Carl Benjamin / Sargon of Akkad / Akkad Daily / The Thinkery / @not_sargon / @WarPlanPurple - Leader of the "Liberalists" & Droning Pseudo-Intellectual Boomer anti-SJW Activist, Applebees Waiter, Mass Shooter Whiteknight

[instythot]

The reason they can get away with that iirc is because of the laws (and lack thereof, really) concerning cryptocurrencies. That aside, I don't see how canceling cards because they don't want to deal with trying to exchange a cryptocurrency is equivalent to freezing your bank account because of your political beliefs.

In both cases, it's a third party unrelated to the transaction passing approval on what a person can spend their money on.

The banks can just as easily let you transfer fiat money to a crypto seller, let you settle up the credit account with them and also say "yeah, sorry we don't take whatever coin that is. Figure out how to convert it to something we do work with and come back. Looks like you wasted your money!" But they step in and stop the transaction because someone uninvolved doesn't like your decision. Or your decision to fund a political outlook

 

[Anonymousshitposter09]

I think it should, though. This is honestly one thing I'm not libertarian on. Same with the USPS deciding not to handle mail for individuals.

It's probably not Patreon's decision. People seem to be saying "Patreon, but maybe also PayPal" - no, I promise you it's both, and because the latter went first.

Patreon touches not a single dollar. It holds no FIN, it pays not a single person, it handles not a single cent. It is a platform entirely reliant on Stripe and PayPal. If one of them says someone has to go, they have to go. If either drops Patreon as a customer, Patreon's entire company collapses. If MasterCard or Visa says to Stripe or PayPal someone has to go, they have to go. Stripe losing Visa Card would be in the range of billions of dollars of revenue a year. The company would be gone.

The only solution here is (a) to have a way for companies to compete with VC/MC, or (b) to have the Government tell banking institutions or pseudo-banks like PayPal that they have to play nice.

That's never going to happen, though, which is why I continue to scream BITCOIN, BITCOIN, BITCOIN, I DON'T CARE IF IT'S DOWN RIGHT NOW, IT'S THE WINTER IT ALWAYS GOES DOWN IN THE WINTER BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN PEOPLE ARE BUYING SHIT, FUCKING BITCOIN.

And honestly if you're happy about this in any way besides just "lol karma xD" you get a special fuck you straight from my heart.

Too heavy handed for a board about mocking people for the lulz, don't you think?

The way I see it... the more technology improves, the more likely it is that it will get harder and harder to revolt against the system. Who can fight AI tanks and airplanes with handguns? Hell, who will even dare to question our robot overlords as long as they hand us our happy pills?

Worldwide totalitarianism is inevitable and its a matter of when not if... as Huxley -sort of- put it in his "the ultimate/final revolution" speech:

https://publicintelligence.net/aldous-huxley-1962-u-c-berkeley-speech-on-the-ultimate-revolution/

Better enjoy our freedom while it lasts. (Boomers had the right idea and don't let anyone tell you otherwise)

 

[Miller]

The reason they can get away with that iirc is because of the laws (and lack thereof, really) concerning cryptocurrencies. That aside, I don't see how canceling cards because they don't want to deal with trying to exchange a cryptocurrency is equivalent to freezing your bank account because of your political beliefs.

There's also the fact that these banks don't want to be accused of working with the alt-right. During the french presidential elections the Front National was accused by the media of "working for Russia/Putin" because they took money from a russian bank. The reality was a bit different: every french and european bank refused to lend money to the Front National because they feared a backlash from activists and the MSM.

 

[Spooky]

I agree with you more on the PayPal perspective than on Patreon but these still are private companies. I doubt that mastercard and stripe would ever truly deplatform from patreon since it makes them too much money, this is likely a patreon directive at the broad suggestion of the payment processors to a degree.

Patreon has the right to protect whatever brand image it wants by deplaftorming undesirables just like how Victoria's secret has the right to only make underwear for skinny people. To suggest that a platform like patreon is vital enough to warrant government regulation the same way the post office or ultities are is frankly ridiculous in my opinion.

It's somewhat related but it always strikes me as funny that all the Alt right people keep talking about how the government should pass laws to make it so Twitter and Facebook can't deplatform them. Youre perfectly free to shout your shit in a public square like the founding fathers envisioned and opening up regulation to this sets a precedent for all the liberal ideas of government over regulation in other social areas.

