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The fact that the left seems to think you can just form a giant mob and scream in the streets in order to impeach a politician or put someone in prison is the exact reason why I believe there should be a requirement to pass a U.S. Government test in order to vote.

Because the way it stands, not only would most of the left fail out of voting, we'd have to start seriously considering mass sterilization of the left.

These people sometimes make me really, really wonder if a hidden component of American society secretly got together and staged one of the most elaboration trolling hoaxes just to fuck with people like me, because I still can't understand how one becomes this stupid without significant cranial trauma.
George Soros literally has enough money just to fuck with everyone because he can.
 
Who’s Chuckles the Clown? Is that an inside joke?

It's a boomer reference to the Mary Tyler Moore show.

The most famous episode of the 70s Mary Tyler Moore show and arguably TV as a whole, was an episode involving a Bozo-type kid show host named Chuckles the Clown. His silly antics and the the insanely hilarious in a black humor sort of way that he died resulted in Mary Tyler Moore breaking forth into a hysterical piss your pants laughing spell at his funeral during his eulogy.

It didn't even work under him, since both the courts and legislators pushed back to the point where despite the fact that the GOP were considered poison due to being in office when the worst of the Depression came around, won a pretty big shift of over 80 house seats, 7 senate seats, and a refuckingdiculous 12 governor seats. Sure, FDR still held both houses, but the margin dropped hard, and a good portion of his own party (the dem's conservative wing) upfront refused to work with him through a lot of that congress.

If the Dems tried that shit, the same fucking thing would happen, probably even harder too given that at least FDR was really liked before he tried to rig the system to force his shit down peoples' throats.

To be fair, FDR later admitted that his court packing scheme had two purposes: one to see how far he could go to rig the courts in his favor, and (this was the ultimate big one) to put the fear into the then right leaning Supreme Court and force them to be nothing more than a rubber stamp for EVERYTHING he wanted in order to avoid FDR doing even worse to them to force them to bend the knee (IE doing what Obama did and just start murdering or blackmailing right wing Supreme Court judges until he got himself a liberal majority to do said rubber stamping.

Whelp, fuck Rian Johnson, and fuck his new film.
That's a pity because I like his first 3 films, but sounds like this one will be full of constant injection of hot takes on CURRENT SOCIAL ISSUES that'll age like skim tard cum in sun. Trump Derangement syndrome claims another one.

I think it's pretty clear that Rian Johnson is not only is a true believer, but pretty much irrevocably ass-blasted that the masses (not the people in his lunatic left bubble and the bought and paid for media whores) not only rejected his rape of the Star Wars franchise with The Last Jedi, but also have made it clear they will NEVER fucking forgive him or let him forget that he and his corporate masters resorted to the worst kind of blood libel to silence all criticism of the films. Which means, for the rest of his life/career, he's going to be branded as "The guy who killed Star Wars" and that will forever cripple his films financially going forward in terms of being doomed to going back to the C-List arthouse circuit (which BTW is what Knives Out is; arthouse Oscarbait, as Rian has probably decided to leverage his newfound contacts within the corrupt media to push Knives Out as a frontrunner for best picture/best director in term of a "you can't let the rabble slander me, I MUST have an Oscar or two in order to validate my superiority and how great TLJ was".

A lot of them still weren't funny, because they thought "Fuck Republicans" was adequate as a joke. "Bush is so dum hurr hurr hurr" and then the listeners would start barking like seals.

But since this was 2001-2009, you knew about it less.

You are seriously misremembering the decade.

9-11 was a godsend to the Republicans, since it gave them God-mod cheat code invulnerability and full immunity from consequences/the full capitulation from the mainstream media, as far as the excuse to execute agenda items in a way Obama WISHES he could have done in his Presidency.

This complete selling out of the media is why the public had to turn to comedians like Tina Fey, Jimmy Fallon, and the Daily Show for news because the mainstream media was too busy sucking Bush's cock at least until Hurricane Katrina, which was such a huge clusterfuck that even the media were forced to pull off of Bush's dick and start criticizing him due to the debacle being too big and massive to sweep under the rug.
 
It's really hard to walk out of a gun store with a rifle within an hour, depending on the store. Mostly because gun stores already do extensive background checks, how long depends on your kind of background that you have. But most of the time you are probably put on a waiting period. Depending on the store and their policies.

I'm just a random asshole, there's nothing in my past interesting enough to flag me I suppose, and the last time I bought a gun I think I waited... A half hour or so for the background check. But, I mean, I go through two or three of the damned things a year.

