US Cloudflare: "Terminating Service for 8Chan"


Terminating Service for 8Chan

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August 05, 2019 1:44AM


The mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio are horrific tragedies. In the case of the El Paso shooting, the suspected terrorist gunman appears to have been inspired by the forum website known as 8chan. Based on evidence we've seen, it appears that he posted a screed to the site immediately before beginning his terrifying attack on the El Paso Walmart killing 20 people.

Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident. Nearly the same thing happened on 8chan before the terror attack in Christchurch, New Zealand. The El Paso shooter specifically referenced the Christchurch incident and appears to have been inspired by the largely unmoderated discussions on 8chan which glorified the previous massacre. In a separate tragedy, the suspected killer in the Poway, California synagogue shooting also posted a hate-filled “open letter” on 8chan. 8chan has repeatedly proven itself to be a cesspool of hate.

8chan is among the more than 19 million Internet properties that use Cloudflare's service. We just sent notice that we are terminating 8chan as a customer effective at midnight tonight Pacific Time. The rationale is simple: they have proven themselves to be lawless and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths. Even if 8chan may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit.

We do not take this decision lightly. Cloudflare is a network provider. In pursuit of our goal of helping build a better internet, we’ve considered it important to provide our security services broadly to make sure as many users as possible are secure, and thereby making cyberattacks less attractive — regardless of the content of those websites. Many of our customers run platforms of their own on top of our network. If our policies are more conservative than theirs it effectively undercuts their ability to run their services and set their own policies. We reluctantly tolerate content that we find reprehensible, but we draw the line at platforms that have demonstrated they directly inspire tragic events and are lawless by design. 8chan has crossed that line. It will therefore no longer be allowed to use our services.

What Will Happen Next

Unfortunately, we have seen this situation before and so we have a good sense of what will play out. Almost exactly two years ago we made the determination to kick another disgusting site off Cloudflare's network: the Daily Stormer. That caused a brief interruption in the site's operations but they quickly came back online using a Cloudflare competitor. That competitor at the time promoted as a feature the fact that they didn't respond to legal process. Today, the Daily Stormer is still available and still disgusting. They have bragged that they have more readers than ever. They are no longer Cloudflare's problem, but they remain the Internet's problem.

I have little doubt we'll see the same happen with 8chan. While removing 8chan from our network takes heat off of us, it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online. It does nothing to address why mass shootings occur. It does nothing to address why portions of the population feel so disenchanted they turn to hate. In taking this action we've solved our own problem, but we haven't solved the Internet's.

In the two years since the Daily Stormer what we have done to try and solve the Internet’s deeper problem is engage with law enforcement and civil society organizations to try and find solutions. Among other things, that resulted in us cooperating around monitoring potential hate sites on our network and notifying law enforcement when there was content that contained an indication of potential violence. We will continue to work within the legal process to share information when we can to hopefully prevent horrific acts of violence. We believe this is our responsibility and, given Cloudflare's scale and reach, we are hopeful we will continue to make progress toward solving the deeper problem.

Rule of Law

We continue to feel incredibly uncomfortable about playing the role of content arbiter and do not plan to exercise it often. Some have wrongly speculated this is due to some conception of the United States' First Amendment. That is incorrect. First, we are a private company and not bound by the First Amendment. Second, the vast majority of our customers, and more than 50% of our revenue, comes from outside the United States where the First Amendment and similarly libertarian freedom of speech protections do not apply. The only relevance of the First Amendment in this case and others is that it allows us to choose who we do and do not do business with; it does not obligate us to do business with everyone.

Instead our concern has centered around another much more universal idea: the Rule of Law. The Rule of Law requires policies be transparent and consistent. While it has been articulated as a framework for how governments ensure their legitimacy, we have used it as a touchstone when we think about our own policies.

We have been successful because we have a very effective technological solution that provides security, performance, and reliability in an affordable and easy-to-use way. As a result of that, a huge portion of the Internet now sits behind our network. 10% of the top million, 17% of the top 100,000, and 19% of the top 10,000 Internet properties use us today. 10% of the Fortune 1,000 are paying Cloudflare customers.

