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Seriously? Are they missing the whooe point of fucking Apokolips?

One of the most powerful Apokilips stories to me is in Superman: TAS. Clark defeats Darkseid in front of the people of Apokolips, and tells them they’re finally free of the overlord that’s been oppressing them for so many years? And what do the people do? They cry out and carry Darkseid off so they can nurse him back to full health.

The scary thing about Darkseid is that he’s bent a whole civilization around his will. The Female Furies aren’t 2nd-citizens; everybody but Darkseid is. It’s a whole planet jockeying for rank so they can be in the favor of this one guy. It’s scary to the reader because to them, the idea of any other kind of life is unimaginable. It’s scary because it’s so foreign to the way we think, and because this guy, this symbol of ever-present lurking evil can and will do this to the rest of the universe if he’s unopposed.

I can already tell you this is bullshit. The whole narrative of Apokolips is nothing but oppression, so you can’t really cast the Female Furies as more oppressed than everybody else without changing what made the story good in the first place.

It should also be noted that the Female Furies also share "pampered pet" status of sorts; they basically get cushy assignments and out of all of the Court of Darkseid, they tend to be the ones who are least likely to get Omega Effect killed by Darkseid. But that's mainly due to them being the Navy Seals of Darkseid's elite and the fact that they pretty much report to Granny Goodness, who's entire claim to fame is that Darkseid lets her run most of the planet for him, because she's even eviler than he is since she's the fucking GOD OF CHILD ABUSE.

Hell, if you want to do a Female Furies comic, you should base it upon Granny staging a coup against Darkseid and having it end in graphic failure and Granny getting Omega Beam killed, due to the Furies basically turning on each other (as Ostrander's Suicide Squad established internal division between Lashina/Dutchess and Bernadeth) and then use said mini-series to explain WHY Granny Goodness was MIA for the entire five year period that was the New 52 and why Big Barda ultimately quit the Furies (as she believed Darkseid respected Granny more than anyone else and would never Omega Effect kill her) and helped Mr Miracle escape.

Why Ms. Marvel looks like she is a granny in her mid-late 60's ?



Frank Miller in his book with Will Eisner says that the rules of the Code were writter with the clear intent to bring EC down,since the EC standard was way higher than the one the other comics label like DC or Charlton had at the time
Eisner says instead that the Code was a rush job to avoid a goverment intervention and EC was caught in the crossfire because it was an easy target

Marvel and DC were not involved in the Comic Code, but Archie Comics was. Archie explicitly marketed itself as "wholesome" comics during the early 50s moral panic and most conspiracy folk tend to put credence on them being the ones who pushed the CCA to adopt rules explicitly to kill the EC horror line (and horror comics in general.

Marvel at the time was a fifth string company who in the early 50s mainly put out romance comics and cowboy books (and the occasional horror book). DC still had the big three (Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman) and their back-ups (Aquaman, Green Arrow, Superboy), but by this point had retired most of their super-hero characters in favor of western books and had already begun retooling their horror books (which were always super tamed compared to their competition) into sci-fi driven books.

Archie was the one who had the most to gain by killing EC, hence why many blame them for the specifics in the comic code that went after EC's horror line.

That’s been DC’s curse for years. Each “streamlining” continuity change just ends up creating more continuity hiccups in the long run. Legion may be the perfect example of that (the fucking pocket universe) but it’s far from the biggest one.

Crisis didn't kill Legion, but a serious of fuck-ups killed the title's commercial viability:

1. They took Legion off the newstands and made it a direct market book

2. They let Keith Giffen give the team a huge make-over which included some really god-awful new costumes

3. Levitz writing some really bad storylines (shoving Atmos down peoples throats, breaking up Dream Girl/Star Boy and writing out Star Boy, the new Starfinger, and pretty much the last year of the book's third volume sans the final six issues, when Levitz got word he was being kicked upstairs and would have to leave the book)

4. The disastrous V4/TMK run, which among many many sins, explicitly alienated huge chunk of the audience that came into the book in the mid-70s (writing out, depowering, doing horrible things to fan favorites like Dawnstar, Wildfire, Timber Wolf) and featured Keith Giffen trying his best to rip off Watchmen, right down to the nine panel grid format.

