Culture Youtube gonna be tougher with content control, working with organizations such as ADL - Pepe is gonna be banned.

https://youtube.googleblog.com/2017/08/an-update-on-our-commitment-to-fight.html

A little over a month ago, we told you about the four new steps we’re taking to combat terrorist content on YouTube: better detection and faster removal driven by machine learning, more experts to alert us to content that needs review, tougher standards for videos that are controversial but do not violate our policies, and more work in the counter-terrorism space.

We wanted to give you an update on these commitments:

Better detection and faster removal driven by machine learning: We’ve always used a mix of technology and human review to address the ever-changing challenges around controversial content on YouTube. We recently began developing and implementing cutting-edge machine learning technology designed to help us identify and remove violent extremism and terrorism-related content in a scalable way. We have started rolling out these tools and we are already seeing some positive progress:

• Speed and efficiency: Our machine learning systems are faster and more effective than ever before. Over 75 percent of the videos we've removed for violent extremism over the past month were taken down before receiving a single human flag.
• Accuracy: The accuracy of our systems has improved dramatically due to our machine learning technology. While these tools aren’t perfect, and aren’t right for every setting, in many cases our systems have proven more accurate than humans at flagging videos that need to be removed.
• Scale: With over 400 hours of content uploaded to YouTube every minute, finding and taking action on violent extremist content poses a significant challenge. But over the past month, our initial use of machine learning has more than doubled both the number of videos we've removed for violent extremism, as well as the rate at which we’ve taken this kind of content down.

We are encouraged by these improvements, and will continue to develop our technology in order to make even more progress. We are also hiring more people to help review and enforce our policies, and will continue to invest in technical resources to keep pace with these issues and address them responsibly.

More experts: Of course, our systems are only as good as the the data they’re based on. Over the past weeks, we have begun working with more than 15 additional expert NGOs and institutions through our Trusted Flagger program, including the Anti-Defamation League, the No Hate Speech Movement, and the Institute for Strategic Dialogue. These organizations bring expert knowledge of complex issues like hate speech, radicalization, and terrorism that will help us better identify content that is being used to radicalize and recruit extremists. We will also regularly consult these experts as we update our policies to reflect new trends. And we’ll continue to add more organizations to our network of advisors over time.

Tougher standards: We’ll soon be applying tougher treatment to videos that aren’t illegal but have been flagged by users as potential violations of our policies on hate speech and violent extremism. If we find that these videos don’t violate our policies but contain controversial religious or supremacist content, they will be placed in a limited state. The videos will remain on YouTube behind an interstitial, won’t be recommended, won’t be monetized, and won’t have key features including comments, suggested videos, and likes. We’ll begin to roll this new treatment out to videos on desktop versions of YouTube in the coming weeks, and will bring it to mobile experiences soon thereafter. These new approaches entail significant new internal tools and processes, and will take time to fully implement.

Early intervention and expanding counter-extremism work: We’ve started rolling out features from Jigsaw’s Redirect Method to YouTube. When people search for sensitive keywords on YouTube, they will be redirected towards a playlist of curated YouTube videos that directly confront and debunk violent extremist messages. We also continue to amplify YouTube voices speaking out against hate and radicalization through our YouTube Creators for Change program. Just last week, the U.K. chapter of Creators for Change, Internet Citizens, hosted a two-day workshop for 13-18 year-olds to help them find a positive sense of belonging online and learn skills on how to participate safely and responsibly on the internet. We also pledged to expand the program’s reach to 20,000 more teens across the U.K.

And over the weekend, we hosted our latest Creators for Change workshop in Bandung, Indonesia, where creators teamed up with Indonesia’s Maarif Institute to teach young people about the importance of diversity, pluralism, and tolerance.

Altogether, we have taken significant steps over the last month in our fight against online terrorism. But this is not the end. We know there is always more work to be done. With the help of new machine learning technology, deep partnerships, ongoing collaborations with other companies through the Global Internet Forum, and our vigilant community we are confident we can continue to make progress against this ever-changing threat. We look forward to sharing more with you in the months ahead.

The YouTube Team

This gonna be gud.

 

[Sergeant Politeness]

The thing to remember about Youtube constantly fucking up like this, it's actually doing more damage to its own bottom line than shitting its pants and doing nothing would. The immediate blastback isn't as dramatic as it could be, but over time we're going to see more and more cases of this sort of shit happening. Paired with the fact that there's groups actively trying to get more like Damore to come forward under condition of anonymity, and you're looking at a situation where Google facing some kind of blastback for this shit is not a matter of if, but indeed, when.

