Mega Rad Gun Thread

[quaawaa]

I get that some of these high end shotguns are exquisite pieces, I've seen them at auctions and shows, but even in my winning the powerball dreams I never saw the appeal in spending $5,000+ on a shotgun. I get true custom 1911s more than I get these. But I'm not rich, rich people basically live in a different world from people like me.

The reasons why people buy custom European guns is because they're African Big Game hunters and they're the only option for the gigantic cartridges, or because they're European aristocrats larping as their much superior ancestors (who had no problems using the latest and greatest technology to hunt).

The only other reason is because you already have a million dollar gun collection and they're just one more thing to add to the list.

Finally got all the stuff working right on my tx-22 after a bit of help from redneck buddy number 1. It's a trip, the first mag through is surprising how much muzzle rise there is and I can see no practical value whatsoever other than the giggle factor. On a related note does anyone know where you can get a threaded barrel for one because I am having a hard time locating one for the pawn shop special. Also if nobody makes a printed chassis that looks like mp7 we have at home there's a missed opportunity.

Should have bought the competition model which comes with a compensator.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

Browning Auto 5.

FN auto 5's and Remington model 11 (licensed copy) can be had really cheap, especially in 12 gauge. sometimes less than 500 dollars. The Browning Auto 5's always command a premium for some reason.

Auto 5s are finicky to set up if your chosen load doesn't just work and you need to adjust the friction rings. It's not especially hard really, just a little finicky. The only real problem with them is cracking the forend. A lot, perhaps even a majority of them develop cracks from the recoil battering the forend with heavy loads. if you set it up right it's not a problem, but who knows how the previous generations treated that gun.

The Modern inertial action A5 is probably more tolerant of abuse and neglect while maintaining the ergonomics and appearance, but costs more NIB than most Auto 5s on used market. It's also lighter so it should swing better. . . but all automatics swing like a 2x4 compared to even a middling double gun.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

The reasons why people buy custom European guns is because they're African Big Game hunters and they're the only option for the gigantic cartridges, or because they're European aristocrats larping as their much superior ancestors (who had no problems using the latest and greatest technology to hunt).

There's also the historical and craftmanship aspect. These Bespoke gunmakers often invented firearms that are now taken for granted.
For example, The various British gunmakers (Manton, Boss, W-R, Purdey, Woodward etc) invented the modern sporting side by side and over / under shotguns. All such guns are descendants by those made by the above. the vast majority of SxS and O/U guns have what? A westley-richards invented Anson & deeley action and a Scott's spindle top lever. exceptions to this are custom, usually bespoke guns. What about sidelocks? outside of the bespoke gun makers they are all mostly copies of the H&H royal, or just a Anson and deeley with side plates. John browning perfected the O/U for mass production, but it was invented (in its modern form) by James woodward in 1913.

Then there is the craftmanship consideration. These guns are made BY HAND to tolerances that are the equal to the best CNC machined parts in a modern factory. "Made to the thickness of a sheet of soot" or some variation thereof is a common turn of phrase. There is a certain pride of ownership to a gun that you know was hand made of the course of 1,000 man hours by some of the best craftsmen in the world, to your exact specifications. The whole idea of a "best gun" is that it is made to the highest possible standard regardless of the final price.

The fact that any of these firms are still in business despite making guns and rifles that can be used every hunting season for over 150 years is a testiment to their desirability.

as for the aristo larping, at least for the british gun makers it's not that true of a jape as it was in the past. their primary customers now are American men. The british aristo and their spawn are so cucked these days they are not into guns anymore despite their forefather's funding the developement for most all the progenitors of modern sporting guns and rifles during the victorian age.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

How should I inspect it short of bringing pins and gauges into the LGS to make semi sure I'm not getting a complete fucking lemon?

It's hard to do an inspection on something you've only just seen. Sight alignment, making sure the ejector rod is more than hand-tight, make sure the cylinder doesn't have too much rotational wiggle after dropping the hammer(while still holding the trigger down), check the sear engagement by cocking the hammer and pressing on it and eyeball the cylinder gap.
Thankfully most of the problems Smith's been having are with the more popular models, like the 686 unscrewing its own ejector rod and having terrible cylinder gap/endshake.

