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What province are you in? How heavily armed are police/military units, are there tanks in your area, quarantine, etc? Details.

As far as I know, the units ain't too armed. They didn't mention seeing tanks yet, and the police/military aren't extremely armed. I don't know much details about the police/military yet but I'll ask them.

I'm in Ontario myself, haven't been to China for years. As far as I know, in China, if you were to leave or enter the neighborhoods, you have to have a good reason to leave and return. They want to make sure that you don't bring the virus into the neighborhoods.

Wutan has a population of 11 million, and compared to the amount of people infected, it's still a small number. (Not saying the number won't get big). As far as I know, the virus isn't extremely common in the Wutan region, but there's still a risk of being infected. The infection really does hurt the vibe of Chinese-new year, but as far as I know, the outbreak doesn't prevent us from celebrating Chinese new years inside our house.
 
Sadly, the GOP would lose a lot of voters.

A lot of old people would die and a lot of old people do vote republican. But I am also assuming that more urban people will die as opposed to rural people (I could be wrong in that assumption) and since urban people tend to vote democrat more, it might all even out in the end.
 
So if this is a naturally occurring virus why won't China share their research and such into it with any foreign scientists? At this stage in any other outbreak we'd have international communication by scientists working on this across the world, yet in this instance China refuses to engage. Why? If they're not hiding something then why?



a top U.S. health official criticized Chinese authorities for not inviting U.S. and other international investigative agencies to join them in researching the new virus. While China has been more transparent than it was during the 2003 SARS outbreak, U.S. officials are still getting their information through press briefings rather than from direct transfer of scientific data
 
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A bit off topic, but imagine all the movies that are going to bomb super hard financially due to all China's theaters being closed

It shouldn't hurt the movie industry too much. January/Feburary are generally dead zones for most movies outside Academy Award bait.

If this was happening during the summer months, I could actually see some executives jumping from windows. Especially some Disney people as It has been long rumored they have been using China to cook their books.
 
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So if this is a naturally occurring virus why won't China share their research and such into it with any foreign scientists? At this stage in any other outbreak we'd have international communication by scientists working on this across the world, yet in this instance China refuses to engage. Why? If they're not hiding something then why?



a top U.S. health official criticized Chinese authorities for not inviting U.S. and other international investigative agencies to join them in researching the new virus. While China has been more transparent than it was during the 2003 SARS outbreak, U.S. officials are still getting their information through press briefings rather than from direct transfer of scientific data
Your own source does say "China has been more transparent than it was during the 2003 SARS ", using your own logic wouldn't this mean that 2019-nCoV has a greater chance of being naturally occurring and China having less to hide than with SARS?

China wants to save face: they want to control the information spread and not look weak to their citizens, or the rest of the world. Letting foreign help in may be seen as the party admitting they cannot solve the issue themselves, they certainly wont let their citizens get that sort of fuel for any fire. Foreign help comes with those foreigners reporting back whatever dumb or immoral shit the Chinese government is doing now, or decides to do in the future. As long as it's just leaks from Chinese citizens the party can just deny or stonewall.
 
Your own source does say "China has been more transparent than it was during the 2003 SARS ", using your own logic wouldn't this mean that 2019-nCoV has a greater chance of being naturally occurring and China having less to hide than with SARS?

China wants to save face: they want to control the information spread and not look weak to their citizens, or the rest of the world. Letting foreign help in may be seen as the party admitting they cannot solve the issue themselves, they certainly wont let their citizens get that sort of fuel for any fire. Foreign help comes with those foreigners reporting back whatever dumb or immoral shit the Chinese government is doing now, or decides to do in the future. As long as it's just leaks from Chinese citizens the party can just deny or stonewall.
A fair viewpoint. I was genuinely asking.
 
Here's a translation of the ingredients featured in this weird bottle I've posted earlier.
@afternoon_tea Here ya go.
Moomins ftw!

Top text says TCM doctor's scamming is faster than the spread of the virus itself.
Drink this thing 1-2 times a day, 20ml a time.
Targeted at healthy individuals, can prevent the virus.
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黃芪: Astragalus propinquus

太子參: Pseudostellaria heterophylla

白朮 Atractylodes macrocephala

柴胡: Bupleuri Radix

藿香: Agastache rugosa

防風: Saposhnikovia divaricata

紫菀: Aster tataricus

麥冬: Ophiopogon japonicus

金銀花: Lonicera japonica

板藍根: (roots of) Isatis tinctoria

黃芩: Scutellaria baicalensis

甘草: Glycyrrhiza uralensis

Look at this browser spellcheck. I can't read most of these weird herbs unless I actually try.
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Oh yeah, I recognize a lot of these, they're common ingredients you see in cold remedies. One time I had a cold and I tried a congee with astragalus (this is a really common "jack of all trades" ingredient you find in a lot of formulas, but especially with stuff like colds. I think it tastes pretty good), scutelleria
Here's a translation of the ingredients featured in this weird bottle I've posted earlier.
@afternoon_tea Here ya go.
Moomins ftw!