Mark Waid being an asshole didn't help; Waid explicitly cheered the V4/TMK run at the start as "the Legion being made pure" due to Waid explicitly hating all post-Adventure Comics era Legion stories/members. And the TMK using the book to canonize some of the worst god-awful fanon, further alienated the fanbase of the book and killed it deader than disco as the franchise was stuck in the hands of jerks who thought the Silver Age of Comics was perfection and anything after 1969 as blasphemous heresy that needed to be purged (hence Waid constantly rebooting the Legion every chance he gets his hands on it, damn the fans).

It would depend on the contract he signed with DC. Bendis went over to DC specifically to "write" Superman and publish his own shitty line of books. It wouldn't surprise me if he had some guarantees in his contract that locked him on those titles for a set amount of time. If that's the case--and I'm just speculating here--DC really can't do much except maybe cut costs by giving him a cheaper artist and less promotion.

As far as I can tell, Bendis seems to be suffering from the same writing crutch as Tom King. Neither author is writing the characters, but writing about the characters with the metatextual subtlety of a brick to the face. Its that weirdly passive 3rd person tone to everything that's really off-putting. They spend so much time having the characters talk (or think) about what they're doing that it ends up undercutting the drama and stakes of what's actually taking place. The comics Bendis and King write aren't exciting. They don't tickle that adventurous spirit that we all have. They are, instead, dull exercises in navel-gazing by a bunch of middle aged men who are trying to ape Alan Moore, but have no idea why Alan Moore's metatextual stories actually work.

Fuck you, Tom King.

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It's been rumored that Bendis has been promised an "omnibus" collection of his run. Omnibuses are huge volumes (usually 20-50 issues). Also, it's been rumored that DiDio knows Bendis is a lost cause monthly-wise (hence why they stopped double-shipping the Superman books) and is now justifying Bendis on Superman by holding out desperate hope that Bendis/Superman gives DiDio the "evergreen" Superman run he can sell to normies as trades the same way that Snyder's Batman run is treated (due to Snyder being in the right place at the right time).

It's also been speculated, especially in light of DC forcing Bendis to bring Lois back after writing her out, that DC has resigned themselves to low sales on Superman and are just waiting for Doomsday Clock to end; the idea being that Geoff Johns will solve all of their problems by erasing Bendis' run from canon at the end of Doomsday Clock and they can simply move Bendis over to Young Justice full time until his contract expires and they can be rid of him.

Well, that was when he was still partnered with Andy Lanning, but I look at that run as one of the best Legion runs of all time. Hell, I have three copies of "Legion of the Damned," both floppies and a trade paperback, because I needed to complete their run.

It gets depressing when you learn that Gail Simone immediately followed their run and there was Waid's "Threeboot" after that. Annett (and Lanning) made the Legion an excellent read and that all got fucked up because Waid wanted another reboot. Hasn't the Legion suffered enough?

The DnL Legion was far from universally loved. Legion of the Damn was considered pointless grimdark. Legion Lost was widely reviled, they crapped over Dawnstar and replaced her with an OC character (and further crapped on Wildfire after the previous creative team raped him), and killed off several characters and derailed others.

Their run didn't become tolerable until Legion Words (which was more worldbuilding and them not crapping on the characters) and even then, their ongoing "The Legion" had them use Batvillain Ra's Al Ghul as the big bad and further fucked up Projectra, and ended with a convoluted rip-off of the Great Darkness Saga and saw the introduction of another Superboy to the roster as a failed sales boost gimmick.

Gail's four issue filler run that followed the end of the DnA run was praised, but only because it actually felt like a Legion story from the late 70s.