 

[Smoke Manmuscle]

The fact that any of these firms are still in business despite making guns and rifles that can be used every hunting season for over 150 years is a testiment to their desirability.

as for the aristo larping, at least for the british gun makers it's not that true of a jape as it was in the past. their primary customers now are American men. The british aristo and their spawn are so cucked these days they are not into guns anymore despite their forefather's funding the developement for most all the progenitors of modern sporting guns and rifles during the victorian age.

The other thing keeping them in business is the fact that Britain just banned all lead projectiles. Most of the guns out there have barrels that cannot take steel loads. The rich are buying new ones so they can keep shooting and a ton of the old ones are ending up in the US for 1/2-1/4 the original sale price. Mind you that is still $10-50k for a gun.

 

[Polock]

banned all lead projectiles

American projectiles

>Drab
>Dull
>Ugly
>"""PLUMBUM""" LMFAO DO AMERICANS REALLY??
>Makes you retarded (i.e. American)

European projectiles

>Sacred geometry
>Beautiful color gradients representing Pride and Diversity
>Non-toxic
>Gentle on guns

Amerisharts...I don't feel so good...probably all the aerosolized lead from shooting indoors this winter....

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

1301 is here finally

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Awesome. Mine has the kick off hydraulic stock so I legit have almost zero recoil.

Good to know I can tacticool it up

TISAS has severed their relationship with SDS so if you have a SDS TISAS gun you no longer have any warranty or parts support.

This is what happens when you buy a cheap foreign gun. I've seen lots of people get fucked by this kind of shit. Oh, your rossi broke? well we can't fix it any more because those are imported via a different importer now, Get fucked! no refunds!

at least most fails of a 1911 are easy to fix at home. anything major and you're hiring a gunsmith for a $400 dollar gun. best to just part it out.

Fucking LOL. Always be wary of foreign guns with prices they are just a little too good to be true or that are unique platforms.

Tisas makes a good product (usually) but now they warranty is literally worthless if it was from SDS.

If I buy foreign I make sure they have a US subsidiary and US offices eg. Styer, Taurus, IWI, CZ, Beretta (and whatever Beretta owners in Finland)

It's hard to do an inspection on something you've only just seen. Sight alignment, making sure the ejector rod is more than hand-tight, make sure the cylinder doesn't have too much rotational wiggle after dropping the hammer(while still holding the trigger down), check the sear engagement by cocking the hammer and pressing on it and eyeball the cylinder gap.
Thankfully most of the problems Smith's been having are with the more popular models, like the 686 unscrewing its own ejector rod and having terrible cylinder gap/endshake.

Hehe I'll bring my snap caps. From what I've been reading at their absolute worst S&W puts out 60% great 40% lemon revolvers and most of the issues are cosmetic

 

[Romulus augustulus]

Most of the guns out there have barrels that cannot take steel loads

This is actually false. The euros have been pioneers in finding ways to shoot steel in ancient shotgun barrels. the British proof houses can proof a antique Black powder gun for "standard" steel smokeless shot (choke depending. no more than 1/4 choke as i recall). Modern guns will be proved for "high performance" steel shot, which is what we in the USA are familiar with. The "rings" formed by shooting steel in a old barrel were also found to be cosmetic damage only by browning for what it's worth. still best avoided however.

A lot of research and testing has went into keeping these old guns shooting over there.

 

[BikeLock]

anything that the jews make you want you should buy. It's all military first and private market second. once a model becomes no longer viable for the military arms market it is discontinued. Its all the same for the big arms manufacturers. FN, Colt etc. outside of dedicated sporting lines its all at the whim of government contracts.

I guess I'll have to get a Galil Ace then, too.

If only for the simple fact that its the most "economical" way to get a 5.56 AK that actually works, and can be trusted.

FN auto 5's and Remington model 11 (licensed copy) can be had really cheap, especially in 12 gauge. sometimes less than 500 dollars. The Browning Auto 5's always command a premium for some reason.