The ones when I buy a gun are quick. The ones when I renew my CPL take a few days, but I think that's mostly the sheriff's department being lazy. Or maybe it's actually a different level of check, I don't know.
 
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This complete selling out of the media is why the public had to turn to comedians like Tina Fey, Jimmy Fallon, and the Daily Show for news because the mainstream media was too busy sucking Bush's cock at least until Hurricane Katrina, which was such a huge clusterfuck that even the media were forced to pull off of Bush's dick and start criticizing him due to the debacle being too big and massive to sweep under the rug.

I don't think I'm the one misremembering the decade.
 
She’s too entrenched in the establishment to be forced out. Plus if anything, a loss in 2020 will give her the excuse she needs to pin the blame on every one of her political enemies in her party.

This is where the Justice Democrats and the Socialist sect of the party shot their dicks off due to piss poor planning/long view planning.

There was already internal pressure to get rid of Nancy when Trump got elected, but they got burnt BADLY with Anthony Weiner. Weiner was being groomed to be Nancy's successor but his various sex scandals rendered him radioactive and created a succession crisis since Pelosi and the far left's previous truce involved Weiner being the guy who was going to replace Nancy when the time came that she retired. Meanwhile, a lot of high profile Democrats slowly but surely got picked off in the 10s, thinning the herd of possible replacements. And that left Nancy in a bit of a bind since by that point, even Nancy realized that she needed a successor if only to prevent a Democrat Civil War if and when she was gone from Congress.

Joe Crowley, from New York was a Pelosi flunkie and loyalist. He was loyal to Nancy and was pretty much bland and non-threatening and all together the sort of consensus candidate that would have support from moderates and not offend the far left.

Or so Nancy thought.

The Justice Democrats/Socialist cliques HATED Nancy and wanted her gone ASAP. They especially did not want her as minority leader of House Democrats and wanted the House to go full-on lunatic left. To send a message to Nancy as far as threatening her and making her fear the Justice Democrats/Socialists in the DNC if she didn't go the fuck away, they got everyone's favorite bar tending re-tar-ded cunt AOC to run against Joe Crowley in the primary and spend a huge amount of money to steal the nomination from him.

This fucked EVERYTHING up, AOC's rise did. With her heir apparent now gone, Justice Democrats and the Socialist tumors now had eliminated the only way they truly had to get rid of Nancy. Which in turn also caused a huge fucking schism with the moderates/blue dogs, because they were making nice-nice with Pelosi because they were assured that she would retire/let Crowley take over no earlier than 2020. With Crowley gone, Pelosi was once again in a position to be head of the House Democrats indefinitely and that made them VERY upset. So much so that they staged a coup and tried to keep her from becoming Speaker. Which ironically forced Pelosi into a desperate alliance with the Justice Democrats/Socialists and their Cunt Squad, including AOC to stave off the moderate/blue dog coup attempt. But AOC and her Justice Democrat/Socialist masters fucking hate Pelosi too and would glade stab her in the back to get AOC or one of their own cultists into the Speaker spot.

So basically, the Democrats are in a worse case scenario in the House. Everyone, Pelosi included, would like Nancy to just retire already. But shit has gotten so bad that in terms of internal civil war, that Nancy is the only thing remotely holding the entire operation together. So they are stuck with Nancy as the proverbial adult in the room because the alternative is commies and blue dogs.
 
Back in the day, we had to use this thing called "The Mail" which took several days, sometimes weeks- hence, the background check "waiting period".
I will accept a waiting period of no more than seven days in addition to a background check because I think it is a reasonable way to do things. And that would be the extent of my elasticity on the issue. If a gun control advocate thought they could get more, they would be mistaken. I'm willing to talk about waiting periods of no more than seven days.

I mean I should also be allowed to buy hand grenades and rocket launchers but I won't press the issue that far for the sake of useful discussion.

Rated you disagree for this because... have you tried?

No really. Not rhetorical. Have you tried purchasing a gun?
I bought my most recent rifle in roughly fifteen minutes. The bottleneck was having to hand write the form.

*you know, maybe fifteen minutes is a bit low, it was probably more like 20 minutes.
 
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The news media been attacking Bush,
I remember the media responding to Bush moderately, or as a buffoon. Not as hard as how Trump is portrayed.

Since this is TDS, I found an Instagram (and Twitter) page that basically posts TDS boomer memes en masse.