Kick back, relax, and watch the slow-motion train-wreck. Be concerned, of course, but know that in the end, there's no way that this won't generate some fucking amazing hilarity for us to laugh at and ultimately sort of arrive at its own autistic equilibrium in due time.

This was ultimately my point. I had some big autistic response written up about how any major platform for discourse, regardless of if its private or not, has an ethical responsibility to stay unbiased, but fuck it. Twitter continues to bleed out, and Google's reaching for the same knife. Let 'em.

I do wonder if something like this has the ability to fracture the greater internet. If Google were to die tomorrow and take everyone's data with it (given the amount of pies they have fingers in, that's a metric shitton), what would be the consequences of that?

 

[Secret Asshole]

I just think it's silly to get riled up over Youtube as if it's like some publicly funded organization that is intrinsic to your daily life. Youtube is not the provider of your electricity. Youtube is not the school you send your kids to. It's a fucking entertainment website you have no reason to be dependent on for any reason other than to watch cat videos. Just because -YOU- are personally using it as a news source doesn't suddenly make it that way. If they want to delete a video showing something you wanted to see - that's their decision as a private business.
If McDonald's wants to put fucking celery on all their burgers it's not time to declare it the end of choice in a democratic society from alt-left hippie treehuggers because your fatass eats there every night and you hate health.

The problem isn't just with YouTube. What we are seeing are tech companies across the board enforcing their own set of morality. A guy lost access to Google, an Indian Statistician, who works at major Universities and has been consulted by many powerful people, was booted off Google. I'm not talking about YouTube, I'm talking everything. His university google accounts, his blog, his email. Universities actually do rely on Google Docs and Drive a lot of the time because it makes things simple and easy. His high crime was having the audacity to interpret polling advice for the Trump campaign.

Guy wakes up in a bad mood, boots a guy off his service so he can get DDoSSed. A service that enables child pornographers, sex traffickers, drug dealers, arms dealers and worse decides that the Daily Stormer (Whose influence amounts to a wet fart) is too much for their service.

Private business just doesn't cut it anymore. Not when there is no competition and you can be unperson-ed and these services are becoming increasingly necessary to function in modern life. These aren't just luxuries anymore, they're necessities. Not to mention their 'morality' is not dispersed evenly or even sensibly. The problem is there are no alternatives. Especially when CEOs share the same viewpoint. Maybe they'll keep a master list of those they deem 'dangerous' or 'hateful'. This is not out of the realm of possibility. The election basically inspired them to control thought on all of their platforms, and that's exactly what they are doing. YouTube demonitizing Destiny shows that they want to purge, no matter how much money they lose. They want an ideologically pure platform. When they realize demonitization doesn't work because of patreon, they'll just start shadow-banning. When that doesn't work, they'll just start closing accounts. Its only a matter of time.

Not everyone goes on YouTube to watch cute cat videos. YouTube was created because it was supposed to give people the ability to upload whatever kind of videos they want be it gaming, animations, movies, politics, news, etc. But now YouTube, especially with not monetizing Destiny 2 (one of the most highly anticipated game this year), is betraying what made the site stand out. They are demonetizing anything that is not for five year olds (who should not be on the Internet) and Tumblrinas who throw a bitch fit if you unintentionally misgender them.

With social media becoming a more prominent part of our lives and communication, we have good reasons to be concerned.

Social media has become an important way of disseminating information that otherwise would not be heard or reported on. Yes, a lot of it is toxic, but how many things have been disproved because someone with a cell phone uploaded a video to YouTube? Social media has done a lot to counter narratives and has effectively made the mainstream media and wealthy people look incompetent. Stringent controls on thought and opinion will mitigate this and allow them to control whatever narrative they want.

The thing to remember about Youtube constantly fucking up like this, it's actually doing more damage to its own bottom line than shitting its pants and doing nothing would. The immediate blastback isn't as dramatic as it could be, but over time we're going to see more and more cases of this sort of shit happening. Paired with the fact that there's groups actively trying to get more like Damore to come forward under condition of anonymity, and you're looking at a situation where Google facing some kind of blastback for this shit is not a matter of if, but indeed, when.

Kick back, relax, and watch the slow-motion train-wreck. Be concerned, of course, but know that in the end, there's no way that this won't generate some fucking amazing hilarity for us to laugh at and ultimately sort of arrive at its own autistic equilibrium in due time.

