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If anyone wants to read more about the 1918 influenza in America, https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/journal-plague-year-180965222/ this is an interesting read. I just happen to be somewhat of a student of this particular pandemic because my Grandfather was an young volunteer at ground zero, Camp Funston, Kansas, when this plague reared it's head. It is thought that the U.S. was actually the original source of this world-wide plague,

The history of how this flu became worse the second time around, after mutation, and also how the U.S. Gov't reacted when it became clear that they had a pandemic on their hands is fascinating. Like China is doing now, the U.S. did its utmost to downplay and massage the news. I can only hope that Corona-chan is not a repeat of the 1918 pandemic.

(Grandpa survived though never forgot the horrors of that Camp, and he went on to become a favored driver for General Pershing. He was one of a few who knew how to work on the new-fangled horseless carriages, so he spent the wartime in motorpool.)
Imagine a world with no antibiotics, antivirals or modern antifungals, no tv (let alone internet, people shared telephone lines if they could afford a telephone), censored newspapers/radio and then a World War happens and suddenly your loved ones shipped off where they are as likely to die in battle as they are from an infection. Suddenly a lethal flu appears and you have to do whatever it takes to avoid getting it as well as make sure the young ones in the family kept clean which is almost impossible with children. Remember, the rural US didn't even have electricity, it only happened when FDR came along so everything was done by hand, you used wood/coal/kerosene for heating and your lighting was oil lamps/candles (even in NYC pre-war buildings have fireplaces and gas lines that were used for lighting). Despite these differences the average American in the WWI era was far healthier and knowledgeable about hygiene than the average factory slave in Wuhan is today. That alone tells me the Communist Party in China has been disastrous, even lethal, for the average person by keeping their people dumb and dependent on the State.
 
Groan… Prime Minister Selfie, (Trudeau), just doesn't know when to shut up & man up. His father 'enjoyed' a chequered reputation as a softy... until he invoked the War Measures Act following a series of terrorist attacks in Canada.. I very much doubt Trudeau Junior has the stones to do the equivalent. More accurately, he seems more inclined to want to be LOVED, (or liked), & to promote Social Justice.

In the face of any potential national crisis, I personally will trade having my feels wounded for my health & life. I or anyone else feeling slighted under such circumstances can find some therapy or something after a crisis is past.

When did the west get so pussified… yeah, rhetorical question.
 
A shoutout to the mad Kiwis who did this, also.

Bar is slammed for coronavirus-themed promotion offering $6.50 Coronas while the pandemic lasts - but the boss says offended 'snowflakes need a sense of humour'


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Who the fuck would pay that much for Corona? Do the other Kiwis like it for some reason?
 
Groan… Prime Minister Selfie, (Trudeau), just doesn't know when to shut up & man up. His father 'enjoyed' a chequered reputation as a softy... until he invoked the War Measures Act following a series of terrorist attacks in Canada.. I very much doubt Trudeau Junior has the stones to do the equivalent. More accurately, he seems more inclined to want to be LOVED, (or liked), & to promote Social Justice.

In the face of any potential national crisis, I personally will trade having my feels wounded for my health & life. I or anyone else feeling slighted under such circumstances can find some therapy or something after a crisis is past.

When did the west get so pussified… yeah, rhetorical question.

It's just another one of those feeling over facts moments that's so prevalent on western countries
I'm starting to believe western nations needs a serious pandemic at their hand so they can reassess their prorities
 
The article misses two key points:

1. The virus did not begin in America. It was brought here by, you guessed it, the Chinese. In 1915 a particularly nasty strain of flu had popped up, and it struck again in 1916 in norther china. Many young men from these villages were being transported across canada to board boats destined for Europe, to help did the trenches. While traveling across, many of the men fell ill with severe flu symptoms, then later pneumonia. This occurred months before the Funston outbreak, but was kept top secret because the chinese were technically neutral in WW1, and the western powers did not want the competing spheres of influence in chins to start fighting while war was occurring in Europe.

2. The Spanish flu was quite unusual, in that it was killing healthy young patients, yet weak or elderly were living. The article says this, but doesnt mention that this is thought to be due to mustard gas, a carcinogenic mutagen that was widely used in europe, and attacked the membranes were the flu virus likes to live. The result was a virus strain that was WAY too aggressive, mutated outside of natural progression, and the soldiers brought it back with them after the war was over.