Top text says TCM doctor's scamming is faster than the spread of the virus itself.
Drink this thing 1-2 times a day, 20ml a time.
Targeted at healthy individuals, can prevent the virus.
View attachment 1119349

黃芪: Astragalus propinquus

太子參: Pseudostellaria heterophylla

白朮 Atractylodes macrocephala

柴胡: Bupleuri Radix

藿香: Agastache rugosa

防風: Saposhnikovia divaricata

紫菀: Aster tataricus

麥冬: Ophiopogon japonicus

金銀花: Lonicera japonica

板藍根: (roots of) Isatis tinctoria

黃芩: Scutellaria baicalensis

甘草: Glycyrrhiza uralensis

Look at this browser spellcheck. I can't read most of these weird herbs unless I actually try.
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Thanks! A lot of these are common things you find in cold remedy formulas, especially astragalus (I used to make congee with this and it tastes pretty good), pseudostellaria is supposed to be lung health boosting and Scutellaria baicalensis(Chinese skullcap) is supposed to be an antiviral.

I also recognize Chinese licorice (Glycyrrhiza uralensis). No idea what it's supposed to do for health, but it tastes good in tea.

Japanese honeysuckle (Lonicera japonica, this is the one that's invasive in the U.S. and what most Americans think of as honeysuckle even though it's not our native species)

Isatis tinctoria is an indigo producing plant, known as "woad" in the West. Not really sure what it's supposed to do against Corona-chan, but the dye is beautiful.

Bupleurum is usually in flu formulas, another supposed lung health herb. Might cause liver damage, which is ironic since it's in a few liver tonic formulas.

I am not familiar with any of the others.
 
Something that doesn't seem to register as an issue is the possible dual infection of the normal seasonal flu and Corona Chan.
Peak of flu season (at least in the US) is in February and Corona Chan seems to be visiting at the same time, and while it would suck to have both at the same time, what worries me is gene exchange and mutation possible in a few million walking incubators.
Don’t worry about that. Coronaviridae are positive sense RNA viruses and flu is negative sense. They can’t exchange material. A dual infection could happen and you’d be poorly because you had two infections, but I don’t think they can swap material.
 
Harvard University Professor and Two Chinese Nationals Charged in Three Separate China Related Cases
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ma/pr/...hinese-nationals-charged-three-separate-china (http://archive.vn/EVsfN)


BOSTON – The U.S. Attorney’s Office announced today that the Chair of Harvard University’s Chemistry and Chemical Biology Department and two Chinese nationals have been charged in connection with aiding the People’s Republic of China.

Dr. Charles Lieber, 60, Chair of the Department of Chemistry and Chemical Biology at Harvard University, was arrested this morning and charged by criminal complaint with one count of making a materially false, fictitious and fraudulent statement. Lieber will appear this afternoon before Magistrate Judge Marianne B. Bowler in federal court in Boston.

Yanqing Ye, 29, a Chinese national, was charged in an indictment today with one count each of visa fraud, making false statements, acting as an agent of a foreign government and conspiracy. Ye is currently in China.

Zaosong Zheng, 30, a Chinese national, was arrested on Dec. 10, 2019, at Boston’s Logan International Airport and charged by criminal complaint with attempting to smuggle 21 vials of biological research to China. On Jan. 21, 2020, Zheng was indicted on one count of smuggling goods from the United States and one count of making false, fictitious or fraudulent statements. He has been detained since Dec. 30, 2019.

Dr. Charles Lieber

According to court documents, since 2008, Dr. Lieber who has served as the Principal Investigator of the Lieber Research Group at Harvard University, which specialized in the area of nanoscience, has received more than $15,000,000 in grant funding from the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and Department of Defense (DOD). These grants require the disclosure of significant foreign financial conflicts of interest, including financial support from foreign governments or foreign entities. Unbeknownst to Harvard University, beginning in 2011, Lieber became a “Strategic Scientist” at Wuhan University of Technology (WUT) in China and was a contractual participant in China’s Thousand Talents Plan from in or about 2012 to 2017. China’s Thousand Talents Plan is one of the most prominent Chinese Talent recruitment plans that are designed to attract, recruit, and cultivate high-level scientific talent in furtherance of China’s scientific development, economic prosperity and national security. These talent programs seek to lure Chinese overseas talent and foreign experts to bring their knowledge and experience to China and reward individuals for stealing proprietary information. Under the terms of Lieber’s three-year Thousand Talents contract, WUT paid Lieber $50,000 USD per month, living expenses of up to 1,000,000 Chinese Yuan (approximately $158,000 USD at the time) and awarded him more than $1.5 million to establish a research lab at WUT. In return, Lieber was obligated to work for WUT “not less than nine months a year” by “declaring international cooperation projects, cultivating young teachers and Ph.D. students, organizing international conference, applying for patents and publishing articles in the name of” WUT.