The thing with demonitizing Bungie: They don't care about their bottom line. They make more money in one year than the GDP of 100+ countries. Damore even said, they consider search to be their money maker. Everything else is ancillary. To them, controlling a narrative and propagating their morality is more important to them than making YouTube profitable.

I just don't see how you are going to demolish a company the size of Google. Even if that happens, other companies are willing to do the exact same thing as Google. How are you going to get people to switch? Android is poised to eventually overtake the Iphone. Google has entered the common lexicon of searching for something on the internet. The CEO of Google is extremely, extremely weak and has let ideology overtake any sort of good.

Twitter will eventually bleed out though, but Twitter only has its platform. It doesn't have anything else to fall back on.

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

Google is AM, and we are all it's great soft jelly thing.

 

[AnOminous]

Twitter will eventually bleed out though, but Twitter only has its platform. It doesn't have anything else to fall back on.

Twitter could die tomorrow and nobody would give a shit but its fleeced shareholders and a bunch of SJW lolcows who live on it, who would have nervous breakdowns and die.

Google isn't really like that. With their intent to move into fiber, too, they'll be in the same position as the vertical monopolies of the robber baron era, controlling the physical infrastructure, the data transmission, the content allowed to be presented, and even things like actual access to the information on it, as in the case of the Indian mathematician who did nothing but math, but just happened to have done some for Trump.

Salil Mehta. Interestingly, despite there being news about this, there's not a fucking bit of it if you search his name on Google News, although other stuff concerning him shows up on searches. You have to add in "Google" before the most interesting recent thing about him shows up.

I'm sure this is all algorithmic though and nobody is jiggering the results to bury this.

 

[Sergeant Politeness]

I just don't see how you are going to demolish a company the size of Google. Even if that happens, other companies are willing to do the exact same thing as Google. How are you going to get people to switch? Android is poised to eventually overtake the Iphone. Google has entered the common lexicon of searching for something on the internet. The CEO of Google is extremely, extremely weak and has let ideology overtake any sort of good.

You don't demolish it. You let it demolish itself. YouTubers are already starting to jump ship because YouTube slashed ad revenues and is becoming extremely creator hostile. The occasional viral hit and low-ranking clips from The Tonight Show can't hold the platform up on their own.

I've said it before, but I'll say it again: AOL wasn't forward thinking enough and started pretending it was bulletproof. They were everywhere. I have DVDs from the turn of the millennium that have AOL keywords on them. Big media companies were advertising within AOL's walled garden. When AOL gave its users access to the wider internet, it was over for them. They're a shell now.

Might not be directly comparable, but the point is, giants get cocky, giants fall down. No company is too big to fail. Google spreading itself too thin might make it look inescapable, but that could be the thing that kills it. It's all up in the air now.

 

[AnOminous]

I've said it before, but I'll say it again: AOL wasn't forward thinking enough and started pretending it was bulletproof. They were everywhere. I have DVDs from the turn of the millennium that have AOL keywords on them. Big media companies were advertising within AOL's walled garden. When AOL gave its users access to the wider internet, it was over for them. They're a shell now.

AOL kind of had to do that. Even in the era when they sent out floppy disks, they had competitors who gave access to the Internet. When companies like Earthlink came into existence and marketed to relative normies, compared to the kind of nerds who would have previously had a shell account on something like Netcom or (more likely) a university or corporate Internet node, their walled garden was already doomed.

Giving more access to Internet content probably kept them alive another few years.

 

[Jaimas]

AOL kind of had to do that. Even in the era when they sent out floppy disks, they had competitors who gave access to the Internet. When companies like Earthlink came into existence and marketed to relative normies, compared to the kind of nerds who would have previously had a shell account on something like Netcom or (more likely) a university or corporate Internet node, their walled garden was already doomed.

Giving more access to Internet content probably kept them alive another few years.

Even back then, alternatives existed. Up here Prodigy was the only ISP up here for fucking years, and that was before AOL made it big. It was still around afterwards too, which surprised the hell out of me.

 

[Ariel]

Its just making people wake up to the jewish problem.

 

[AnOminous]

Even back then, alternatives existed. Up here Prodigy was the only ISP up here for fucking years, and that was before AOL made it big. It was still around afterwards too, which surprised the hell out of me.

Lol Fraudigy.

 

[Jaimas]

Lol Fraudigy.