And the DnA run itself got screwed over by politics collection-wise: Oliver Coipel left the book to go to work for Marvel and Levitz, in a pique, declared he'd never collect any of his Legion work due to Coipel being someone DC had cultivated with an eye towards making him a lifer at DC. It wasn't until Levitz stepped down from his position of authority that the DnA run started getting collected in any shape or form.
 
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Since @neural mentioned all there is in Comicsgate are spergs like Ethan van Scriver and Renfamous, I decided to look up one of the other spergs in what they're railing on (that hasn't been posted on here):

SJWSpiderman still sperging over autism in the funny books.
I don't know if one guy supporting proud boys means this would be the whole face of a movement but then again, this is all autism and SJW Spider-Man sounds like they can be as unhinged as their enemies over "gotcha" shit.
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Outside of CG tism and a hateboner over a pro-sperg of CG, SJW Spider-Man sheds some light on Doug TenNapel. I don't know how much of a sperg the creator of Earthworm Jim is but I fail to see how using some pro-LGBT version of a character from a dead franchise will do anything beyond mildly annoying its creator (prolly be another thing if TenNapel reacts like Hartman did with his ghost cartoon being called trans).
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And as a side note: Anthos/The Unknown Autobot/Anthony Bapst has been diving into the autism of ComicsGate.
https://twitter.com/TheAllKnowingN1
Unsurprisingly, he's on the anti side and has made some rather special tweets over it.

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https://twitter.com/TheAllKnowingN1/status/1095140145085513728
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Someone decided to SWAT Simeti.

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These anti-CG fuckers are completely deranged.
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Or how long until the swatter starts bragging to get backpats?
I hope they get arrested and receive the harshest sentence possible. I hope he starts suing everyone who tried to tie him in with white supremacy. It was fucking bound to happen eventually, I’m shocked that it was Simeti of all people.

@AnOminous does swatting count as attempted murder? And what is the jail time involved for the person commiting it?

Outside of CG tism and a hateboner over a pro-sperg of CG, SJW Spider-Man sheds some light on Doug TenNapel. I don't know how much of a sperg the creator of Earthworm Jim is but I fail to see how using some pro-LGBT version of a character from a dead franchise will do anything beyond mildly annoying its creator (prolly be another thing if TenNapel reacts like Hartman did with his ghost cartoon being called trans).
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Doug comes off as a self-impressed jackoff a lot of the time, but he doesn’t really express much affection for Eathworm Jim outside of the first game. He’s basically given up on it since he was screwed out of the rights.

Trying to use the character against him is completely autistic and shows these people don’t actually pay any attention to the goings-on within CG.
 
These anti-CG fuckers are completely deranged.

I hope they get arrested and receive the harshest sentence possible. I hope he starts suing everyone who tried to tie him in with white supremacy. It was fucking bound to happen eventually, I’m shocked that it was Simeti of all people.

As far as I'm aware it's rare that the pricks doing the swatting are caught and punished, unless the swatted party is injured or dies from the result. For example the cuck who caused the 2017 Wichita swatting death had called in something like 30 bomb threats / swats without being caught and was likely only caught because the cops killed some innocent 3rd party man. Hopefully Simetti can get justice, but i doubt it.

All of this over his policy of thanking customers and not being allowed to use a blockbot while under his publishing label :stress:
 
So there's a voice actor called Vic Mignogna that has voiced a lot of anime characters, including one in that theatrical Dragonball Z movie which must be making like 50 times its budget back in America alone. He's a handsome guy and apparently quite popular with teenage girl anime fans and able to pull a big audience at the anime cons he appears at. However, recently there's been allegations that he's been creeping on people and making sexual advances to underage fans and that sort of thing, and he's been fired from a couple of his gigs and disinvited from cons (he probably makes much more money from the latter than the former). One of the companies that fired him claimed that they did an "investigation," so presuming they really did and found enough evidence to fire him, did they take that evidence to the police? Ten bucks says no. Mignogna fans are saying this is a coordinated sinking of his career of a man guilty of no more than being a highly successful voice actor in a competitive field while being an unapologetic Christian. Rackets did a stream about this last night.