The mustard gas is not likely to occur again, so even with the Novel Coronavirus being manipulated by human engineers, I doubt it will ever be as aggressive as spanish flu was, simply because natural selection is not being pushed with mutagens this time around.

Another fun fact, that spanish flu? It was H1N1. The same H1N1 the world went bonkers over in 2009. That link wasnt found until after the 2009 outbreak, when a frozen specimen of spanish flu was found. Obviously they were not identical, because virus mutations and rapid lifecycles, but the two were undoubtedly of the same family.
Thanks for the info. The Spanish Flu was indeed H1N1. My understanding is that it is theorized that the avian(H1N1) flu recombined with swine virus when it reached the U.S., creating a mutation of the already nasty H1N1., and then went back to Europe with our infected troops and created the even worse wave of disease. In essence the virus was very similar to H5N1 and the variant strains that have been identified. However, I am by no means any sort of geneticist or epidemiologist and only have a laymans grasp of the subject.

This led me to wonder... Is it possible, that the swine disease that has decimated over half of China's pork production has genetically recombined with a bat virus to create this novel Corona virus? Or, is it possible that in trying to find a cure for the swine disease, China has been doing a little genetic witchery and their tinkering breached containment and gave us this novel virus? I realize that no mention of any type genetic similarity to swine-borne virus has been mentioned, in fact at some point I know that there was mention of similarities to reptilian DNA. I find the whole thing fascinating in a horrifying way.
 
So, Bill Gates ran a simulation of an obscure coronavirus pandemic to "highlight risks" just couple of weeks ago - http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/
Now we have an actual coronavirus outbreak.
Given just these two facts, it boggles my mind, that Bill Gates and every one of his henchmen is NOT at the moment at some glow in the dark black site with electrodes clipped to their genitals.
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Could it be that Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is actually a death cult? Bill has been wanting to kill billions of humans for a while (by vaccinating people and saving lives - nudge, nudge, wink wink). Working with vaccines gives him an excuse to have access to deadly viruses.
So here's how it could have happened:
Bill runs a successful simulation with numbers for a (totally fictional lol) virus he already has access to and practically ejaculates when he sees the success of the simulation.
Chinese New Year coming, Bill sees an opportunity, can't keep it in his pants and seizes it.
Wuhan BioSafety lab also has BSL-3 facilities in addition to BSL-4 labs, doing commercial work, Bill sends his samples there for some routine work.
Virus leaks from BSL-3 labs,
Chinese assume it's from their BSL-4 in the same building, where they are doing SARS/coronavirus research and invent bat soup story to cover their own ass.

Motive - check.
Opportunity - successful mass-casualty event simulation, Chinese New Year, plausible deniability, check.
Means - dude is a billionaire, has access to viruses and bioengineering labs, check.
 
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Because of international political bullshit Taiwan has not been able to get a lot of the information they need directly from a lot of these international organizations.

US House committee blasts ICAO over Taiwan issue

The US House of Representatives’ Committee on Foreign Affairs on Monday denounced the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) for blocking Twitter accounts that criticized the organization’s continued exclusion of Taiwan during a global public health crisis.

“The United Nation’s @icao plays a valuable role in ensuring aviation security. But silencing voices that oppose ICAO’s exclusion of Taiwan goes against their stated principles of fairness, inclusion, and transparency,” the committee said in a Twitter post.

The tweet was a response to ICAO blocking critics, US news Web site Axios said in a report earlier on the same day.

According to Axios, Jessica Drun (莊宛樺), a non-resident fellow at the Project 2049 Institute, on Sunday noticed that ICAO had blocked her on Twitter, two days after she criticized the organization and the WHO for refusing to share knowledge with Taiwan’s authorities in a tweet.

“This means civil aviation authorities for one of busiest regional airports do not receive up-to-date info on any potential ICAO-WHO efforts. This is how a virus spreads,” Drun tweeted on Thursday last week.

There has been an outbreak of the 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV), which causes respiratory infection, in the city of Wuhan, China, where the virus was first detected last month.

The virus has since spread to other countries, reaching Europe and the US as a result of people traveling by air, sea and land, or direct contact with a carrier.

The airport Drun mentioned in her tweet was Taiwan Taoyuan International Airport, which was ranked the 11th busiest airport in the world in terms of international passenger traffic in 2018, handling more than 46.5 million passengers.

The Twitter accounts of several other critics were also blocked by ICAO, the Axios report said. However, it did not identify them, saying only that some were Capitol Hill staffers, analysts and an English teacher in Guangzhou who had posted similar criticisms.

