Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[Archeopthryx]

So the VA that dropped out are organizing their own version of Tanacon? Nice.

 

[Urbanmech]

So the VA that dropped out are organizing their own version of Tanacon? Nice.

Maybe we will have to wait and see.

 

[Boss Nigger]

If sabrat is still going to be at the con, I want to get in line and have him sign a photo of vic

 

[TheClappening]

If sabrat is still going to be at the con, I want to get in line and have him sign a photo of vic

That reminds me, if you do, post a screencap of the receipt. I remember Renfamous screeching about refunds and chargebacks, and she showed her email receipt. It had Texas abbreviated as "Te" which is pretty weird. Wondering is she actually did buy a ticket. Granted it could have been "Texas" and just cropped off, but still weird.

Hell I might buy one, even if I'm halfway across the country. $35 is a reasonable show of good will for these people.

 

[ProtecSpeedwagon]

That reminds me, if you do, post a screencap of the receipt. I remember Renfamous screeching about refunds and chargebacks, and she showed her email receipt. It had Texas abbreviated as "Te" which is pretty weird. Wondering is she actually did buy a ticket.

Hell I might buy one, even if I'm halfway across the country. $35 is a reasonable show of good will for these people.

Her doing that is fucking atrocious. She is openly encouraging people to commit "friendly fraud"(super exceptional term, but it's what is used). This is dangerous, very dangerous and can have permanent and long term ramifications on a vendor. They cost vendors what is estimated at $2.4 for every $1 lost, and can have them paying fines/fees and possibly having restrictions placed on their ability to process credit cards.

The absolute worst part about it, is that modern laws have not caught up yet, so it's neigh impossible to prosecute. Vendors can attempt to levy it as fraud(which it is), but it will never work.

 

[Boss Nigger]

Renfamous

Speaking of fat whales.

Spoiler: ESRB: A for Adult

Why do these retards not know how to delete fucking tweets.
That's fucking 8 tweets every single god damn day.

you do not need tweets on your twitter later then the past week

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

Have to ask since I havent been here from the beginning but was there THIS level of outrage when he was still kept on for anime matsuri?

Because Anime Matsuri's Husband and Wife team told the tiny ass twitter outrage mob to go fuck themselves. As weird as the Con's head is they're smart as business people go. They soon found nothing was going to change from their whining, no dopamine rush of "making a difference" and promptly fucked off.

Look at the hilariously tiny number of retweets and likes every single fucking tweet has got from the "outraged" you're fucking lucky if they break 100. Nobody gives a flying fuck about these VAs and panellists pulling out.

So it’s only the current Super cast that is dropping out so far, huh? What a coincidence.

WHAT A FUCKING COINKYDINK. Almost like the Texas clique of VA's are collaborating their efforts against a single specific person not fully inside their clique. Claiming they're "not safe" at a place being selfied, CCTV'd, armed security and about a half dozen lawyers around Vic to ensure no funny shit is pulled off.

Considering how fucked up these mongs definitions of various crimes are, they'd have all been triggered to literal, actual death by even seeing Vic.

Sabat, if he's smart, will leave this lot high and dry and continue everything and be the only one to make any fucking money whatsoever off of Kamehacon.

And Sabat strikes me as a ruthless twat first and foremost.

 

[Jaimas]

I have a feeling that whatever event Sabat, Rial, and the other speds throw in behind is going to need me to break this out of retirement:

 

[ShaggyDawg]

Hi guys, new user here. Been watching a while, love your work. Still catching up with the thread so some things I mention might've already been brought up.

Since most of the ones that have dropped so far are from Super, I decided to focus on those that have dubbed DB Super:

Cucked Out:

• Daman Millis - Monaka
• Jason Douglas - Beerus
• Josh Grelle - Grand Priest
• Sarah Wiedenheft - Zeno
• Monica Rial - 4th Bulma

Still going:

• Eric Vale - Future Trunks
• Clifford Chapin - Cabba
• Dawn Bennet - Kale
• Elizabeth Maxwell - Caulifa
• Ian Sinclair - Whis
• Dameon Clarke - Cell/Paragus
• Chris Sabat - 2nd Vegeta/Piccolo

I suspect the next one to drop will be one of these. Or Josh Martin - Majin Buu

I just wanted to ask and state a few things:

1) Is schemmel not attending the con? Weird no announcement yet but we've got Sabat, Vic and Clarke already.

