TCPA Hearing 9/6/19 - Marchi ran from the Law, TI crumbles, conspiracy still on the table, and collective autism from all sides.

[NewTroonGoofin]

Holy shit all the Vic stans thinking they know more about the law than the judge are absolutely hilarious. Imagine what they'd say if the situation were reversed. Top notch reeeing today.

 

[Pomniman]

Half of the posts in this thread read like they're so thoroughly invested in a positive outcome for Vic, case in-point being that random bridge-hopper a few pages back. A lot of objectivity seems to be lost in the flurry of rooting for the preferred team.

It's certainly an interesting case to follow, but is getting MeToo'd by unfuckable voice-actresses really such a pressing concern that it's time to tie the noose if Vic loses?

You seem to be severely underestimating the autism of average online spergs. A lot of tards on both sides genuinely have no lives outside of this.

 

[AnIncredibleDerp]

If it's not provable through a third party honestly. They have to prove the agreement existed in the first place.

Vic claimed such in his affidavit and depositions. That's enough for prima facie, especially when all evidence is to be interpreted in his favour. This was even stated in other cases where it was X's word against Y's. The plaintiff's word wins over in TCPA.

 

[Sheryl Nome]

Holy shit all the Vic stans thinking they know more about the law than the judge are absolutely hilarious. Imagine what they'd say if the situation were reversed. Top notch reeeing today.

>thinking judges know law

 

[Mr. Sandwiches]

That was Ty's problem that honestly he DIDN'T fuck up in. He played by the book and that showed in the results. Chupp however did not.

Then I hope he can argue the errors Chupp made and get the rulings reversed. To my understanding from both sides, Ty apparently didn't do a good job providing evidence.

If you mean to say that Ty played it straight, but Chupp's treating the matter like a trial and not a hearing was the problem, then I can agree there.

 

[teriyakiburns]

>thinking judges know law

LLLLAAAAAWWWWWWW!!!

 

[Random Internet Person]

well, based off of how things are here, vic was legally unperson'd. well chaps, heres hoping whatever wasnt overturned manages to stick, or we at least discover something else to make fun of

At least we have Edward Elric. Right?

Like I said, let's move on and focus on supporting indiependent people in the anime industry who need immediate help. Support their mangas, anime, conventions, whatever.

I seriously don't know why people keep acting like this is the end of the world.

The japanese have to deal with their fucking families dying from tsunamis and natural disasters constantly, yet they just dust themselves off and move on.

Because they feel that the injecting of politics and GamerGate shit into dubs will only get worse if they force out Vic, and the entire dubbing industry will turn into some SJW fujoshi Hell.

Even Rackets thinks Ty botched it, he's basically dead last because no one was going to be worse than a man who brought a slide with nothing but an image of a burning dumpster to a legal hearing that could play a factor in bankrupting his clients.

Ty really fucked up, didn’t he? And to think people compared him to Kenshiro once.

Id kind of figured both Ty and Fuhrer got a little lost in the internet sauce. 99% of judges are fucking superboomers who are generally ignorant of social media's effects (IE Tweets) on the real world.

I don't think today means Ty is incompetent, but I do think he needs to buckle down and stay off of Twitter/Nick's streams.

No, Lemon is super in tune with Twitter. Why do you think he and Greg showed up in the first place?

Thats life to people not in the know. On the outside both sides look like shit flinging apes in a zoo on meth.

I wouldn't doubt if he thought in his head. " I am too old for this shit".

I think that’s what happened. Hell, didn’t he have to be told what doxxing

Hm not sure if this is actually true but might be worth looking at, taken from Hero Hei's video;

Vic Mignogna hearing results and what it means for the future...

Some expected some not so expected but all in all, it seems but the litigation does continue forward less Marchi and some causes of action. — 🎁 Supporting th...

www.youtube.com

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This feels too good to be true. I don’t even know where to start looking.

Honestly, when it comes to the Weeb Wars, the thing that I'm more invested in is more shit coming out about everyone working at Funimation (Chris Sabat, mostly).

I just want to see the American Anime industry go down in flames, because it would be entertaining as fuck to watch.

