Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[I'm Mrs. Mustachios!]

A star trek ship built as a warship was indeed a good idea. One of the reasons DS9 was a good show.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Kinda funny, TLJ is being heralded as this amazing movie thanks to its supposed "themes", but when you look at it, the OT has a much tighter system of interconnected themes with a lot of depth. Meanwhile, TLJ has the "the heroes don't win, so the heroes don't win" theme. Amazing. Great.

All this talk over the past few pages has highlighted that. The OT as a statement against the Vietnam War, all that stuff.
The ST has nothing to offer aside from maybe a few very shallow aspects of identity politics.

I agree, the movie didn't need Khan. They could've wrote this movie in a way that it would start a war between the Federation and the Klingon Empire and we could've seen the actual war in the third movie.

Nah, from a narrative view, it was necessary to make him Khan, see ................. ....... ........... ...... ........ ............ ............. .........memberberries................................ ............................. ....... ............. ............. ............. ... ............ .... . .......................... . ........... ........ ............ nothing else lol.......... ..

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

Having Kylo as pathetic isn't a bad idea, but the movies did need villains we could respect alongside him so we could fear for the lives of our heroes.

Kylo and Snoke besides being poor ripoffs off Vader and the emperor were overall poor villains with Snoke even dying like an amateur in the second movie, not even surviving enough for a trilogy.

What "SHOULD" have been the heart of Kylo's story was two things.

#1) What Destroyed Han and Leia's marriage
and
#2) Why Luke didn't open a factory producing a new Jedi Order/failed at doing that

He is the angry, hurt, and twisted product of the failure of the heroic achievement of the last generation....but then a Round Head got in the way

I agree, the movie didn't need Khan. They could've wrote this movie in a way that it would start a war between the Federation and the Klingon Empire and we could've seen the actual war in the third movie.

#1 What was the point of Khan and the Augments?

They represented a formal and fundemental conflict with the Ideology of Star Fleet. No Humanism just superiority=advancement. It was showing a alternative path humanity avoid on its trek to the stars.

#2 So what could JJ have done with it?

Well the first Star Trek of the JJ era had some 9-11 and GWOT themes in it. So Khan should represent that primal, human, and biological drive to be SAFE and be a foil to Kirk who wants to stand for something DEEPER and TRUER about humanity

 

[Dom Cruise]

All this talk over the past few pages has highlighted that. The OT as a statement against the Vietnam War, all that stuff.

Slightly off topic but sometimes I wonder how radically different the world would be if the Vietnam War had never happened, if it informed even Star Wars of all things.

It's kind of a chilling thought, would America be the Utopian society people envisioned in the mid-20th century had that war not ruined our confidence in ourselves?

The lesson is, you cannot underestimate the impact choices can have on humanity, choose wisely.

 

[Puddleduck]

wtf is memberberries ?

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

wtf is memberberries ?

It's a joke from South Park about berries that just prattle on and on about " 'member AT-ATs?" and stuff like that. Instead of creating something new, they just go on and on about stuff from the past.
Similar to Mike Stoklasa's "REMEMBER STAR WARS?!".

 

[Stoneheart]

A star trek ship built as a warship was indeed a good idea. One of the reasons DS9 was a good show.

We arent supposed to talk about the Star trek show without white males in the main cast.
STD invented diversity, read your script.

wtf is memberberries ?

South park joke.


I think the worst part of the Trailer was the mass of star destroyer. It just looked so lame compared with similar scenes from other scifi franchises.
The Andromeda slipstreaming into a massive fleet look alot cooler and dont get me started on DS9 scenes or Battlestar scenes.

finding a massiv amount of enemy capital ships is not new.

and to quote a friend from a famouse battle: "whats going on guys, why are there 100 Titans in syste ohhh fuck."

 

[Adamska]

Star Trek: Into Darkness was so fucking bad, easily one of the worst movies I saw in the theater in this decade, arguably even ever, because I can't think of another big Hollywood blockbuster I've seen with a story as nonsensical as it, I mean it was literally nonsensical.

I thought JJ had at one time potential to be a good director, but I should have known after Into Darkness the sequel trilogy would be shit.

I used to give him the benefit of the doubt since it seems like all of his sequels were done by morons; he can set something up, but it seems like no one can really get his shit to land. But then I realized the bastard actually did follow through once; It was when he bootlegged Wrath of Khan but way worse. So I've seen him follow through; and it sucked.

That and the fact that he gropes after the toy rights and sticks his own men into teams to manage the IPs he fucked up and left for (all of whom suck at their jobs) makes me hate him now.

I find with most of these movies it's more the writing than the directing that's the problem.

JarJar worked with and intentionally picked his shitty script writers. Kurtzman and Orsi are long-time work buddies that he has used for years (since Mission Impossible 3), and the former is technically a part of his company under his own gay little company (Secret Hideout).

So no, JarJar Abrams is doubly to blame for Into Darkness. He intentionally picked his shit writers, directed that turd, and then (at least I think so) threw his writers to the wolves to rationalize why he made a pile of shit given how rarely people acknowledge that he directed Into Darkness.