It was fucking awful.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

The thing to remember about Youtube constantly fucking up like this, it's actually doing more damage to its own bottom line than shitting its pants and doing nothing would. The immediate blastback isn't as dramatic as it could be, but over time we're going to see more and more cases of this sort of shit happening. Paired with the fact that there's groups actively trying to get more like Damore to come forward under condition of anonymity, and you're looking at a situation where Google facing some kind of blastback for this shit is not a matter of if, but indeed, when.

Kick back, relax, and watch the slow-motion train-wreck. Be concerned, of course, but know that in the end, there's no way that this won't generate some fucking amazing hilarity for us to laugh at and ultimately sort of arrive at its own autistic equilibrium in due time.

I've already seen three separate instances today of original content creators getting demonitized from YouTube because of one dumb reason or another. This might actually have been the one fuckup YouTube won't recover from.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

I've already seen three separate instances today of original content creators getting demonitized from YouTube because of one dumb reason or another. This might actually have been the one fuckup YouTube won't recover from.

Thing about that is, YouTube will never know when it fucked up. Even if this hurts the company, they'll keep doing it until everyone, both user and employee alike, are scared off. And it's all because the people running Google itself are complete idiots who don't know, or don't care about the people using it.

 

[AnOminous]

Remember when Google had "Don't Be Evil" as a slogan?

Never trust anyone who has that as a slogan.

 

[Holdek]

Boycotts (and generally having the power to choose who you give your money to) are an important part of that. Voting with your dollars.

I also don't see how any major Google properties are violating anti-trust laws. Google has a substantial market share in a few areas, but nothing approaching a monopoly. Like, maybe if google was fucking with apps competing with google alternatives on the google play store, that might qualify. Or if they were booting customers off of google fiber.

But youtube? I'm not seeing it.

If all the racists left YouTube and went to a competing site, YouTube and most of its users would be happier.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

Youtube's bot has been caught deleting videos of Syrian War Crimes. Woops. And some of these only exist on youtube. Ooops.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/22/world/middleeast/syria-youtube-videos-isis.html?_r=1
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20170824-youtube-removes-syrian-videos-showing-war-crimes/

i dont think these videos would have been removed if they were posted on pornhub as well

 

[Marvin]

Youtube's bot has been caught deleting videos of Syrian War Crimes. Woops. And some of these only exist on youtube. Ooops.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/22/world/middleeast/syria-youtube-videos-isis.html?_r=1
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20170824-youtube-removes-syrian-videos-showing-war-crimes/

I don't think that says much about youtube. It says a lot about dumbasses trusting important news to the same service people use to host their cat videos. Cat videos that quickly get taken down for copyright infringing music.

 

[The Lawgiver]

IT'S HAPPENING!

People are making videos of instances they found of videos being put in this state. Keep your eyes open because there's more than likely going to be a massive amount of videos like the one below showing up in the next few days.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

YouTube has had a plan in motion, for a long, long time now, to replace cable TV. I'm not talking about making content creators TV. It does not give one fuck about them, including PewDiePie. I am talking about CBS, NBC, ABC, all that shit. Instead of purchasing a Cable Plan, you'd purchase YouTube Tv. Now, advertisers need to run ads on those networks and those networks are now in association with YouTube. It needs to be cleansed of anything and everything they don't like.

YouTube has 0 interest in its content creators and has had for some time. It doesn't defend them, it feeds them to the wolves every time and only reluctantly does things when huge amounts of people annoy them. My guess is the goal is to side-step Netflix and Amazon Prime by just being TV itself because YouTube Red was a massive failure. Basically, YouTube Red showed Google that content creators alone won't cut it. And that it can make way more money partnered with TV networks and their advertisers, then risk some advertisers be on 'controversial' content and be displeased.

They will try to strangle off any sort of money, views or searches from anything remotely controversial in an effort to grab up more juicy and lucrative TV deals. More and more people are 'cord cutting', it is natural that these channels would want to survive. Trad cable operators suck. Everybody hates them and dealing with them and their shit. Getting basic cable for $35 bucks through Google, plus just buying HBO or Showtime's online plans individually is much more appealing. Not to mention imagine Google with TV muscle behind it. Becoming more advertiser friendly, friendly to TV networks, that gets Google a lot of pull. It pits the networks against the cable companies, threatens cable companies themselves and gives them even more power to fight off any swings at slowing down their content. You aren't going to want to throttle YouTube, because that pisses off Google AND like 20 major cable networks. Networks which you have to negotiate with and are currently fighting massive losses in subscribers. Not a situation you want to be in if you are a service provider. Cable companies would be more reluctant to throttle YouTube when it has those networks behind it.

