursuit of Artificial General Intelligence — artificial intelligence that is as smart as, or smarter, than humans.
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Bungleboy said:
So not long until Big Yud coralled his flock together, he started writing a Harry Potter fanfic that is pretty much Atlas Shrugged for people too dumb to read Atlas Shrugged. (The link goes to a series of reviews of the fanfic, because the fic itself is about as entertaining as circumcising yourself with a belt sander.) The response was circle-jerky and this tribe of so-called rational thinkers became evangelizing using a goddamn Harry Potter fanfic. Despite how obvious this sounds, much of reddit got suckered in, because reddit hasn't met a stupid idea it didn't like.
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Oh shit, Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality was written by Schlomo? That explains everything.
 
Eternal Gopnik said:
I can't wait to see what kind of novel legal defense these "young, highly intelligent computer scientists" come up with.
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The Roko's Basilisk wants to torture everyone for eternity for not bringing it to existence despite being brought to existence already, that doesn't make sense!
 
Has anyone here read Project Lawful?
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I don't want to find out firsthand what is going on with underage characters in the sex threads.
 
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