Yeah, maybe it may be for the best. At least there won’t be

So Chupp wanted affidavits from additional conventions, because Ty had one from Slatosch and went on a spergout. Apparently he was pissed off that Ty said he couldn't get the affidavits, and Chupp assumed what he meant.



Jesus, Chupp must have taken his morning shit sideways

That or his scotch reserves ran out.

 

[Markorian]

Holy shit all the Vic stans thinking they know more about the law than the judge are absolutely hilarious. Imagine what they'd say if the situation were reversed. Top notch reeeing today.

Newfag, if you actually trust a judge to somehow achieve a higher level of competency than the average drooling idiot, you've literally never been involved in any legal matter whatsoever.

 

[ItalianMobStripper]

Ty Beardicus says: Do not get exceptional just yet

Link: Ty's Tweet

 

[MelloYello]

Apparently, when Chupp asked Ty which contracts were interfered with, and the metrics, Ty didn't have an answer for him. Chupp asked for at least two contracts, and Ty didn't have them.

Wait, why'd he need anything but the one very confirmed case of TI with Kamehacon?

"at least two" sounds like a really dumb standard for the burden of evidence; "show me at least two corpses before I'm willing to let this murder trial proceed"...
now, I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that's not how that works

 

[AnIncredibleDerp]

That was Ty's problem that honestly he DIDN'T fuck up in. He played by the book and that showed in the results. Chupp however did not.

Right. I don't understand all the people attacking Ty for not providing evidence which was unrelated to the burden of proof and claim of the case. How much damages was caused is not something that the TCPA deals with! There have been cases where all the facts of the case were proven, the case was WON, but the damages were awarded as $1 because no real damage was done.

Sure as hell it's not something that you deal with in TCPA, which is ONLY THERE to deal with whether or not the defendant's actions were protected under free speech.

 

[Hoss]

Holy shit all the Vic stans thinking they know more about the law than the judge are absolutely hilarious. Imagine what they'd say if the situation were reversed. Top notch reeeing today.

Ever heard of Earl Warren?

 

[NewTroonGoofin]

>thinking judges know law

>Thinking randoms on KF/YouTube know more about law than a judge.

 

[AnIncredibleDerp]

Ty Beardicus says: Do not get exceptional just yet

Link: Ty's Tweet
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Yeah, Ty should still shut up after losing every single motion decided on... Even if I think it wasn't his fault.

 

[Irrational Exuberance]

Half of the posts in this thread read like they're so thoroughly invested in a positive outcome for Vic, case in-point being that random bridge-hopper a few pages back. A lot of objectivity seems to be lost in the flurry of rooting for the preferred team.

It's certainly an interesting case to follow, but is getting MeToo'd by unfuckable voice-actresses really such a pressing concern that it's time to tie the noose if Vic loses?

It's because Vic is, all things considered, a Good Person. He is a Good Person being beset on all sides by people who he thought were his friends - or at least colleagues, but were actually plotting Bad Things against him for a long period of time, and as it turns out by their actions, were generically Bad People. As with everything, nothing is as black and white as at seems, but people like the story of Good People prevailing over Bad People because it reinforces their belief that they live in a Just universe where Just things can happen to the right people.

 

[In Heaven]

At least we still have hookers.

 

[Loose Handle]

Apparently, when Chupp asked Ty which contracts were interfered with, and the metrics, Ty didn't have an answer for him. Chupp asked for at least two contracts, and Ty didn't have them. That's bad.

It's bad on Chupp. I don't fault Ty for not knowing at least two. It's like if the prosecution indicts someone for murder, presents a recording of the guy stabbing and killing another guy, but then the judge asks "Yes, but did he also murder someone else?" Is the first one free, now?

I need some serious context to know what the hell that was about, because it's absurd on its prima facie.

 

[ShaggyDawg]

Well from what I can tell so far, looks like disappoint wrt how this all went still not clear on a few things.

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IANAL but there's no way that's how public figure status works

Agreed. I don't get that. Further, was vic even in court? Regardless, Nick did bring it up right at the beginning of this whole case that the defence lawyers will try to make an argument for a public figure status and even though Ty will argue against it, they will also be preparing a case for it, in the event that he was granted a public figure status.