Some people are calling this the beginning of AnimeGate along the lines of ComicsGate and GamerGate, but I don't think it's quite the same - it so far hasn't turned against the consumer like those two. But as it involves so far unfounded accusations of sexual impropriety, and as I'm a comedic genius, I've come up with a better name for it: #aniMeToo.

The main accuser of Vic M. Is a known Radical Feminist employee of Funimation who is already on the anime fandoms radar for questionable shit. Such as inserting attacks on Gamergate and other male fandoms into the English dubs of anime. Jamie March. Safe bet is Funimation investigation was simply talking to her Listen’ing and Believing. Vic May be a creeper. But anything coming from March must be examined carefully. She is very much a feelz are more important than facts ideologue. She’s basically anime’s answer to the Marvel Milkshake Twit.
 
It should also be noted that the Female Furies also share "pampered pet" status of sorts; they basically get cushy assignments and out of all of the Court of Darkseid, they tend to be the ones who are least likely to get Omega Effect killed by Darkseid. But that's mainly due to them being the Navy Seals of Darkseid's elite and the fact that they pretty much report to Granny Goodness, who's entire claim to fame is that Darkseid lets her run most of the planet for him, because she's even eviler than he is since she's the fucking GOD OF CHILD ABUSE.

Hell, if you want to do a Female Furies comic, you should base it upon Granny staging a coup against Darkseid and having it end in graphic failure and Granny getting Omega Beam killed, due to the Furies basically turning on each other (as Ostrander's Suicide Squad established internal division between Lashina/Dutchess and Bernadeth) and then use said mini-series to explain WHY Granny Goodness was MIA for the entire five year period that was the New 52 and why Big Barda ultimately quit the Furies (as she believed Darkseid respected Granny more than anyone else and would never Omega Effect kill her) and helped Mr Miracle escape.



Marvel and DC were not involved in the Comic Code, but Archie Comics was. Archie explicitly marketed itself as "wholesome" comics during the early 50s moral panic and most conspiracy folk tend to put credence on them being the ones who pushed the CCA to adopt rules explicitly to kill the EC horror line (and horror comics in general.

Marvel at the time was a fifth string company who in the early 50s mainly put out romance comics and cowboy books (and the occasional horror book). DC still had the big three (Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman) and their back-ups (Aquaman, Green Arrow, Superboy), but by this point had retired most of their super-hero characters in favor of western books and had already begun retooling their horror books (which were always super tamed compared to their competition) into sci-fi driven books.

Archie was the one who had the most to gain by killing EC, hence why many blame them for the specifics in the comic code that went after EC's horror line.



Crisis didn't kill Legion, but a serious of fuck-ups killed the title's commercial viability:

1. They took Legion off the newstands and made it a direct market book

2. They let Keith Giffen give the team a huge make-over which included some really god-awful new costumes

3. Levitz writing some really bad storylines (shoving Atmos down peoples throats, breaking up Dream Girl/Star Boy and writing out Star Boy, the new Starfinger, and pretty much the last year of the book's third volume sans the final six issues, when Levitz got word he was being kicked upstairs and would have to leave the book)

4. The disastrous V4/TMK run, which among many many sins, explicitly alienated huge chunk of the audience that came into the book in the mid-70s (writing out, depowering, doing horrible things to fan favorites like Dawnstar, Wildfire, Timber Wolf) and featured Keith Giffen trying his best to rip off Watchmen, right down to the nine panel grid format.

Mark Waid being an asshole didn't help; Waid explicitly cheered the V4/TMK run at the start as "the Legion being made pure" due to Waid explicitly hating all post-Adventure Comics era Legion stories/members. And the TMK using the book to canonize some of the worst god-awful fanon, further alienated the fanbase of the book and killed it deader than disco as the franchise was stuck in the hands of jerks who thought the Silver Age of Comics was perfection and anything after 1969 as blasphemous heresy that needed to be purged (hence Waid constantly rebooting the Legion every chance he gets his hands on it, damn the fans).