Cloudflare is not a government. While we've been successful as a company, that does not give us the political legitimacy to make determinations on what content is good and bad. Nor should it. Questions around content are real societal issues that need politically legitimate solutions. We will continue to engage with lawmakers around the world as they set the boundaries of what is acceptable in their countries through due process of law. And we will comply with those boundaries when and where they are set.

Europe, for example, has taken a lead in this area. As we've seen governments there attempt to address hate and terror content online, there is recognition that different obligations should be placed on companies that organize and promote content — like Facebook and YouTube — rather than those that are mere conduits for that content. Conduits, like Cloudflare, are not visible to users and therefore cannot be transparent and consistent about their policies.
The unresolved question is how should the law deal with platforms that ignore or actively thwart the Rule of Law? That's closer to the situation we have seen with the Daily Stormer and 8chan. They are lawless platforms. In cases like these, where platforms have been designed to be lawless and unmoderated, and where the platforms have demonstrated their ability to cause real harm, the law may need additional remedies. We and other technology companies need to work with policy makers in order to help them understand the problem and define these remedies. And, in some cases, it may mean moving enforcement mechanisms further down the technical stack.

Our Obligation

Cloudflare's mission is to help build a better Internet. At some level firing 8chan as a customer is easy. They are uniquely lawless and that lawlessness has contributed to multiple horrific tragedies. Enough is enough.

What's hard is defining the policy that we can enforce transparently and consistently going forward. We, and other technology companies like us that enable the great parts of the Internet, have an obligation to help propose solutions to deal with the parts we're not proud of. That's our obligation and we're committed to it.

Unfortunately the action we take today won’t fix hate online. It will almost certainly not even remove 8chan from the Internet. But it is the right thing to do. Hate online is a real issue. Here are some organizations that have active work to help address it:
Our whole Cloudflare team’s thoughts are with the families grieving in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio this evening.
 
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Quite a day right guys? In case any of you are still keeping score...

ChadWheels: 5
Jimbo: 0

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Today we got two nullroutes. One, and the most important, from Russia, and then as Ron retreated into Alibaba to regroup (again), they blackholed him within hours. Delicious. To be honest I was really surprised that selectel in Russia caved so easily. I was already really curious what mental gymnastics would be unleashed by Qstars to curry favour for such a knob move. Anyways, tango down. Also to all those saying Ron is playing 4D chess here with some SuprSecret reverse proxy or other obfuscation magic...My God guys you really do sound a lot like these Qtards, and I know most of you are much smarter than that. Just accept this: Ron is incompetent. If you've been paying attention its been proven many many times now. Remember, Nick Lim is the guy he's pinning his hopes on: http://archive.is/wAzAw

Also since some of you seem to think you've taken down my own blockchain based sandbox https://blockchan.ca, I decided to put it back online with one small caveat. No more toggling off 'Moderated Mode' in my live instance. You can of course download the client and do as you wish however. Get it here: https://github.com/milezzz/blockchan

Some asshole also put another instance online the other day at http://itsniggernotnig.ga - at least a few of these exist. See how decentralization works?

Also meme edit of the Jimbo interview you guys mentioned...Reddit loved it =]

 
WEW
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Quite a day right guys? In case any of you are still keeping score...

ChadWheels: 5
Jimbo: 0

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Today we got two nullroutes. One, and the most important, from Russia, and then as Ron retreated into Alibaba to regroup (again), they blackholed him within hours. Delicious. To be honest I was really surprised that selectel in Russia caved so easily. I was already really curious what mental gymnastics would be unleashed by Qstars to curry favour for such a knob move. Anyways, tango down. Also to all those saying Ron is playing 4D chess here with some SuprSecret reverse proxy or other obfuscation magic...My God guys you really do sound a lot like these Qtards, and I know most of you are much smarter than that. Just accept this: Ron is incompetent. If you've been paying attention its been proven many many times now. Remember, Nick Lim is the guy he's pinning his hopes on: http://archive.li/wAzAw

Also since some of you seem to think you've taken down my own blockchain based sandbox https://blockchan.ca, I decided to put it back online with one small caveat. No more toggling off 'Moderated Mode' in my live instance. You can of course download the client and do as you wish however. Get it here: https://github.com/milezzz/blockchan

Some asshole also put another instance online the other day at http://itsniggernotnig.ga - at least a few of these exist. See how decentralization works?