In essence, it wants to ditch the creator model. Its tired of the headaches, its normie unfriendliness and advertiser unfriendliness. The problem is Google can't just do it overnight and say 'Thanks guys, but fuck off now'. They need some way of doing it slowly. The current political climate makes a decent distraction from basically excising almost everyone they don't like from the platform. It will lose them money for sure in the short run, but in the long run they are betting on replacing your cable provider. Which is way more money than any content creator could make them. Why didn't they fight the adpocalypse? Why didn't they fight for their revenue stream? Because for their long term plans, this actually worked in YouTube's favor. It killed everyone's ad revenue, making them either: A) leave YouTube if YouTube didn't approve of them B) Gut the smaller creators it doesn't want C) Making creators it approves of easier to negotiate with as their profits took a hit. You will eventually see only content creators it (and the major TV networks and advertisers) approve of. You see this already, with crappy 'Entertainment Tonight' shit trending with 15k views. Hiring the ADL, TYT and (if true) FemFreq to monitor content again works for them. They are EXTREMELY heavy handed and will basically purge everything not to the left of Mao.

Google is a business. Yes, it has a progressive culture. But money comes first. TV is dying and Google seeks to upend it. Imagine once Google upends TV, and the major networks are on their side instead of a cable providers, the cable providers lose money and then they lose power. This has other benefits, such as Google Fiber being able to expand outwards to more cities. Now you get your TV and internet through one line and one company: Google. Will this work? Is this even their plan? I don't know. But it seems to me that this is the best way to boost profits, eliminate headaches, enhance their corporate muscle, defend against government fuckery and give them new areas to expand into that they were having trouble in before. Problem is that content creators are in their way. Ironically, YouTube is treating them like a cancer: Cut off the blood-flow, they'll wither up and die and replace it with something better and more profitable.

Alternatively, Google has lost its mind, has no plan and got fucktarded with progressive thinking and this will blow up in their face spectacularly. Or just result in the slow death of YouTube because they have no plan, YouTube Red and TV sucks and no one is buying it.

Youtube took too long dragging their ass to replacing TV to be perfectly honest. You can already do all the same shit they're aiming for on Amazon, Hulu, ect.

Apparently streams on problematic content can now be taken down before they've started.

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Since this was bumped back up...

I know this guy has a thread here, but he keeps his character in check for the interim annnd has some pretty interesting evidence that YT is actively targeting certain channels just for existing despite what the content may be.

Wow, holy shit. This is actually kind of worse than before, on the other hand, this also means that they're personally curating all of their content, which means they're liable for some sweet lolsuits.

But how many people actually see an ad being run on something that offends them and automatically assume the sponsor supports the offending idea? I don't. Because I think of ads as annoyance clusters and usually don't pay attention to them. Maybe more conservative types that think anything not sponsored by Jesus himself is the devil incarnate.

I never minded ads since it kept the internet premium-membership and PBS style e-begging free. It was a good deal. Then they started hijacking my browser. They gave me no choice but to block them and now every website wants you to pay for elevated privileges for things that would've been free to access otherwise. If advertisers did a much better job in preventing their customers from spreading malware, we wouldn't be in the shitty boat we're in today.

The internet as we know it today is immeasurably more pathetic than it used to be and I don't think anyone will disagree. It's a sad fucking state we're in and it's only going to get sadder as time goes on.

 

[Jaimas]

Google has been apparently issuing refunds to advertisers because of fake traffic.

Google’s refunds amount to only a fraction of the cost of the ads served to invalid traffic, which has left some advertising executives unsatisfied, the people familiar with the situation said. Google has offered to reimburse its “platform fee,” which ad buyers said typically ranges from about 7% to 10% of their total purchase.

Another point of contention among those receiving refunds is that they haven’t been given details about where their ads ended up or specific details about the exploits the fraudsters used, so that advertisers and agencies can apply their own safeguards in the future.

In the recent cases Google discovered, the affected traffic involved video ads, which carry higher ad rates than typical display ads and are therefore an attractive target for fraudsters.

Gee, I wonder how this could have happened. It's almost like Google has a history of getting in trouble with the law for manipulating search results via automated means or something.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Google has been apparently issuing refunds to advertisers because of fake traffic.

I'm honestly shocked that Facebook hasn't imploded under the weight of it's own inflated numbers since they're doing the same thing.