Through his press shop Twitter account, US Senator Marco Rubio described ICAO’s action as “outrageous” and said it was “another sign that the Chinese Communist Party’s efforts to pressure and bully international organizations to bend to its demands are working.”

In another tweet posted on Friday last week, Rubio said that Beijing’s efforts to block Taiwan’s meaningful participation in international organizations such as the WHO have real effects on global responses to public health crises.

“We are especially reminded of this as the deadly coronavirus has reached Taiwan,” he tweeted.

ICAO Secretary-General Fang Liu (劉芳), a former Chinese aviation official, issued a reminder of the organization’s social media rules on Twitter, saying: “Irrelevant, compromising and offensive material will be removed and the publisher precluded.”

“Join us in improving advocacy for sustainable aviation development through fact-based discourse,” she tweeted.
As Wuhan Virus Spreads, Taiwan Has No Say at WHO
Chinese pressure keeps Taipei out of international organizations—putting everyone at more risk.
On Wednesday, the World Health Organization (WHO) is convening an emergency committee of experts to assess whether the coronavirus outbreak that originated in Wuhan, China, constitutes an international crisis. But one of the countries affected, Taiwan, will not be represented.

Taiwan confirmed its first case of the pneumonia on Jan. 21, a potentially fatal illness similar to the deadly SARS outbreak of 2002-2003. The United States confirmed its first case the same day.

Although official statements before last weekend claimed the infection was still confined to Wuhan and only a few dozen cases, the number of reported human infections has grown dramatically, to more than 500 in China, and cases have also now been confirmed in Australia, Japan, Thailand, and South Korea. The seventeen people who have been confirmed to have died from the illness were in Wuhan, and many of the others infected had lived in or traveled there.

All of this comes just days ahead of Lunar New Year, celebrated across Asia, when China’s government estimates that people will take 3 billion trips to celebrate the festival with their families, in the largest annual human migration in the world. Many of the 1 million Taiwanese living in China will return to Taiwan during this period.


But Taiwan is no longer able to attend the World Health Assembly, WHO’s annual policy meeting. China has prevented Taiwan from attending since 2016, after President Tsai Ing-wen was elected for the first time. Since her election, Beijing has stepped up its existing military and economic pressure on Taiwan, viewing Tsai’s pro-sovereignty status as a veil for Taiwanese independence.

Under what other circumstances would 24 million people be excluded from representation in such an important organization? Beijing—and the WHO authorities that bend to its will—is allowing political and diplomatic sensitivities to interfere with the administration of global health and safety.

Beijing relies on a United Nations resolution passed on Oct. 25, 1971, recognizing the People’s Republic of China as the only legitimate representative of China to the U.N. China’s Taiwan Affairs Office has openly thanked WHO for excluding Taiwan, blaming an inaccurate representation of Tsai’s views on Taiwan’s independence.

These efforts border on petty, with Beijing at times refusing Taiwan’s right to host sporting events. While Taiwan is able to participate in the Olympic Games under the name “Chinese Taipei,” there are questions as to whether Beijing will even tolerate this when China hosts the Winter Olympics in 2022. The East Asian Olympic Committee bowed to Beijing’s pressure and canceled Taiwan’s planned hosting of the East Asian Youth Games in 2018.

Taiwan has similarly been excluded from the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO), despite Taiwan’s largest airport receiving 46.5 million passengers in 2018. While Taiwan was able to attend the 38th ICAO Assembly in 2013 as a special guest, it was refused entry for the triennial assemblies in 2016 and 2019.



Beijing’s successful attempts to exclude Taiwan from international organizations have serious consequences.

While Taiwanese officials receive information on unfolding health crises such as coronavirus from counterparts in China or elsewhere, no formal mechanism exists to ensure that it is received in a timely manner.



Taiwan has a history of managing previous outbreaks in the region, from SARS to swine flu, well. It shouldn’t simply be a passive recipient of thirdhand information; it should have a seat at the table in the planning and preparatory meetings of WHO. Tsai herself said at a press conference on Jan. 22 that WHO should not exclude Taiwan for political reasons and find space to allow Taiwan’s attendance. By her side was Vice President Chen Chien-jen, who managed Taiwan’s response to SARS in 2003 as health minister. China was widely criticized for its opaque handling of the SARS outbreak, which claimed nearly 800 lives. It was only after two SARS-related fatalities that WHO agreed to send specialists to Taiwan.