2) I know this list is only for the anime cast, but also add to the "still going" list, content creator Alejandro Saab (Voice of Shallot in the mobile game, He's confirmed he will still be attending) in addition to this, Sonny Strait & Caitlyn Glass (Krillin and Vados, not sure if the latter was confirmed to begin with), Alexis Tipton (Kid Trunks) and Cynthia Cranz (Chi-Chi).

All of the "losses" so far haven't been the significant either. Monica, isnt the OG Bulma, Daman is most significantly Frieza in the absence of the ill Chris Ayres but both of them aren't the OG Frieza, Douglas was only going to be there on Friday and Wiedenheft & Grelle just recently joined. Outside of those characters they dont really have many notable roles. The rest have just been Geekdom's buddies who he pitched to kamehacon and now they end up kicking his ass.

Also, lol to Eric Vale still being around, Don't think hes going to jump ship as people have been murmuring that he's got skeletons in his closet.

3) These people that have supposedly cancelled, have they actually cancelled or just posting statements on social media as a way to hold the con hostage again with fan backlash? I mean, there hasn't been an official announcement of them cancelling and they are still present on the kamehacon site (the VAs at the least, I didnt check the content creator part). I guess this could be as well due to kamehacon trying to work something out with them or not wanting to cause even more drama by double confirming things.

4) Wrt the new place Monica and the others plan to get, I'm guessing Sabat might shill for a space in the Okatron for them. It's currently the easiest place for them to all access and run by someone they trust. If people could splurge $500 for a tour through the whole thing that's 30 minutes away from the con, I think they might make the trip "just to prove a point"

5) On the content creator side, I would advise watching Terez27. Shes going off like there's no tomorrow retweeting and posting KickVic messages. Ironically shes an overly sensitive hypocrite. She blocks anyone who has a different opinion to her despite what she says. Heck, about a week ago, she put multiple gaming content creators on blast just because they disagreed with her on a sub to dub change in the OG DBZ dub, then blocked them claiming they were the lowest pieces of trash in the fandom or something (Apparently banned one off the dbz subreddit too cos she thought he copied their sidebar). Curiously, she claims not to have a contract with kamehacon, but to the extent of my knowledge if someone offered to pay you to do something and you agree, that's a contract. Does she think a verbal agreement doesn't constitute a contract? I mean it's harder to prove, but it's still a contract.

Oh lastly, I've seen some people post videos from perfection here. I wouldn't put much store by what he says as some of the stuff he reports on is taken out of context or missing some elements. That doesn't mean they probably didnt happen, but just take all his vids with a grain of salt as he might be cancerous

WHAT A FUCKING COINKYDINK. Almost like the Texas clique of VA's are collaborating their efforts against a single specific person not fully inside their clique. Claiming they're "not safe" at a place being selfied, CCTV'd, armed security and about a half dozen lawyers around Vic to ensure no funny shit is pulled off.

Considering how fucked up these mongs definitions of various crimes are, they'd have all been triggered to literal, actual death by even seeing Vic.

Sabat, if he's smart, will leave this lot high and dry and continue everything and be the only one to make any fucking money whatsoever off of Kamehacon.

And Sabat strikes me as a ruthless twat first and foremost.

Apparently there wasn't that much security at last year's con but I wholeheartedly agree that it's ridiculous to claim you're dropping out because of security reasons. Lol maybe they think the fans are going to jump them because they've been running their mouths on Social Media. As for Sabat, I think Iago has something planned where both he and his friends benefit from this whilst also "making a statement".

Iago=Sabat
Igor=Geekdom101 ?

 

[captkrisma]

As for Sabat, I think Iago has something planned where both he and his friends benefit from this whilst also "making a statement".

Iago=Sabat
Igor=Geekdom101 ?

Sabat absolutely has benefits for those that jumped. The benefit for the Super VA group that left is future employment in DB or any other project that uses OkraTron 5000.

 

[Urbanmech]

Hi guys, new user here. Been watching a while, love your work. Still catching up with the thread so some things I mention might've already been brought up.



