Communists - That time when 100 million people died wasn't REAL communism, comrade

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In Russia, as well as Ukraine and Belarus, student commies like the ones featured in the OP are very rare. Most of them are people who grew up in the Soviet Union:

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One would expect them to vanish very quickly after the fall of communist rule like in most ex-Warsaw Pact Central and Eastern Europe and the Baltic states, because capitalist economy is best economy or something. But the fall of communism in Russia didn't magically lead to freedom and prosperity - instead it led to this, this, and this, and this, etc. The standards of living fell from Second World standards to Third World standards, tens of thousands were displaced by war and inter-ethnic strife, many people ended up out of work with no way to make both ends meet... The Soviet Union at its death throes started to look chummy compared to Free and Democratic Russia/[insert country name here]*.

As a result, many people who wouldn't even care about left-wing ideas before 1991 suddenly became die-hard communists. 1990s had a lot of left-wing mass demonstrations, featuring old people who for some reason refused to die out because they "didn't fit into the market**" As the pro-Western liberals discredited liberal democracy even further, the hardcore left went into full Stalin worship, because they thought only totalitarian rule could bring Russia out of the abyss (and because when Stalin was alive, they could still get their dick hard).

I've seen a bunch of those people on the internet, and they usually have the following traits:
  • They ignore the shortcomings of Soviet economic system (of course!), because they are either too nostalgic about the good old times when ice cream costed 20 Soviet kopeks, or look at the economic growth of Stalin's era without noticing the bad things it caused (endless grain requisitions and the retardedness of local officials resulting in the famine of 1933, the confiscation of valuables from the Orthodox Church in order to sell it to the West and buy industrial machinery, etc.). They also downplay the queues in stores of late USSR, claiming it was all Western propaganda/fault of several wreckers in the Party that should have been shot/etc.
  • Continuing with the point above, they fully believe official Soviet economic statistics which were often very, very :optimistic:, to put it mildly. Evidence to the contrary is Western propaganda, obviously.
  • They fap to the might of Soviet military, even though its maintenance severely hampered the civilian sector of the economy. Also they forget such things as dedovshchina, colossal mismanagement in every single part of the Soviet Armed Forces except the most battle-ready ones and other ugly features of the mighty Soviet Army.
  • They fap to the idea of authoritarian rule in general, and Stalin is their idol. As a result, they very often fully approve of Stalin's repressions... except Katyn, which was Nazi propaganda and didn't happen (also, secret protocol of Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact don't real). Those who were wrongfully shot were either actual traitors or their execution was ordered by traitors in the NKVD and the Party.
  • They approve of Stalin's mass deportations of Crimean Tatars, Chechens and the like, because every single one of them was a Nazi collaborator, info 100% true. The deportations were a very dumb move that only inflamed inter-ethnic tensions in the region and caused a lot of trouble in the long run***, but try telling these people that.
  • In general, they like to attribute many mistakes done by the Soviet Union to traitors infiltrating the upper echelons of power. They also fap to the all-mighty Soviet state-security and intelligence services. Orwell would have had a field day with their kind of logic.
  • They fap to North Korea, because from the outside it looks like Stalinist heaven. Tales of North Korean mass repressions are... guess what?
  • Those who are exceptionally exceptional believe China's economic success is a result of socialism, and not Deng Xiaoping ditching state planning of the economy in favour of state capitalism. They ignore the drawbacks of such economic policies - massive corruption, the ever-growing gap between the rich and the poor, etc.
  • They cannot even comprehend the idea of political pluralism. To them, all political forces not in line with their ideology are traitor scum on US State Department's payroll.
  • Outward hostility towards all businessmen and entrepreneurs, because they obviously got their money through dishonest means****. They also can't fathom how the non-manufacturing sectors of the economy like services actually work, so they are very hostile towards office workers, those who work in the IT sector, etc.
  • International diplomacy is too hard for them to understand, and so is international trade. All deals with the West are bad by definition, because they are Russia's enemies by default and are pretty much about to invade Russia tomorrow 1941-style, except Putin doesn't know that. The universal solution to all international crises is "Strike them first before they strike us first". Their favourite mantra is "If we don't fight the Americans in [insert location here], soon we'll have to fight them in Moscow". In 2014, during the Donbass War, when Putin didn't invade Ukraine South Ossetia-style, the amount of REEEEEEEEEEEEing by that crowd went off the charts. The Minsk treaties and Putin's word combination "Our Western partners" also trigger them a lot.
  • They also think that when Russian politicians like Putin say something or sign some kind of a treaty, they are 100% truthful and stick to the letter all the time, while the backstabbing West doesn't follow on their obligations all the time.
  • Too many to count!
In recent years, the ideological differences between these people and other Russian authoritarians have significantly faded away. Imagine someone who is a die-hard fanboy of both Soviet Union and Imperial Russia. These people are united by support of all totalitarian rule, regardless of ideology, severe anti-Western xenophobia, imperialism, jingoism and love for mass executions of all "enemies of Russia". The signs of them drifting towards each other first appeared during the political strife of 1993, when Yeltsin and pro-Western liberals faced an unholy alliance of communists, various other left-wingers, nationalists, monarchists and neo-Nazis, all united by their opposition to economic shock therapy. You'd typically see them together back then.