The problem is that alternatives like makersupport and hatreon already got (((shut down))). I agree that Patreon choosing who it wanted to let use it would be fine if payment processors were regulated.

You aren't literally free to shout your shit in the public square though. Remember UTR, basically every major proudboy event, Patriot Prayer, antifa not being punished at all while people who defend themselves face serious jail time... The whole thing is pure refined anarchotyranny. I don't have to like or agree with those groups to see that.

Just a quick question, do you think banks are a private entity that should be allowed to halt service for whatever reason they want?

How about payment processors?

I think both should be forced to do business with anyone who isn't breaking serious laws, but I guess you didn't ask me.
I think banks already have some regulation in this regard but am unsure. They certainly should since they are propped up by the Fed though the Federal Funds Rate, QE, bailouts, and Federal grantees regarding money you deposit in the bank... basically the Federal Reserve as a whole.

I think payment processors and financial institutions leaning on companies to deplatform people should be illegal as fuck. Not optimistic we'll ever see that legal change though.

I could be wrong about this, but I think US financial institutions like banks have to render service. I wonder if people can somehow lean on CHASE quickpay in the short term or if that is a spun off service that isn't under the same rules.

I can't believe I would actually support nationalizing service banks and payment processors.

 

[Gypsymagic]

The moron who runs Gab is trying to hop onto the bandwagon and build his own patreon. Dude can barely keep his site up, he thinks he's going to be able to make a competitor to patreon? i imagine this falls apart in just a few weeks.

https://archive.is/FrsTg

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

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The problem is that alternatives like makersupport and hatreon already got (((shut down))). I agree that Patreon choosing who it wanted to let use it would be fine if payment processors were regulated.

You aren't literally free to shout your shit in the public square though. Remember UTR, basically every major proudboy event, Patriot Prayer, antifa not being punished at all while people who defend themselves face serious jail time... The whole thing is pure refined anarchotyranny. I don't have to like or agree with those groups to see that.


I think both should be forced to do business with anyone who isn't breaking serious laws, but I guess you didn't ask me.
I think banks already have some regulation in this regard but am unsure. They certainly should since they are propped up by the Fed though the Federal Funds Rate, QE, bailouts, and Federal grantees regarding money you deposit in the bank... basically the Federal Reserve as a whole.


I could be wrong about this, but I think US financial institutions like banks have to render service. I wonder if people can somehow lean on CHASE quickpay in the short term or if that is a spun off service that isn't under the same rules.

I can't believe I would actually support nationalizing service banks and payment processors.

That’s what happens when you’re presented with nothing but bad options.

 

[Spooky]

The moron who runs Gab is trying to hop onto the bandwagon and build his own patreon. Dude can barely keep his site up, he thinks he's going to be able to make a competitor to patreon? i imagine this falls apart in just a few weeks.

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https://archive.is/FrsTg

He may be an opportunistic sperg, but at least he is "doing something"

IIRC Notch has a little bit of love for old Carl, so I wonder if he will give him some money or try to help. I think he is probably the only one in a position and hated enough anyway to do it.

 

[Lucas Silva #4903141]

So, possible reasons for the ban:

ThotAudit blowback
Support for violent extremists
Inflaming cultural hatred
Extremely iffy soundbites re: age of consent
Ringleading targeted harassment
Several greatest hits I just can't remember at the moment

It could be any of them, most likely a combination of all of them but tomorrow, Vee is going to be screeching about "none of the above, it was a gay op"

What are some examples for "support for violent extremists" and "inflaming cultural hatred"?
I have to admit I haven't kept up with much of sargon's idiocy.

 

[instythot]

What are some examples for "support for violent extremists" and "inflaming cultural hatred"?
I have to admit I haven't kept up with much of sargon's idiocy.

Speaking at proud boys events. Some sort of mixup with FBI terminology led to the press calling them "extremists according to the FBI"... not entirely accurate, but when you have news articles backing it up, it's an easy case to make

Most of what he says about Islam and the Muslim ability to integrate or not form rape gangs can easily be filed under inflating cultural hatred these days

Whether these things are strictly true or not, there's enough to check those boxes from a corporations point of view

 

[Blagher]

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The problem is that alternatives like makersupport and hatreon already got (((shut down))). I agree that Patreon choosing who it wanted to let use it would be fine if payment processors were regulated.