The idea of one of these Star Trek ships built specifically as a warship was actually one of the few things I liked about the movie, it was a cool idea, would have made for a good foil.

But it was buried in a sea of nonsensical story telling, not to mention the movie did NOT need to be a semi-remake of Wrath of Khan.

See, the idea of an Admiral false flagging a new Klingon War and that ship being designed on purpose for war (hilarious given that even normal exploration vessels match warlike race cruisers at minimum) was neat. The film kind of had me when that was the plot.

Then JarJar wanted to redo Khan because he's an uncreative hack who refuses responsibilities for his failures to write.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Goddang the emperor doesn't fuck around. He knows he can charge them up the ass.

Given Palps is all but confirmed to get his shit push in one way or another, Charging 35 million is the least Ian McDiarmid can do for being Ram Ranched on screen.

 

[verissimus]

I seriously hope that this movie flops so that JJ will finally be deservedly vilified like Michael Bay was or even Joel Schumacher for Batman & Robin (and not for Falling Down). That goes for pretty much all the actors in the franchise too except those who weren't in the previous movies. Screw the rest.

 

[XYZpdq]

The idea of one of these Star Trek ships built specifically as a warship was actually one of the few things I liked about the movie, it was a cool idea, would have made for a good foil.

But it was buried in a sea of nonsensical story telling, not to mention the movie did NOT need to be a semi-remake of Wrath of Khan.

I wanted Garth of Izar instead of Khan. At least Into Derpness meant a theatrical showing of Khan near me so that was pretty dank

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

I'm not a fan of Ahtsoka because it basically means Shaak-Ti doesn't exist

 

[Adamska]

Given Palps is all but confirmed to get his shit push in one way or another, Charging 35 million is the least Ian McDiarmid can do for being Ram Ranched on screen.

Honestly I don't blame Ian for taking 35 million for at best like a week of shooting (and it only being a week because they're STILL reshooting).

I will blame the movie though because he's going to be basically Cameron Mitchell, IE sitting in that chair and being in the movie for like 2-5 minutes and then given bigger billing than he really deserves to fail to get oldfags into the seats.

I wanted Garth of Izar instead of Khan. At least Into Derpness meant a theatrical showing of Khan near me so that was pretty dank

That would've been great. Hell, since it's an alternate timeline have it so that his insanity from his accident at Antos IV was more understated and this is his plot to effectively make himself an Emperor using a Klingon war.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

You directed Star Trek: Into Darkness JarJar, thus proving you can't close for shit. I can't see you finish a fucking wedding film, let alone your own shitty fanfic trilogy that ain't canon.

Star Trek: Into Darkness was so fucking bad, easily one of the worst movies I saw in the theater in this decade, arguably even ever, because I can't think of another big Hollywood blockbuster I've seen with a story as nonsensical as it, I mean it was literally nonsensical.

I thought JJ had at one time potential to be a good director, but I should have known after Into Darkness the sequel trilogy would be shit.

JJ's work on Star Trek: Into Darkness was ridiculous too.

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CG company: "So you want the bad guy to have a ship?"
JJ: "A big ship."
CG company: "The Enterprise is already quite big, sir. Also a ship that huge only for 20 people that's weird"
JJ: "BIGGER and black. Completely black, because the ship was build for secret ops"
CG company: "T-that's not how it works. It's going to be hard to see it in every sho-"
JJ: "BIGGER and BLACK"

But the move was a critical and commercial success. That's gotta mean something.

 

[Jewthulhu]

But the move was a critical and commercial success. That's gotta mean something.

It means people will go see anything that's tied to a big IP.

 

[Puddleduck]

(and it only being a week because they're STILL reshooting).

Surely not?

 

[deeman]

Destroy Star Wars all you want, Amerifags, just let Robotech RIP. Pls.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Slightly off topic but sometimes I wonder how radically different the world would be if the Vietnam War had never happened, if it informed even Star Wars of all things.

It's kind of a chilling thought, would America be the Utopian society people envisioned in the mid-20th century had that war not ruined our confidence in ourselves?

No. The reason that the Vietnam War played out the way it did is because the press had essentially become the 5th column in America; if not Vietnam, they would have found something else to rip the country apart from within with- it's not like they weren't spoiled for choice in the 60s and 70s.

As far as Ian MacDairmid goes, it probably won't even be January before "Rise of Skywalker, but just Palpatine" crops up on YouTube, and frankly, that's the cut of this movie I want to see.

E: Forgot which Ian plays Palps. Derp.

 

[Notgoodwithusernames]

I seriously hope that this movie flops so that JJ will finally be deservedly vilified like Michael Bay was or even Joel Schumacher for Batman & Robin (and not for Falling Down). That goes for pretty much all the actors in the franchise too except those who weren't in the previous movies. Screw the rest.

Wait Joel Schumacher directed Falling Down? That Falling Down?

 

[verissimus]

Wait Joel Schumacher directed Falling Down? That Falling Down?

Yup. Same movie and same guy.