The complaint alleges that in 2018 and 2019, Lieber lied about his involvement in the Thousand Talents Plan and affiliation with WUT. On or about, April 24, 2018, during an interview with investigators, Lieber stated that he was never asked to participate in the Thousand Talents Program, but he “wasn’t sure” how China categorized him. In November 2018, NIH inquired of Harvard whether Lieber had failed to disclose his then-suspected relationship with WUT and China’s Thousand Talents Plan. Lieber caused Harvard to falsely tell NIH that Lieber “had no formal association with WUT” after 2012, that “WUT continued to falsely exaggerate” his involvement with WUT in subsequent years, and that Lieber “is not and has never been a participant in” China’s Thousand Talents Plan.

Yanqing Ye

According to the indictment, Ye is a Lieutenant of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA), the armed forces of the People’s Republic of China and member of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). On her J-1 visa application, Ye falsely identified herself as a “student” and lied about her ongoing military service at the National University of Defense Technology (NUDT), a top military academy directed by the CCP. It is further alleged that while studying at Boston University’s (BU) Department of Physics, Chemistry and Biomedical Engineering from October 2017 to April 2019, Ye continued to work as a PLA Lieutenant completing numerous assignments from PLA officers such as conducting research, assessing U.S. military websites and sending U.S. documents and information to China.

According to court documents, on April 20, 2019, federal officers interviewed Ye at Boston’s Logan International Airport. During the interview, it is alleged that Ye falsely claimed that she had minimal contact with two NUDT professors who were high-ranking PLA officers. However, a search of Ye’s electronic devices demonstrated that at the direction of one NUDT professor, who was a PLA Colonel, Ye had accessed U.S. military websites, researched U.S. military projects and compiled information for the PLA on two U.S. scientists with expertise in robotics and computer science. Furthermore, a review of a WeChat conversation revealed that Ye and the other PLA official from NUDT were collaborating on a research paper about a risk assessment model designed to decipher data for military applications. During the interview, Ye admitted that she held the rank of Lieutenant in the PLA and admitted she was a member of the CCP.

Zaosong Zheng

In August 2018, Zheng entered the United States on a J-1 visa and conducted cancer-cell research at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston from Sept. 4, 2018, to Dec. 9, 2019. It is alleged that on Dec. 9, 2019, Zheng stole 21 vials of biological research and attempted to smuggle them out of the United States aboard a flight destined for China. Federal officers at Logan Airport discovered the vials hidden in a sock inside one of Zheng’s bags, and not properly packaged. It is alleged that initially, Zheng lied to officers about the contents of his luggage, but later admitted he had stolen the vials from a lab at Beth Israel. Zheng stated that he intended to bring the vials to China to use them to conduct research in his own laboratory and publish the results under his own name.

The charge of making false, fictitious and fraudulent statements provides for a sentence of up to five years in prison, three years of supervised release and a fine of $250,000. The charge of visa fraud provides for a sentence of up to 10years in prison, three years of supervised release and a fine of $250,000. The charge of acting as an agent of a foreign government provides for a sentence of up to 10 years in prison, three years of supervised release and a fine of $250,000. The charge of conspiracy provides for a sentence of up to five years in prison, three years of supervised release and a fine of $250,000. The charge of smuggling goods from the United States provides for a sentence of up to 10 years in prison, three years of supervised release and a fine of $250,000. Sentences are imposed by a federal district court judge based upon the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and other statutory factors.

United States Attorney Andrew E. Lelling; John C. Demers, Assistant Attorney General for National Security; Joseph R. Bonavolonta, Special Agent in Charge of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Boston Field Division; Michael Denning, Director of Field Operations, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, Boston Field Office; Leigh-Alistair Barzey, Special Agent in Charge of the Defense Criminal Investigative Service, Northeast Field Office; Philip Coyne, Special Agent in Charge of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Office of Inspector General; and William Higgins, Special Agent in Charge of the U.S. Department of Commerce, Office of Export Enforcement, Boston Field Office made the announcement today. Assistant U.S. Attorneys B. Stephanie Siegmann, Jason Casey and Benjamin Tolkoff of Lelling’s National Security Unit are prosecuting these cases with the assistance of Trial Attorneys William Mackie and Davie Aaron of the National Security Division’s Counterintelligence and Export Control Section.

These case are part of the Department of Justice’s China Initiative, which reflects the strategic priority of countering Chinese national security threats and reinforces the President’s overall national security strategy. In addition to identifying and prosecuting those engaged in trade secret theft, hacking and economic espionage, the initiative will increase efforts to protect our critical infrastructure against external threats including foreign direct investment, supply chain threats and the foreign agents seeking to influence the American public and policymakers without proper registration.

The details contained in the charging documents are allegations. The defendants are presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.

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