It's been rumored that Bendis has been promised an "omnibus" collection of his run. Omnibuses are huge volumes (usually 20-50 issues). Also, it's been rumored that DiDio knows Bendis is a lost cause monthly-wise (hence why they stopped double-shipping the Superman books) and is now justifying Bendis on Superman by holding out desperate hope that Bendis/Superman gives DiDio the "evergreen" Superman run he can sell to normies as trades the same way that Snyder's Batman run is treated (due to Snyder being in the right place at the right time).

It's also been speculated, especially in light of DC forcing Bendis to bring Lois back after writing her out, that DC has resigned themselves to low sales on Superman and are just waiting for Doomsday Clock to end; the idea being that Geoff Johns will solve all of their problems by erasing Bendis' run from canon at the end of Doomsday Clock and they can simply move Bendis over to Young Justice full time until his contract expires and they can be rid of him.



The DnL Legion was far from universally loved. Legion of the Damn was considered pointless grimdark. Legion Lost was widely reviled, they crapped over Dawnstar and replaced her with an OC character (and further crapped on Wildfire after the previous creative team raped him), and killed off several characters and derailed others.

Their run didn't become tolerable until Legion Words (which was more worldbuilding and them not crapping on the characters) and even then, their ongoing "The Legion" had them use Batvillain Ra's Al Ghul as the big bad and further fucked up Projectra, and ended with a convoluted rip-off of the Great Darkness Saga and saw the introduction of another Superboy to the roster as a failed sales boost gimmick.

Gail's four issue filler run that followed the end of the DnA run was praised, but only because it actually felt like a Legion story from the late 70s.

And the DnA run itself got screwed over by politics collection-wise: Oliver Coipel left the book to go to work for Marvel and Levitz, in a pique, declared he'd never collect any of his Legion work due to Coipel being someone DC had cultivated with an eye towards making him a lifer at DC. It wasn't until Levitz stepped down from his position of authority that the DnA run started getting collected in any shape or form.
Dawnstar was always a bad character, change my mind.
 
As far as I'm aware it's rare that the pricks doing the swatting are caught and punished, unless the swatted party is injured or dies from the result. For example the cuck who caused the 2017 Wichita swatting death had called in something like 30 bomb threats / swats without being caught and was likely only caught because the cops killed some innocent 3rd party man. Hopefully Simetti can get justice, but i doubt it.

All of this over his policy of thanking customers and not being allowed to use a blockbot while under his publishing label :stress:
SWATting really should carry a felony-level penalty, since it involves the possible use of deadly force (the fact that the weapon in question is one or more cops doesn't matter).
 
@AnOminous does swatting count as attempted murder? And what is the jail time involved for the person commiting it?

No. Depends what you're charged with.

SWAuTistic is charged with involuntary manslaughter when someone actually died.

These anti-CG fuckers are completely deranged.

What even is the deranged obsession with Doug TenNapel? Compared to anything he's done, the insane, frenzied hatred really just comes across as utterly psychotic.
 
What even is the deranged obsession with Doug TenNapel? Compared to anything he's done, the insane, frenzied hatred really just comes across as utterly psychotic.

Sadly, its a fairly normal reaction from the woke Twitter crowd. "Words are violence" is not just something they say to shut down people who disagree with them, they actually believe it. To their deranged minds, Doug's opposition to gay marriage is literal violence that's denying them their right to live, putting vulnerable marginalized homos at risk, and inspiring hate crimes across the planet.
 
What even is the deranged obsession with Doug TenNapel? Compared to anything he's done, the insane, frenzied hatred really just comes across as utterly psychotic.
From what I remember, he's a Christian man who holds some views that some people don't like. An example of the sperging he received from Anthos:
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It honestly makes one wonder if Doug really is some far-right winger or it's more likely Anthos is one of those spergs thinking "anyone right of me must obviously be a fash."

