TCPA Hearing 9/6/19 - Marchi ran from the Law, TI crumbles, conspiracy still on the table, and collective autism from all sides.

[instythot]

I hope at least after this, people can all be done with this tard cum-toast "art vs artists". It never works. Don't put your money in the pocket of evil people.

Fuck you I'm gonna buy all of Varg's vinyls

 

[Immaculate Ape]

I don't even know how Lemoine could frame an argument like this...

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

This is a pretty entertaining recounting of things...
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Wait wait wait... Wasn't Lemwah basically arguing that his clients are a platform ? 230 applies to social networks themselves, people who actually post there can still be liable, it's just that Twitter and such are themselves absolved of any responsibility as platforms, as opposed to publishers, in which case different standards would apply.
If judge agrees with this argument, then he really is a boomer. Or I'm just super exceptional and understand this wrong.

 

[BBChannel]

So defamation and conspiracy is still on the table. Eh, not bad.
Ty should absolutely appeal the ruling on TI for Ron, though.

Finally read up everything.
I'm actually amazed the TI was dropped and defamation stayed in. I always thought the defamation causes were the ones likely to be dropped with the TI causes being the strongest.

For the Ron TI drop, I'm more surprised, it sounded like Chupp dropped it because Ron only did one instance of TI and that somehow isn't enough since it only happened to one con?

I don't understand how strong monetary damage can be calculated from defamation without the TI since his business prospects were interfered with. Is that mostly a jury thing where it is punitive only?

 

[Moguro Fukuzou]

I fucking wish I could have seen the look on Chupp's face when this happened

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Pardon the reaction image but I can only think of Chupp's face being somewhat like this as soon as he saw that first slideshow picture.

 

[Immaculate Ape]

Wait wait wait... Wasn't Lemwah basically arguing that his clients are a platform ? 230 applies to social networks themselves, people who actually post there can still be liable, it's just that Twitter and such are themselves absolved of any responsibility as platforms, as opposed to publishers, in which case different standards would apply.
If judge agrees with this argument, then he really is a boomer. Or I'm just super exceptional and understand this wrong.

The Judge didn't agree, he asked him sarcastically if retweeting means that he's absolved of responsibility

 

[Dixieland Buckaroo]

The impression relayed of Chupp from the initial hearing (whether to depo before or after TCPA) was that he was a no nonsense, cut straight to the bone guy. This seems to still be the case. Ty was late with some important evidence, so Chupp seems to have chucked it (evidence that would have strongly supported TI).

We'll see if Nick's admonition of, "The judge may seem hard in court and then rule in your favor" bears fruit in 30 days (or less).

Now Chupp may have opened a wide appeal door for Vic based on the reports of the evidence standard requested, but that's moot until the rest is decided.

 

[quickthrowaway]

IANAL but there's no way that's how public figure status works

 

[Captain Manning]

A Thread where spergs spend a good 4/5's of it giving Live Hot Takes on second hand info from someone who couldn't hear everything, and was having trouble understanding what the judge meant.

Well, my hot take on the TI dismissal was correct, even though we didn't get confirmation from Nick until some minutes after I made said hot take.

It's still shocking.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

I was at the hearing. I am not KickVic or IStandWithVic, just curious how a case like this plays out. However, feel free not to trust some anonymous newfag (and apparently not the only one joining for this thread).

It'll take time for me to read the thread from the start. Before then, what are the remaining open questions people have as to what happened? I can provide facts and impressions, but would prefer to avoid anything too speculative.

Did Ty actually seem to be fumbling before the Judge?

Was the judge covering his face and getting exasperated with counsel?

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

I hope at least after this, people can all be done with this tard cum-toast "art vs artists". It never works. Don't put your money in the pocket of evil people.

I sort of disagree with this. Almost everybody believes/has done SOMETHING stupid and shitty. There's a difference in degree, to be sure, but if you're only willing to be entertained by perfect people, you're never going to be entertained at all.

 

[Pope of Degeneracy]

For now, it seems those "fuckheads" on twitter were in the right - but then who knows maybe Chupp will go Judge Dredd on the defamation claims and the case goes forward.

PS: Legal lads -> does this mean that Lemoine can finally claim he "won" a TCPA?

I'm not a legal lad, but TCPA is still undetermined since defamation and conspiracy are still on. Fuher can't invade Poland yet.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Is it time to get a tin foil hat and assume the judge was bribed?

Conspiracy: Casey, the OG lawyer for the defense, hooked him up with bourbon and everclear.

 

[Sheryl Nome]

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IANAL but there's no way that's how public figure status works

Its not, and it could be appealed.

 

[Zǒngtǒng bǐ dēng wànsuì]

I am still trying to wrap my head around how the defamation got through but not the TI.

Critical failure on a d20 roll ain't that uncommon in the justice system esp. in small fish vs big fish scenarios.

 

[Tranny Dick Noballs]

Is it time to get a tin foil hat and assume the judge was bribed?

Are you insinuating that he may now have a full bluray collection of Dragonball Z, kai and Super? Christ...

 

[Pope of Degeneracy]

Is it time to get a tin foil hat and assume the judge was bribed?

Do you honestly think that any of these fools have the money and power to be in a position to bribe a judge?

 

[AnOminous]

I am still trying to wrap my head around how the defamation got through but not the TI.

Unless he actually threw out the declarations supporting it, it sounds like a reckless, half-assed decision during the hearing which will reflect badly on it if there is an appeal.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

The Judge didn't agree, he asked him sarcastically if retweeting means that he's absolved of responsibility

Well I sure hope so, it would mean he's actually competent after all

 

[Immaculate Ape]

So it looks like it was the fact KamehaCon re-invited Vic back, and that was the ONLY KNOWN contract to exist, TI was torpedoed, which makes sense.