You aren't literally free to shout your shit in the public square though. Remember UTR, basically every major proudboy event, Patriot Prayer, antifa not being punished at all while people who defend themselves face serious jail time... The whole thing is pure refined anarchotyranny. I don't have to like or agree with those groups to see that.

I think that's a separate issue of the police not doing a good enough job controlling the crowds and both sides going in with bad faith. As it stands the proud boys were perfectly free to spout their ideology and March on it, that wasn't denied to them. Keep in mind that unite the right 2 was still approved and allowed because the government can't fully stop them from public assembly or whatever its called.

I think both should be forced to do business with anyone who isn't breaking serious laws, but I guess you didn't ask me.
I think banks already have some regulation in this regard but am unsure. They certainly should since they are propped up by the Fed though the Federal Funds Rate, QE, bailouts, and Federal grantees regarding money you deposit in the bank... basically the Federal Reserve as a whole.


I could be wrong about this, but I think US financial institutions like banks have to render service. I wonder if people can somehow lean on CHASE quickpay in the short term or if that is a spun off service that isn't under the same rules.

This is a weird analogy but the only thing I can think of at the time. Imagine if you have a big name youtube celebrity who's extremely hated on the internet. Whenever he is seen with a brand name in his vids, it leads to mass boycotts and lost sales for those companies. You are the owner of a small clothing line and he walks in wanting to buy your clothes to wear on the new video. Are you obligated to sell him thwt clothing knowing full well the shit storm that will ensue with your business?

Also, banks don't have to render service. The reason why credit unions became a thing was because major banks were refusing to render service to a large swathe of the population creating a hole in demand. You obviously can't deny service on sex, age, race etc but that is about it.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

Speaking at proud boys events. Some sort of mixup with FBI terminology led to the press calling them "extremists according to the FBI"... not entirely accurate, but when you have news articles backing it up, it's an easy case to make

Most of what he says about Islam and the Muslim ability to integrate or not form rape gangs can easily be filed under inflating cultural hatred these days

Whether these things are strictly true or not, there's enough to check those boxes from a corporations point of view

Remember gamergate, Pewdiepie, and the Killstream, the media will exaggerate or flat out lie with the sole intent of reprisal against you. They're not just reporting on the news, they're trying to destroy your life and tell you what you can and can't think.

 

[Kirito]

Remember gamergate, Pewdiepie, and the Killstream, the media will exaggerate or flat out lie with the sole intent of reprisal against you. They're not just reporting on the news, they're trying to destroy your life and tell you what you can and can't think.

Is it that unforgivable to fuck someone over when they started the fight with you and your sphere? What sort of faggot lets somebody do nothing but attack and try to deplatform them and just says "it's okay sorry about the patreon and paypal"

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

Is it that unforgivable to fuck someone over when they started the fight with you and your sphere? What sort of faggot lets somebody do nothing but attack and try to deplatform them and just says "it's okay sorry about the patreon and paypal"

It'd be a crying shame if people finally decided to ruin the lives of journalists that go on the offensive instead of just going "aw shucks"

Liberals act like the media is some godsend holy institution when the media flat out wants censorship. We live in bizarro land, artists wanting more boundaries, librarians burning books, journalists wanting crackdowns on what you can say, see, and hear....

 

[Blagher]

Remember gamergate, Pewdiepie, and the Killstream, the media will exaggerate or flat out lie with the sole intent of reprisal against you. They're not just reporting on the news, they're trying to destroy your life and tell you what you can and can't think.

That's cool but Sargon also proud associations with people like Tommy Robinson and other people who sprout the anti Islam, anti immigration line of rhetoric and sprouts them too in his videos.

Pewdiepie on the other hand didn't have a history of antisemitism so it was one event that was stretched out. The equivalent would be if pewdiepie was putting those retarded parenthesis around shit and joked about gassing jews a lot in his videos before this.

 

[Spooky]

I think that's a separate issue of the police not doing a good enough job controlling the crowds and both sides going in with bad faith. As it stands the proud boys were perfectly free to spout their ideology and March on it, that wasn't denied to them. Keep in mind that unite the right 2 was still approved and allowed because the government can't fully stop them from public assembly or whatever its called.