Also meme edit of the Jimbo interview you guys mentioned...Reddit loved it =]

>http://itsniggernotnig.ga
This site will definitely get removed within a month unless the dude registers a new name.
>Anyways, tango down. Also to all those saying Ron is playing 4D chess here with some SuprSecret reverse proxy or other obfuscation magic
No one stated that the guy has anyhthing super secret reverse proxy, cripple cocksucker.
 
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WEW
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Quite a day right guys? In case any of you are still keeping score...

ChadWheels: 5
Jimbo: 0

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Today we got two nullroutes. One, and the most important, from Russia, and then as Ron retreated into Alibaba to regroup (again), they blackholed him within hours. Delicious. To be honest I was really surprised that selectel in Russia caved so easily. I was already really curious what mental gymnastics would be unleashed by Qstars to curry favour for such a knob move. Anyways, tango down. Also to all those saying Ron is playing 4D chess here with some SuprSecret reverse proxy or other obfuscation magic...My God guys you really do sound a lot like these Qtards, and I know most of you are much smarter than that. Just accept this: Ron is incompetent. If you've been paying attention its been proven many many times now. Remember, Nick Lim is the guy he's pinning his hopes on: http://archive.li/wAzAw

Also since some of you seem to think you've taken down my own blockchain based sandbox https://blockchan.ca, I decided to put it back online with one small caveat. No more toggling off 'Moderated Mode' in my live instance. You can of course download the client and do as you wish however. Get it here: https://github.com/milezzz/blockchan

Some asshole also put another instance online the other day at http://itsniggernotnig.ga - at least a few of these exist. See how decentralization works?

Also meme edit of the Jimbo interview you guys mentioned...Reddit loved it =]

Your avatar is the pictorial equivalent of a pre-adolescent selecting the username 'Zerocool'.
 
Also since some of you seem to think you've taken down my own blockchain based sandbox https://blockchan.ca, I decided to put it back online with one small caveat.

No one thought that because you said
I took my instance offline just now to troll you guys and prove a point.

which came after it was pointed out your hosting child porn.
So your site is back with the CP but with a frontend that defaults to hide it.
Again, you sure showed us brainlet's who's boss. :story:
 
Also meme edit of the Jimbo interview you guys mentioned...Reddit loved it =]


Aww, they sure did, buddy!
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You've been busy over on Reddit, huh?
(https://archive.li/HJYPD)

Jesting aside @L33TGUY I did want to be nice, so I checked out your meme video. A lot of it is you scrolling through the 8chan Christchurch thread and literally highlighting various hot takes, e.g.
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So I have a question. Are those takes part of the reason you're going after 8chan so hard? And if so, do you feel the same about the similar hot takes that were going around on 4chan during the shooting?
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And what about those lovable scamps over on Kiwi Farms?
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Aww, they sure did, buddy!
(https://archive.li/yl1Jo)

You've been busy over on Reddit, huh?
(https://archive.li/HJYPD)

Jesting aside @L33TGUY I did want to be nice, so I checked out your meme video. A lot of it is you scrolling through the 8chan Christchurch thread and literally highlighting various hot takes, e.g.
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So I have a question. Are those takes part of the reason you're going after 8chan so hard? And if so, do you feel the same about the similar hot takes that were going around on 4chan during the shooting?
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And what about those lovable scamps over on Kiwi Farms?
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Imagine white knighting Hotwheels on Reddit out of all places where no one even asked you to. God that is pathetic.
Are you shure you have a wife and a kid @L33TGUY
If you do spend time with your kids and wife instead of playing Internet vigilante on the internet sucking cripple cock 24/7 thinking you owned the Nazis and are defeating the bad guys, it won't get you anywhere, it's a waste of time, and it won't impact your life for the better.
Seeing some grown man act like this is sorta upsetting to me. I hope I don't end up like you.
>Early adopter • Disruptor • MTGOX survivor • Entrepreneur • Dad ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ
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I'll admit, I feel kinda sorry for Hotwheels. The guy's gone absolutely mad with guilt and is way past his breaking point.