Auto 5s are finicky to set up if your chosen load doesn't just work and you need to adjust the friction rings. It's not especially hard really, just a little finicky. The only real problem with them is cracking the forend. A lot, perhaps even a majority of them develop cracks from the recoil battering the forend with heavy loads. if you set it up right it's not a problem, but who knows how the previous generations treated that gun.

The Modern inertial action A5 is probably more tolerant of abuse and neglect while maintaining the ergonomics and appearance, but costs more NIB than most Auto 5s on used market. It's also lighter so it should swing better. . . but all automatics swing like a 2x4 compared to even a middling double gun.

It's a pre-war Belgian FN Auto 5, I think.
It is in very good condition, its not a $500 one, but it does seem that you can get a good working one for around that.

Wonder if anyone makes a magazine tube extension?

 

[Nefarious Elliot]

Thoughts on Novritsch optics?

 

[hog cranking frog]

As an American with easy access to loads of firearms I do marvel at how many and how cheap target O/Us and the like are in the UK.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

I guess I'll have to get a Galil Ace then, too.

If only for the simple fact that its the most "economical" way to get a 5.56 AK that actually works, and can be trusted.


It's a pre-war Belgian FN Auto 5, I think.
It is in very good condition, its not a $500 one, but it does seem that you can get a good working one for around that.

Wonder if anyone makes a magazine tube extension?

I've seen extended tubes before. I believe Ian from Forgotten weapons has a rhodiesion clone build auto 5 with the extended mag. it'd probably have to be a custom thing but since it's just a tube with a spring it shouldn't be too complicated to do.

 

[Mussolini’s Merkin]

I've never fired a shotgun with the older folding frame but I always assumed just by looking at them that they would be miserable to shoot,

I’ve done a little shooting with an 870 that had either the same or a very similar stock, it was awful, the LoP is felt paradoxically both too long and too short all the time weighing a few pounds but feeling as stable as wet cardboard when shouldered. 10/10 experience, everyone should do it once but for the love of God don’t buy one yourself.

I guess I'll have to get a Galil Ace then, too.

If only for the simple fact that its the most "economical" way to get a 5.56 AK that actually works, and can be trusted.

I’m a little ashamed to admit that I like my Gen 2 ACE pistol more than my other 7.62x39 AK’s. I still prefer my 5.56 stamped Arsenals, but that ship has sailed for new collectors which really is a shame, you couldn’t give those things away a decade ago.

 

[DocAwe]

I guess I'll have to get a Galil Ace then, too.

If only for the simple fact that its the most "economical" way to get a 5.56 AK that actually works, and can be trusted.


It's a pre-war Belgian FN Auto 5, I think.
It is in very good condition, its not a $500 one, but it does seem that you can get a good working one for around that.

Wonder if anyone makes a magazine tube extension?

I have a Saiga in 5.56.
I'd trade it for an ACE in 5.56.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

As an American with easy access to loads of firearms I do marvel at how many and how cheap target O/Us and the like are in the UK.

there's a glut on the market. Shooting went from the #1 sport among the wealthy and upper middle class along with a huge industry of market hunting for water fowl and pest control via firearm to California tier legal barriers and general derision from the public at large.

it'd be easy money buying Birmingham boxlocks and other guns and rifles cheap in the UK and selling them for 1,000+ on the US market where they are more valued by shooters. I've been sorely tempted bidding on some winchesters at Holts. they had a 1885 high wall in .50 express which is a very, very rare variant. worth a fortune here in the US. their auction estimate was 1,000 pounds. The import process for shotguns and rifles is fairly straightforward. would have been around $500 to get it imported at the time. Section 5 firearms like revolvers and other pistols are so so cheap over there. were talking like 500 pounds for a 1870s first generation Colt SAA. that's a 3,000 dollar gun in the US.

IDK the laws around exportation of Sec. 5 guns but you could make a MINT off resale.

It's sad how much we value their shooting history here than they do in their own country.

 

[DirectorDelta]

Thoughts on Novritsch optics?
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Well that's a name I haven't heard in a long while, probably good enough for airsoft but not sure I'd trust it to hold zero on real firearm though.