I just wanted to ask and state a few things:

1) Is schemmel not attending the con? Weird no announcement yet but we've got Sabat, Vic and Clarke already.

2) I know this list is only for the anime cast, but also add to the "still going" list, content creator Alejandro Saab (Voice of Shallot in the mobile game, He's confirmed he will still be attending) in addition to this, Sonny Strait & Caitlyn Glass (Krillin and Vados, not sure if the latter was confirmed to begin with), Alexis Tipton (Kid Trunks) and Cynthia Cranz (Chi-Chi).

All of the "losses" so far haven't been the significant either. Monica, isnt the OG Bulma, Daman is most significantly Frieza in the absence of the ill Chris Ayres but both of them aren't the OG Frieza, Douglas was only going to be there on Friday and Wiedenheft & Grelle just recently joined. Outside of those characters they dont really have many notable roles. The rest have just been Geekdom's buddies who he pitched to kamehacon and now they end up kicking his ass.

Also, lol to Eric Vale still being around, Don't think hes going to jump ship as people have been murmuring that he's got skeletons in his closet.

3) These people that have supposedly cancelled, have they actually cancelled or just posting statements on social media as a way to hold the con hostage again with fan backlash? I mean, there hasn't been an official announcement of them cancelling and they are still present on the kamehacon site (the VAs at the least, I didnt check the content creator part). I guess this could be as well due to kamehacon trying to work something out with them or not wanting to cause even more drama by double confirming things.

4) Wrt the new place Monica and the others plan to get, I'm guessing Sabat might shill for a space in the Okatron for them. It's currently the easiest place for them to all access and run by someone they trust. If people could splurge $500 for a tour through the whole thing that's 30 minutes away from the con, I think they might make the trip "just to prove a point"

5) On the content creator side, I would advise watching Terez27. Shes going off like there's no tomorrow retweeting and posting KickVic messages. Ironically shes an overly sensitive hypocrite. She blocks anyone who has a different opinion to her despite what she says. Heck, about a week ago, she put multiple gaming content creators on blast just because they disagreed with her on a sub to dub change in the OG DBZ dub, then blocked them claiming they were the lowest pieces of trash in the fandom or something (Apparently banned one off the dbz subreddit too cos she thought he copied their sidebar). Curiously, she claims not to have a contract with kamehacon, but to the extent of my knowledge if someone offered to pay you to do something and you agree, that's a contract. Does she think a verbal agreement doesn't constitute a contract? I mean it's harder to prove, but it's still a contract.

Oh lastly, I've seen some people post videos from perfection here. I wouldn't put much store by what he says as some of the stuff he reports on is taken out of context or missing some elements. That doesn't mean they probably didnt happen, but just take all his vids with a grain of salt as he might be cancerous

Wasn't Schemmel thought to be responsible for trying to get Peter Kelamis (Other Goku) canceled in last years Kameha Con? That may be why he wasn't invited this year, why deal with that hassle. Granted I don't think they thought this year would be such a huge hassle that they are thinking this will be the last time they run the Convention.

 

[boulderblundermatt90]

You know, it just occured to me. The hilarious thing is that they all cancelled.... when Ty is in contact with Kamehacon after proving you can crowdfund legal defense for ty beards firm.

Ty, bring up the possibility of crowdfunding legal teams to go after them. or someone do it. because if the beard got to go after them in another matter, the salt mines would never go empty again.

 

[Chronic Perturbator]

https://web.archive.org/web/2019030...com/shane_holmberg/status/1102937507329646592
https://web.archive.org/web/2019030...com/shane_holmberg/status/1102944365075460098
https://web.archive.org/web/20190305152533/https:/twitter.com/Nintendo_VX/status/1102942042374787072
Forgot to post these, but oh well, better late than never. Theese posts have in them some slightly interesting statements from Shane. Vic has confessed to something, there are witnesses, people who would get sued already got lawyers, all that fun stuff.
They're circa 5th of March, given the most odd activity on Shane's end I figured archiving some of his interesting statements won't hurt, just so he can't go nuclear and delete it all in. It'd be a real pity if he has to tell the court just what witnesses is he talking about in those tweets, what did Vic confess to and when and to who, or how did he know something that wasn't announced publically - namely, that people who'll get sued by Vic already have lawyers.