I thought he was sincerely just trying to get the media off his back like he was saying, but he's admitted too many times that, yes, this is about spite and vengeance. He says it's because of Nazi shooters then later admits he doesn't think the white nationalists will be back now that they've migrated to Telegram groups. Says it's about the Q cult (which he helped falsify info for what with that 3-d printed Q).

He is really enjoying the attention right now, but it could backfire. Claiming Mark Mann is connected to the Halle shooting and all his (archived) tweets about writing DDoS scripts just looks kind of bad. He keeps changing his story. A couple months ago was complaining about constantly being contacted by media but in the last several weeks he gleefully describes being taken out to lunch by New York Times and fed information by Filipino writers for WaPo. Point is, there's plenty of evidence I've run into over the past couple months that Hotwheels likely was always just saying whatever would keep him in the spotlight.

This fits though. Remember after the Al Jazeera doc he admitted he played into stuff being faked to make it more dramatic? Same kind of thing Vice writers have been accused of in fact. He knows some of the things he is claiming are completely untrue but doesn't care. In between that and shilling for China he's killed his reputation. Not that he cares. Most folks with brittle bone don't live much past 35 or so and being inactive/overweight puts more strain on organs and skeletal system so I doubt he'll be one of the few that makes it past 40.

I honestly think most of this shit he's on to now is all about his desire for attention and the haze of oxycontin. It's not been thought through at all. Leetguy and Fred can gloat all they want but I get the feeling even if they succeed in taking Jim and 8chan/8kun down this will not end well for them.

another weird tangent, anyone else notice Fred has apparently banded up with some furries, changed his avatar to a racoon, joined a furry online group that includes one of his whiteknights who has some pro-pedo rants on HW's twitterline. Wild world we're living in.
 
Aww, they sure did, buddy!
(https://archive.li/yl1Jo)

You've been busy over on Reddit, huh?
(https://archive.li/HJYPD)

Jesting aside @L33TGUY I did want to be nice, so I checked out your meme video. A lot of it is you scrolling through the 8chan Christchurch thread and literally highlighting various hot takes, e.g.
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So I have a question. Are those takes part of the reason you're going after 8chan so hard? And if so, do you feel the same about the similar hot takes that were going around on 4chan during the shooting?
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And what about those lovable scamps over on Kiwi Farms?
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WoW even reddit thinks he is stupid.

And yea I was one of the first 200 posts in the Shooters thread on 8chan and I saw it linked here on kiwifarms before I even went there to shit post.
This argument Flat goblin has been spewing about how nowhere else talks about shootings and nowhere else has had a sperg post before doing it has fell through so now he is left to arguing with 50 year old Qboomers to try prove his point that Qboomers are dumb.
 
Aww, they sure did, buddy!
(https://archive.li/yl1Jo)

You've been busy over on Reddit, huh?
(https://archive.li/HJYPD)

Jesting aside @L33TGUY I did want to be nice, so I checked out your meme video. A lot of it is you scrolling through the 8chan Christchurch thread and literally highlighting various hot takes, e.g.
View attachment 987429
View attachment 987430

So I have a question. Are those takes part of the reason you're going after 8chan so hard? And if so, do you feel the same about the similar hot takes that were going around on 4chan during the shooting?
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And what about those lovable scamps over on Kiwi Farms?
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>By hosting a video of 50 people being slaughtered by a lunatic with a crowd cheering for "high scores", you've taken a very serious stand, not for free speech, but for just being an insensitive asshole. What about the families of those people who came across this "news" ? Just more collateral damage for muh free speech?
First of it was live-streamed on Facebook, secondly it was hosted on multiple platforms including 4chan and Kiwifarms.
Null hosted the Christchurch shooting @L33TGUY, does that mean he is an ass-hole, why are you going after 8chan but not these platforms?
Do you know how hypocritical this sounds, if Kiwifarms was in the same position as 8chan and Fredrick was calling to shut it down you would try your hardest to shut it down as well.
 
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