Another example of spergings towards Doug.
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I don't know how reliable HowStuffWorks is but I'm pretty sure the hermaphrodite worms are different from humans that are intersex. Beyond that, this all more or less can sound like an exceptional attempt at trying to own a guy who doesn't really have any ownership of a dead character since the first game.

As for Doug himself, this would be one example of him supporting ComicsGate, thus also being a target for some spergs if him misgendering some Kotaku writer wasn't enough.
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What even is the deranged obsession with Doug TenNapel? Compared to anything he's done, the insane, frenzied hatred really just comes across as utterly psychotic.
It might be that he's the most evangelical of the CG tentpoles, at least externally. Along with what others have posted, I'll bring up that one of the casualties of the EVS/Nerkish split was a series of YT streams called Saving Nerkish where he used apologetics arguments to try to convince the agnostic Nerkish about the truth of Christianity. And since SJWs tend to think in extremes, that means all evangelicals act like Westboro Baptist members and TenNapel is really, really triggered by stuff like an Earthworm Jim icon done in trans flag colors, when in reality he seems to be a pretty chill dude.
 
Outside of CG tism and a hateboner over a pro-sperg of CG, SJW Spider-Man sheds some light on Doug TenNapel. I don't know how much of a sperg the creator of Earthworm Jim is but I fail to see how using some pro-LGBT version of a character from a dead franchise will do anything beyond mildly annoying its creator (prolly be another thing if TenNapel reacts like Hartman did with his ghost cartoon being called trans).
I don't think Doug is one to be upset about that in the least. When you listen to enough of his streams he has talked about Earthworm Jim. He doesn't even own the rights to the character since it's creation and feature in the video game. He signed his rights away in that deal. The current owner of the trademark on Earthworm Jim has tried to sell it to him before on a few occasions but wants something like 500k for it.

Doug has said that he let the character go because he can easily create new ones and longing to reclaim an old creation was a frivolous pursuit. Its another world of exceptional if you think you can rile up someone with that outlook. Out of the CG line up, Doug comes off as the most measured one of the bunch having done streams with people like Maddox and handling it with a calm demeanor.

It just comes across as dumb. The anti-CG crowd pick the worst targets and attack points possible.
 
I sincerely doubt Chungus cares about ComicsGate. Too niche to be as big as GamerGate. While swatting could possibly come from pro-cg spergs, still can't deny the possibility the spergs on the anti side did it. Like @neural said: it's all crazed individuals in this shitshow and either one cam be swatting a guy.

I don't think Doug is one to be upset about that in the least. When you listen to enough of his streams he has talked about Earthworm Jim. He doesn't even own the rights to the character since it's creation and feature in the video game. He signed his rights away in that deal. The current owner of the trademark on Earthworm Jim has tried to sell it to him before on a few occasions but wants something like 500k for it.

Doug has said that he let the character go because he can easily create new ones and longing to reclaim an old creation was a frivolous pursuit. Its another world of exceptional if you think you can rile up someone with that outlook. Out of the CG line up, Doug comes off as the most measured one of the bunch having done streams with people like Maddox and handling it with a calm demeanor.

It just comes across as dumb. The anti-CG crowd pick the worst targets and attack points possible.
TenNapel not giving shit really would make these anti's sound more sperg than before.l though the hot takes of Anthos would be hard for any of them to top.
 
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I sincerely doubt Chungus cares about ComicsGate. Too niche to be as big as GamerGate. While swatting could possibly come from pro-cg spergs, still can't deny the possibility the spergs on the anti side did it.

It could even be some /baph/ type who doesn't give a shit about either side and just wants to see the shit fly.
 
I was surprised to find Jawbreakers on my doorstep tonight. The cover looks great, Ethan did an awesome job with the gorilla. It came wrapped in plastic. The mailer says it shipped Feb 7th. Going to try to read some of this tonight it looks promising.
Edit: The posters came inside the wrapper folded and the inside cover is signed by ya boi Zack.
 

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