Such examples:
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Have fun.
 
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Yeah, but that ties into what we mockingly call the 'scary black rifle' effect. A pistol grip gives a slight improvement in ergonomics, but it no more turns a rifle into a 'murder machine' than tying a white cloth band around your head makes you Ryu from Street Fighter.

You're correct but not for the reason you think you are. That's cause it needs to be a red cloth band around your head, then you can Hadoken and Shoryuken with the best of em.
 
It's really hard to walk out of a gun store with a rifle within an hour, depending on the store. Mostly because gun stores already do extensive background checks, how long depends on your kind of background that you have. But most of the time you are probably put on a waiting period. Depending on the store and their policies.

It depends on the state as well as the store in question.

Some states require a mandatory minimum waiting period in addition to the background check, while in other states, the waiting period only applies if certain items appear on a background check.

In Virginia, if you have a fully clean background, you can walk out of the store with the gun you bought that very same day. Most gun stores do their background checks via computer database and the cleaner your record, the less time it takes to do the background check.

With Bush they're scoring wins as he would not fight back against them at all, leaving the task to his supporters. Trump however wasn't putting up with their shit and hence the epic REEEING from them.

It also helped that Bush was an objectively bad president by most standards. The Bush Administration did far worse things and got away with them too, such as the Patriot Act and the Iraq War.

There was also the clusterfuck that was Hurricane Katrina and the even bigger clusterfuck of the 2008 Recession as well, but those were not solely the fault of the Bush Administration and other factors were in play.

Tellingly, Obama not only continued nearly all of Bush's terrible policies, but also expanded upon them.

The only reason why the MSM didn't rip into Bush nearly as bad as they do Trump is because 9/11 happened early into his presidency and the media treated him with kid gloves for the rest of his first term.

It was only after his reelection that the MSM started to more aggressively criticize him, particularly after Hurricane Katrina and the situation in Iraq becoming so much of a quagmire that nobody could ignore it.
 
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Notice how it’s only the Democrats calling for this.

Wow, a whole THREE this time....


You have a problem with... a background check taking only a few moments? So, I don't know how you missed this, but you see- we have this "internet" thing and it allows people to transfer information quickly from one place to another, almost instantly. Back in the day, we had to use this thing called "The Mail" which took several days, sometimes weeks- hence, the background check "waiting period".

This is the true purpose of the "expanded background checks" that they keep demanding. We already have insta-checks of your criminal background available on the internet that can be done so fast that it's practically over-the-counter, if it doesn't turn up anything that disqualifies you, and it takes 10 minutes, what MORE is needed? Run it again in case the database just wasn't updated yet for something you may have done between the front door and the register AT the gun store?! Why do yo have to wait?

They literally are complaining that you are complying TOO QUICKLY and TOO FULLY.

If it didn't turn anything up, it's not going to if you keep resubmitting it, which is what this "expanded" nonsense means, adding extra superfluous checks or folding in checks of irrelevant databases that will only serve to create the maximum amount of "Fails", so that a law-abiding citizen can't get a gun if you pass a criminal/psychological background check, but that unpaid parking ticket check failed ya!

The extra "gun control" they want is basically legal ways to frustrate you until they can find a hyper-nitpicky way to fail you, like an overdue library book back in 1988.

Too bad for them the internet has ruined what used to be a great way to obstruct legal behavior you didn't like....bureaucratic form-filing, and legwork to take physical forms to offices and wait in line.....
 
Now with that said, I've always had a problem with being able to walk into a gun shop and walk out with a rifle assuming I have the money to pay for it then and there.

You can't do that, not even at most gun shows these days. 99.9% of all firearm transactions in the US work like this:

0. Choose gun at gun store, or buy firearm online that can only be delivered to your local firearms dealer, usually at a gun store.
0a. What, did you think you can just buy a gun online and get it delivered? lol.
1. Fill out form 4473 & show proper ID.
2. Have the licensed dealer fax it in/email it in to the state.
2a. If it's a pistol, enjoy waiting for the feds to clear you as well.
3. Twiddle your thumbs and wait while big brother makes sure you're a responsible citizen. Usually takes anywhere from 20 minutes to three-four hours. Depends on how complex your case is, and how much processing is going on through the background check system at the time, and how slammed they are.
3a. If you answered anything wrong knowingly on the form, congratulations on your federal crime. Prepare your anus. Reminder - possession of a medical MJ card - even if legal in your state - is not legal from the fed's point of view. MJ cards auto-magically make you a prohibited possessor. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.
3b. Pray nobody with your name has committed any wrongdoing recently, because shit WILL get flagged, and then it's at least a three day turnaround - if you're lucky.
4. When the call comes back (yes, the background check people will call the dealer you're buying the gun from), and verbally confirm the case number, your name, and sometimes your social, you will then sign off on the transfer paperwork and receive gun.
5. Walk out.
6. The paperwork you filled out does not get put into a trashcan. The dealer places it into their permanent file.
7. The dealer will also make a record in his bound book of the serial number of the gun you bought, the case file of the background check, and your name.
8. The dealer can be audited at any time by the ATF.
8A. By any time, I do mean, any time, if the agency are feeling like being dickish that day.
9. The record is never expunged.
10. When dealer eventually gets bored, retires, or otherwise decides that his kids college tuition has been paid off, or he's tired of dealing with federal audits every few years, they will pack up their paperwork and send it off directly to the ATF.

Before anybody starts screaming about gun show loopholes - there is no loophole. You may go to a gun show - and there might happen to be somebody there in a private capacity selling a firearm. In which case, hand over cash, receive gun. However, there aren't that many of those people there because dealers making "off the book sales" will get fucked in the ass by the ATF, and EVERYBODY who is setting up a booth to flog guns is a dealer. Once in a blue moon you'll find some redneck selling grandpappy's bolt action from the war at the show, and you'll chat him up, and if he thinks you're a trustworthy person, he might decide to sell you the gun. Usually he won't, because a) the dealer will give him a better price b) you ain't his pappy c) people selling guns tend to be paranoid motherfuckers. This is exceedingly rare, and most gun shows will force ALL transactions to go through a dealer intermediary these days, which means return to step 0 above and do the dance, little butterfly.
 
I'm not disputing any of what you guys are saying, but you keep bringing up handguns and I specifically said rifles.

And unless what I want isn't in stock, the actual process is: drive over, point to the one I want, hold it and cycle it a few times, fill out the forms, pay the money, and I'm out with my new toy. That's how it's always been when I buy a rifle.

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Before anybody starts screaming about gun show loopholes - there is no loophole. You may go to a gun show - and there might happen to be somebody there in a private capacity selling a firearm. In which case, hand over cash, receive gun. However, there aren't that many of those people there because dealers making "off the book sales" will get fucked in the ass by the ATF, and EVERYBODY who is setting up a booth to flog guns is a dealer. Once in a blue moon you'll find some redneck selling grandpappy's bolt action from the war at the show, and you'll chat him up, and if he thinks you're a trustworthy person, he might decide to sell you the gun. Usually he won't, because a) the dealer will give him a better price b) you ain't his pappy c) people selling guns tend to be paranoid motherfuckers. This is exceedingly rare, and most gun shows will force ALL transactions to go through a dealer intermediary these days, which means return to step 0 above and do the dance, little butterfly.

Pretty much. I find more often private person-to-person sales are things you arrange by word of mouth and friend-of-a-friend arrangements, these days. Guns change ownership all the time off the books, don't doubt that for a moment, but gun shows? Not so much, at least not the big, reputable ones. More often it's things like...

  • Shooting the shit at the range or gun store, someone mentions a gun they either want or no longer want, someone else chimes up that they can be the other half of that transaction.
  • Gun swaps between friends and acquaintances on hunting trips. Might be money change hands, might be direct swaps
  • Guns used as under-the-table, nontaxable payment for services rendered. A buddy just picked up a practically-new 9mm automatic in exchange for a discount installing a fence, for example.
  • "Finders". A lot of people know a guy, or know a guy who knows a guy, or know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy, etc, who is a "finder". Maybe it's a redneck thing, maybe in big cities it's different. Finders are... Kind of grey market, though. Good when you're looking for a cheap gun of a very general description, generally. "Yeah, my neighbor has had prowlers lately, can you scare up a little .380 or something for under a hundred bucks?" I don't know exactly what the supply chain on these guys is like, generally they swear up and down the guns are clean, but I've been told as a rule it's probably best you never look into the provenance of what you get too deeply.
 
Not to push the Gun Autism even further, but on the topic of private sales, which are less regulated, people will still go through the dealer process as a middleman to ensure that they will not be held liable if the recipient of their private sale happens to commit a felony with a gun registered in the seller’s name. It is a really bad idea to privately sell to someone you don’t know at all.
 
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