So it looks like it was the fact KamehaCon re-invited Vic back, and that was the ONLY KNOWN contract to exist, TI was torpedoed, which makes sense.

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This is quite exceptional. There was a new contract made to superceed the old one.

This clarifies that Chupp was being sarcastic,

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Wait, sarcastic about which point?

These are fair points

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Gotta side with the Judge on this too. BHBH had time to get information from the prospective conventions to corroborate the TI, but he instead relied on inference which ultimately cost him a TI claim

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Ty, you didn't have to even infer it. You could've gone to any of the conventions that had canceled Vic, shown them the portion of the Slatosch messages and say "We know of interactions between Ron and Monica with conventions and we were just erring on the side of caution here. Have you been contacted by Mr. Toye or Ms. Rial around such and such date?"
You could've been doing this for months and just didn't.

Not entirely sure on this part but wouldn't it be difficult for Ty to actually get info from other cons that MoRon also called considering that many of the cons had the same opinions they had of Vic?

OK, reading HerExcellency, I think an appeal is needed.

1) Vic is public figure because 25 persons were there ? Really ? So if I want to claim that the guy who sues me is a public figure, all I have to do is to aks my whole football club to shows up to the hearing, and boom, public figure! But Vic wasn't even there, so what if those 25 people showed up for Monica ? That's a sloppy way to decide someone is public figure.

2) Defendants are not suable for TI because no damage occured in the end ? Wait, is the legal system supposed to punish criminal intent or criminal success ? For fuck sake.
You're honor, I'm want to sue X for murder attempt - you can't - but he tried to kill me - maybe, but obviously, you're still alive, so what are you complaining about ?

Yeah these are the two points that really confuse me the most.

But that's my two cents. Don't know and don't care what happens after this. Funimation suffered a massive PR hit and that's good enough for me.

Lol. I really doubt the hit Funi took to their PR was really that big or significant.

Basically how TI got tossed in a nutshell:

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Fair enough argument but I still don't get why the KC one gets thrown out just because Vic got reinvited.

Since we're already on the topic of ISWV spergs: Here's the girl that always talks like a roleplayer.

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Zeroresurrected as a bonus.

Im going to have to sue Zero resurrected. I made that joke just a few days ago on the main weebwars thread...

Alright so I need clarification now. Marchi entire case got thrown out? Guess it sort've made sense given marchi only had the hair pulling issue and the balls tweet. So where does the appeal point on her case come in?

Also, wrt MoRon and Funi, I'm guessing all their cases are not dismissed at all but the way the judge is ruling rn looks like he's going to throw out the TI case because Ty only has one piece of evidence that TI occurred. I don't see an appeal solving that unless they manage to find another con to prove TI occurred elsewhere. What of the defamation cases? As HerExcellency says, it seems the judge is more open to talks about defamation..

Can someone verify if I'm on the right track?

I'm very disappointed with the way this all turned out and I really hope they manage to rectify this, as the man has clearly been defamed and had TI committed to his contracts. End of the day we want his name to be cleared and for him to be able to work again

 

[Hoss]

Wait, why'd he need anything but the one very confirmed case of TI with Kamehacon?

"at least two" sounds like a really dumb standard for the burden of evidence; "show me at least two corpses before I'm willing to let this murder trial go forward"...
now, I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that's not how that works

That's the stupid part about all of this. The scope was to "PROVE" there was evidence. Not "Here is the evidence". That's Prima Facie. Chupp was basically asking for shit that was supposed to be introduced in a Jury trial.

Right. I don't understand all the people attacking Ty for not providing evidence which was unrelated to the burden of proof and claim of the case. How much damages was caused is not something that the TCPA deals with! There have been cases where all the facts of the case were proven, the case was WON, but the damages were awarded as $1 because no real damage was done.

Sure as hell it's not something that you deal with in TCPA, which is ONLY THERE to deal with whether or not the defendant's actions were protected under free speech.

Correct.

 

[Barry McKockner]

I'm just happy this whole shitfest gets to continue. Funni leaks were the best, but I'm waiting for gold and excuses from MoRon's end since they didnt get their dismissal.