 

[ShaggyDawg]

Sabat absolutely has benefits for those that jumped. The benefit for the Super VA group that left is future employment in DB or any other project that uses OkraTron 5000.

Assuming they still use the OkraTron after this all blows over. Don't forget not everyone does, it's just convenient for some staff as alot of them live in Texas and Sabat gave them a nice price for use. Sean lives in LA (i think) idk whether he makes enough to fly down to Texas nearly every week for a few hours of recording

Wasn't Schemmel thought to be responsible for trying to get Peter Kelamis (Other Goku) canceled in last years Kameha Con? That may be why he wasn't invited this year, why deal with that hassle. Granted I don't think they thought this year would be such a huge hassle that they are thinking this will be the last time they run the Convention.

Well yes and no. Apparently he has issues with other Goku VAs as he used to assume they leeched off his fame (because he saw it happen before or something, idk, he goes in depth about it towards the beginning of the second part of his interview with Geekdom101 on YT) or some crap like that. It's basically a load of bullshit and possibly him just trying to cover his Diva/Beta Male attitude but its worth a listen to just for his rambling about the whole ordeal.

SEAN SCHEMMEL INTERVIEW PART 2 of 2: LIFE AS GOKU, Career Retrospective, Debunking Myths, + more

EXCLUSIVE GEEKDOM101 & SEAN SCHEMMEL INTERVIEW as part of ICONS here on Christmas Eve! SEAN SCHEMMEL TALKS GOKU BLACK in Dragon Ball Super, Playing Goku, get...

youtu.be

I honestly don't know whether that's the reason kamehacon didn't invite him or they were planning to reveal him within this week or next week like they did last year as a sort of surprise. Then this whole Vic/Monica/Sabat stuff came up with the con and now they have to stay quiet about it. I think its possibly the latter, I mean besides the ill Chris Ayres, nearly every other big player from the new movie is present and invited right now

 

[verissimus]

Not that you probably couldn't identify most of the kickvic people as nutjobs, wouldn't it be more likely that Mr. Beard's Igor is Schemel considering he also said another fictional character that could best describe the individual in question is Renfield? In other world's, Renfield's insanity vs. Schemel's supposed bi-polar condition I heard of.

 

[ShaggyDawg]

You know, it just occured to me. The hilarious thing is that they all cancelled.... when Ty is in contact with Kamehacon after proving you can crowdfund legal defense for ty beards firm.

Ty, bring up the possibility of crowdfunding legal teams to go after them. or someone do it. because if the beard got to go after them in another matter, the salt mines would never go empty again.

That's up to kamehacon to decide whether or not they want to go after the VAs and content creators for breaching their contracts. If it were me in charge of the con, I would and claim that their statements on social media hurt the company brand and interfered with current and future contracts and convention sales. All of these people on Social media aren't fully aware of the influence they have with their followers by posting all of this crap without thinking.

 

[Urbanmech]

That's up to kamehacon to decide whether or not they want to go after the VAs and content creators for breaching their contracts. If it were me in charge of the con, I would and claim that their statements on social media hurt the company brand and interfered with current and future contracts and convention sales. All of these people on Social media aren't fully aware of the influence they have with their followers by posting all of this crap without thinking.

Don't forget Mr. Beard also mentioned the fact that the whole harassing/extorting/blackmailing thing to prevent Vic to get into Kameha Con could lead to criminal charges. Honestly be wise to let that play out then if you want go after the other VA's for breach.

 

[Zilortha]

Not that you probably couldn't identify most of the kickvic people as nutjobs, wouldn't it be more likely that Mr. Beard's Igor is Schemel considering he also said another fictional character that could best describe the individual in question is Renfield? In other world's, Renfield's insanity vs. Schemel's supposed bi-polar condition I heard of.

It could be. But (and I could be wrong here) I was under the impression Igor was supposed to be out there doing the dirty work, stirring shit up, and getting work done in some way.