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They are nicknamed "vatniks" on the Internet, largely by pro-Western student kids and anti-Russian Ukrainians.

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*All ex-socialist countries had significant problems in the 1990s, like East Germany, Poland and the Baltic states, among others. But in the 1990s they looked like success stories compared to Russia, and I'm not even talking about war-torn shitholes.
**Attributed to Russian liberal politician Anatoly Chubais, who said that in the 1990s when he was called out on the death toll of neoliberal economic policies.
***For example, Chechens didn't like Russian rule one bit and often helped the Nazis when they reached the Caucasus during WW2. Instead of hanging the collaborators high like all countries would do, Stalin brilliantly decided to deport all Chechens into the deserts of Uzbekistan and replace them with Russians. There was only one problem: it only made them more anti-Russian, so they started to cause problems in Uzbekistan, and when Khruschev decided to allow them back into their homeland, widespread inter-ethnic strife between Chechens and Russians began. When the Soviet Union broke up, the region exploded.
****To be honest, judging by how many Russian oligarchs got their riches, they aren't 100% wrong. They just think all people who start their own business are like that.
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plus commies don't even have starbucks wtf
 
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Have you guys ever heard of Yuri Bezmenov? He was an ex-URSS citizen initially a journalist (but most of the employee of the journal were KGB agents working on influencing foreign citizens into the glorious ideology that is communism) which escaped from the place back in the 70s.

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He was always fascinated by India and its culture, so he was assigned a couple of time in the country to do mostly journalism but also influence the local communists. The more he learned about India once there, the more his views of the USSR fell appart, so he planned his escape. He dressed as a hippy, made friend with a Us hippy group traveling in India, and left the place for the US with them.
He had a child with a woman in the USSR, except this woman was "assigned" to him by officials, so he never felt anything to her.
If you listen to some interviews about what he did, he recalled one time when they invited people (mostly teachers and intellectuals) from the US. Before that, each of them received some kind of flyers explaining what they'll do once in the URSS. Once there, they were escorted 24 hours a day by members of the KGB or their informants to various places like a school (which seemed really good, except it was reserved for childrens whose parents were officials) or a wedding exposition. They were supposed to be drunk at all time in order to change their vision of the all thing.
He called them "the usefull idiots", people who had no idea they were used and if necessary, would be killed after that.
I can also remember how the KGB could pull some impressive stunts, like profiling every major influencer in a town to get them removed once the commies would rise in said city.
He also had some talks about how communist "infest" places of teachings and ruins the foundations they are built upon.
According to him, most of the KGB agents were mainly doing propaganda and influence work like he used to.

On the whole communism ideology, I've always find it rather strange to imply all (or most of) the workers would rise up at the same time to fight against the bourgeoisie. Most of the time, the people who rised up were already diehard communists in countries with political unrest.
 
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To be serious for a moment, this thread would have been much more successful if it dealt with 2017 American Communists/ American college campus communists/ Tumblr communists/reddit communists/ twitter communists.

Really, they all need their own threads because the hard left is cliquey as fuck, and they all hate each other more than the capitalist oppressors that they claim to be their enemies.
 
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FromaCorvairSix said:
To be serious for a moment, this thread would have been much more successful if it dealt with 2017 American Communists/ American college campus communists/ Tumblr communists/reddit communists/ twitter communists.
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The Worker's Revolution that they want to happen in the United States would be good as they would be the first ones gunned down by rednecks who would be leading the Revolution (who do you think are the oppressed ones in the USA class-wise?).
 
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