 

[Geoff Capes Vapes Apes]

there's a glut on the market. Shooting went from the #1 sport among the wealthy and upper middle class along with a huge industry of market hunting for water fowl and pest control via firearm to California tier legal barriers and general derision from the public at large.

it'd be easy money buying Birmingham boxlocks and other guns and rifles cheap in the UK and selling them for 1,000+ on the US market where they are more valued by shooters. I've been sorely tempted bidding on some winchesters at Holts. they had a 1885 high wall in .50 express which is a very, very rare variant. worth a fortune here in the US. their auction estimate was 1,000 pounds. The import process for shotguns and rifles is fairly straightforward. would have been around $500 to get it imported at the time. Section 5 firearms like revolvers and other pistols are so so cheap over there. were talking like 500 pounds for a 1870s first generation Colt SAA. that's a 3,000 dollar gun in the US.

IDK the laws around exportation of Sec. 5 guns but you could make a MINT off resale.

It's sad how much we value their shooting history here than they do in their own country.

Holts are good people, I've bought a few guns from them (usually clapped SxS hammer guns for pennies because I love old guns). The least I've paid was about 7 dollars, spent more on fuel going to pick it up.

The situation with old guns is a bit strange, shotguns (assuming they're chambered in a still available cartridge) are controlled but anything not using a metallic cartridge and produced before 1939 is free to own, as is anything made pre-1939 in a chambering on our obsolete calibres list which is an awful lot of old big game rifles, anything pinfire, anything rimfire other than .22 and 9mm, and a lot of older CF chamberings.

Wrt S5 I've visited a few effectively kitchen table S5 dealers and seen some shit in ordinary household settings that would raise eyebrows even in the US, particular favourites being a Milkor rotary 40mm launcher with a crate of rounds, and a pair of Stg44s propped up in a corner.

British gun owners are a lot less plentiful than American, but due to the nature of it we're generally *really* into it, the once-a-season zeroing fudd and the ethnic gentleman magdumping a Draco into trash at 20 yards (and missing) aren't demographics we have to deal with. Many towns have a 25-50yd range generally good up to .44 magnum, for longer range it's typically army ranges or if you're fortunate enough to be local to one (or willing to travel) there's some fantastic private ranges including the NRA at Bisley Camp which is an amazing experience.

 

[AGPinochet]

Also if nobody makes a printed chassis that looks like mp7 we have at home there's a missed opportunity.

There's at least one with some others being worked on I believe

Azeri milled (Aluminum?) Receiver SVD Patten rifle


Lima Six Belt Box adapter with Allen key based Ambi bolt catch

M16A2 modernization by a Syrian terrorist

Charm PKM belonging to another Syrian terrorist


Partisan triggers is working on not only a FAL FRT but also their own belt fed upper
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Early mockup of a side feed AR upper by GunCAD dev Stubbs


That's one way to do it




ATF might be chimping out about airsoft guns according to one redditor

https://archive.ph/JeTZd

 

[888Flux]

Siggers BTFO once again - if only the P320 could be axed next.

What was even the point of the program then. how is ZOG so good at pissing away money for literally nothing.

also what about the fire control systems apart of the same program?

 

[God's drunkest driver]

Since 4chan has rotted away at this point , anywhere like /k/ I can visit forum or site wize ??

This thread is the closest to a good replacement for /k/ that exists. Any number of traditional forums are excellent places to find information and other benefits-of-community for specific firearms, but they are not great places for a casual chat because the moderation is often a pain in the ass with neocon political views.

British gun owners are a lot less plentiful than American, but due to the nature of it we're generally *really* into it, the once-a-season zeroing fudd and the ethnic gentleman magdumping a Draco into trash at 20 yards (and missing) aren't demographics we have to deal with. Many towns have a 25-50yd range generally good up to .44 magnum, for longer range it's typically army ranges or if you're fortunate enough to be local to one (or willing to travel) there's some fantastic private ranges including the NRA at Bisley Camp which is an amazing experience.

I would expect so. You kind of have to be really into it by nature of the fact that in the UK guns are effectively toys that you have to put considerable effort into obtaining and playing with, since your legal system rendered them borderline unusable for defense. Being into surfing is easy when you live near the beach in Hawaii but if you live in Flagstaff you have to be really dedicated.