Hence Igor/Renfield: A crazy, broken lackey to someone of much greater influence. That doesn't really fit for Sean. Sean has been remarkably quiet throughout all of this, and he hasn't really been anyone's lackey as far as I can see. He's an unstable idiot, but I haven't seen anything that makes me think he's that involved.

So for me, it feels more likely that Sabat is our silent shit-stirrer like we suspected, and that Igor is one of these public provocateurs causing problems, spreading messages, etc. But because there are so many people like that, it's hard to narrow down.

But I'm not sure. It's hard to tell. There are so many shady people involved spouting the same rehearsed lines and sounding alike that I can't say I'd be that surprised if they turned out to be someone else.

 

[ShaggyDawg]

Not that you probably couldn't identify most of the kickvic people as nutjobs, wouldn't it be more likely that Mr. Beard's Igor is Schemel considering he also said another fictional character that could best describe the individual in question is Renfield? In other world's, Renfield's insanity vs. Schemel's supposed bi-polar condition I heard of.

I dont think Sean is Bi-polar, i think he just has some form of legit autism or something. As much as I hate Geekdom, his interviews with these VAs provide some very interesting insight into them. Check these out, Sean actually mentions why he rambles so much and acts the way he does in one of them (think part 1).

SEAN SCHEMMEL INTERVIEW PART 1 OF 2: Becoming Goku, Music, Puppets, Life.

History is made once again as THE VOICE OF GOKU SEAN SCHEMMEL talks to me about life, growing up in Iowa and moving to Texas, playing French Horn, meeting Ca...

youtu.be

SEAN SCHEMMEL INTERVIEW PART 2 of 2: LIFE AS GOKU, Career Retrospective, Debunking Myths, + more

EXCLUSIVE GEEKDOM101 & SEAN SCHEMMEL INTERVIEW as part of ICONS here on Christmas Eve! SEAN SCHEMMEL TALKS GOKU BLACK in Dragon Ball Super, Playing Goku, get...

youtu.be

Also, while sean is a good contender for Igor, I'm more inclined to believe it's Geekdom as Sean doesn't particularly like Sabat due to Sabat effectively being more well loved in the community nor criticized as much as Sean has for his voice acting. Sean has even told him to fuck himself/fuck off before when sabat made a snide comment around the same time Sean was getting shit for kicking kelamis off the first kamehacon and his goku black accent.

(Sorry guys, no archive cos Sean deleted his twitter a few hour after all that went down)

To call Igor, Igor or Renfield makes me think the individual has no spine in particular and may do things because they blindly follow and do shit for Iago for some reason. Maybe Clout, or exclusive interviews, or something of the sort. If not Geekdom, maybe a certain blue haired Golbat who loves screeching into the wind.

 

[Burnout]

Interesting how his tweet is almost identical to that Monaka's tweet, except smart enough to use singular pronoun instead of plural. That doesn't make it look like a form tweet handed out to them as part of a civil conspiracy to interfere with Vic's business and contracts at all.

The fun part about that is this provides more and more targets for discovery. That, in turn, provides more and more material to question the key players about and many, many more opportunities for them to trip up their stories and contradict themselves. All it takes is denying the simplest of things being said that BHBH can prove was said and their word is shit for the duration of the case.

Wine Mom sure is getting a lot of mileage out of pretending she's so much smarter than Drunk Youtube Lawyer.

Someone walked past my screen while those images were up and asked if those eyebrows were some kind of snapchat filter gone horribly wrong. I didn't have the words.

Oooh, that'll be interesting. Ren seems to think she knows all about the "cancellation clauses" and "termination clause" in guest contracts, so I can't wait to see what these contracts actually say...

To me this begs the question of how she had access to a guest contract and, regardless of the answer, why it was not a plausible reason for BHBH to have seen one too - seeing as their client would have had one to show them.

Wonder if this little endeavor will be funded by ANN?

Nah, Soye's company can finance it with the money he's been holding hostage from KamehaCon.

Well looks like ANN is in Shut It Down mode now. Remember guys, Vic suing people is a wild conspiracy theory and completely unfounded. Don't spread those obviously false rumors and tinfoil hat nonsense.

"Look guys, we don't want to be the bad guys here, but if censorship doesn't work we're going to be forcibly burying your heads in the sand for your own protection. Now get back in line and STFU..."