This is a weird analogy but the only thing I can think of at the time. Imagine if you have a big name youtube celebrity who's extremely hated on the internet. Whenever he is seen with a brand name in his vids, it leads to mass boycotts and lost sales for those companies. You are the owner of a small clothing line and he walks in wanting to buy your clothes to wear on the new video. Are you obligated to sell him thwt clothing knowing full well the shit storm that will ensue with your business?

Everyone with a brain is aware that all these instances aren't "police not doing their job." It was intentional sabotage of political enemies while enforcing every little obscure law against one group and letting the other get away with whatever it wants. Hell when the group they don't like doesn't do anything but defend themselves, they make up crimes and/or drive the group they don't like into the one they won't do anything about along paths they randomly changed from the plan to intentionally make things worse

I think your analogy is bad since clothing largely has value due to brand name while payment processors are far far behind the scenes, but the answer is simple - the clothing company just tells people they didn't have a choice and not to blame them

 

[GranDuke]

That's cool but Sargon also proud associations with people like Tommy Robinson and other people who sprout the anti Islam, anti immigration line of rhetoric and sprouts them too in his videos.

Pewdiepie on the other hand didn't have a history of antisemitism so it was one event that was stretched out. The equivalent would be if pewdiepie was putting those exceptional parenthesis around shit and joked about gassing jews a lot in his videos before this.

This. Pewdiepie is still kicking because there was little meat to his story. Carl on the other hand is retarded. You don't have to lie much (if at all) in order to make him look bad/evil.

 

[Kirito]

It'd be a crying shame if people finally decided to ruin the lives of journalists that go on the offensive instead of just going "aw shucks"

Carl attacked them first. He also attacked Jim, Ralph and their sphere first too. It's perfectly acceptable to get back at him for acting like a huge faggot towards them for months on end.

 

[instythot]

I think that's a separate issue of the police not doing a good enough job controlling the crowds and both sides going in with bad faith. As it stands the proud boys were perfectly free to spout their ideology and March on it, that wasn't denied to them. Keep in mind that unite the right 2 was still approved and allowed because the government can't fully stop them from public assembly or whatever its called.




This is a weird analogy but the only thing I can think of at the time. Imagine if you have a big name youtube celebrity who's extremely hated on the internet. Whenever he is seen with a brand name in his vids, it leads to mass boycotts and lost sales for those companies. You are the owner of a small clothing line and he walks in wanting to buy your clothes to wear on the new video. Are you obligated to sell him thwt clothing knowing full well the shit storm that will ensue with your business?

Also, banks don't have to render service. The reason why credit unions became a thing was because major banks were refusing to render service to a large swathe of the population creating a hole in demand. You obviously can't deny service on sex, age, race etc but that is about it.

But they should be forced to for basic transaction stuff. In this age of electronic purchasing, payment processing should be treated as a public utility. You pay for your water or electricity, and they don't get to tell you what to do with it.

With so many people getting paid by direct deposit these days and the centralized power of visa and mastercard, it's just a small step to literally holding people's income hostage over opinions

 

[Buggins]

I'm not sure how much he usually makes per stream but aren't his audiences usually rather small compared to the amount of subscribers he has?

His livestream channel is trailing far behind his other channels, and has only gotten worse amidst all the self-inflicted drama.
Not even his fans can suffer to watch this talentless hack's farthuffing throughout an entire livestream.

Little Carlito's poor decisions and shitty personality are catching up to him...

 

[Chronic Perturbator]

As some have said upthread it's entirely possible that his paypal and youtube accounts are soon to follow. On the topic of superchats and streamlabs, I'm not sure how much he usually makes per stream but aren't his audiences usually rather small compared to the amount of subscribers he has?

Also I don't really know how much dough he makes from his irl stuff, and I don't even know if he sells merch, but I can't imagine he makes much from either. I don't think this will bankrupt him per se but it's going to put a massive vise on his wallet.



Knowing Carl he's probably not saved up much of a nest egg. Though the possibility exists, for sure.

Unless I am awfully wrong on living costs in the UK for a family of three (well, okay, four mouths, Carl's a big boy), 100k a year just off Patreon is a great amount of money. It's not particularly easy to piss that away, especially since his wife, as someone in the thread said, does also have a job and that's an additional 25k at least.
What would he even spend all this money on? Coke?