But Taiwan’s experiences of late are limited to managing disease. As Tsai took to the stage on Jan. 11, reelected with a record number of 8.17 million votes, she had a message for the world: “All countries should consider Taiwan a partner, not an issue.” She’s right. Not only does Taiwan deserve to be a normal country, but there is much to learn from Taiwan.

Delegations of observers from all over the world, from Australia to Japan, the Czech Republic to the Philippines, traveled to Taiwan to witness the Jan. 11 elections. Tsai in her acceptance speech noted the election had received “unprecedented international attention” and she hoped in turn that “Taiwan will be given a fair opportunity to participate in international affairs.”

Taiwan has a long history of being bullied by China, a situation that many other countries are slowly waking up to. The solutions it has been forced to find to questions such as how to balance the demands of an increasingly authoritarian Beijing against the attractions of its lucrative market, how to manage relations with Washington when the United States seems to be retreating from the region, and how to defend its democratic system in the face of actors apparently intent on undermining it are ones that others badly need. As a result, Taiwan has weathered the U.S.-China trade war better than any other Asian tiger, despite the economic interdependence between Taiwan and China’s economies—without conceding ground to Beijing. While many other third-wave democracies have backslid, Taiwan is one of the freest societies on Earth, according to Freedom House. Taiwan has been on the front lines of these debates for decades.

China’s efforts to airbrush Taiwan’s existence and control the international narrative about the inevitability of unification are in part to convince the international community that Taiwan isn’t worth a war. International observers may hope that China may adopt a more flexible policy toward Taiwan over the next four years. But the internal logic in Xi Jinping’s China makes this unlikely. Instead, the next four years will likely see more pressure on Taiwan’s remaining diplomatic partners and less space for its international participation.

But Taiwan can flip that strategy. By encouraging more international support in areas like health that are clearly in the national interest of the United States or Australia, it can hope that China will continue to see that the costs of a messy, high-risk, protracted war outweigh the costs of patience.

In some areas, it will be difficult for other countries to navigate Beijing’s sensitivities about Taiwan. Negotiating trade agreements or conducting joint military exercises may be a step too far—but issues such as health and aviation have direct national interest consequences for many other players.

Only international support can resist China’s efforts to erase Taiwan. The coronavirus outbreak is deeply worrying but also a timely reminder that Taiwan needs to be readmitted to WHO and other international bodies. Rather than treat Taiwan as a problem to be resolved, it should be a partner in the challenges that liberal democracies will face over the decades to come.

TL ; DR: China's international fuckery over Taiwanese independence is causing active harm to the people of Tiawan
 
More updates:

This one is on the courier companies getting into the mix by intercepting the supplies bought by concerned chinks overseas and reselling them at exorbitant prices.

This one is on the newly-promoted Head of Science at the Chinese Medical University getting "disciplined according to Party protocol" after refusing to head to Wuhan to deal with the situation.

In this Tweet, the OP in the first pic was dismissed by the doctor as a 'safe case' even though he had symptoms since the 24th and having aggravating conditions in his lungs despite following the quarantine guidelines to a T. The doc explained in a roundabout way that only patients in extremely critical conditions could receive treatment due to the lack of medical supplies. This is supported by the OP in the 2nd pic getting his uncle ping-ponged around the hospitals in Wuhan despite being in a coma with a lung infection.

Guess the medical Kiwis were right, they're practicing triage now.

Also had a small showerthought:
I guess Donald finally won the trade war. It may not be how he envisioned it, but the Springtime for Hitler trope is in full effect I see.

Apologies again for not being able to archive, am typing this on my phone.

EDIT: Put a smile on that face
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If anyone wants to read more about the 1918 influenza in America, https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/journal-plague-year-180965222/ this is an interesting read. I just happen to be somewhat of a student of this particular pandemic because my Grandfather was an young volunteer at ground zero, Camp Funston, Kansas, when this plague reared it's head. It is thought that the U.S. was actually the original source of this world-wide plague,

The history of how this flu became worse the second time around, after mutation, and also how the U.S. Gov't reacted when it became clear that they had a pandemic on their hands is fascinating. Like China is doing now, the U.S. did its utmost to downplay and massage the news. I can only hope that Corona-chan is not a repeat of the 1918 pandemic.

(Grandpa survived though never forgot the horrors of that Camp, and he went on to become a favored driver for General Pershing. He was one of a few who knew how to work on the new-fangled horseless carriages, so he spent the wartime in motorpool.)

It's late on my end to do more than just skim through for any key words to pop out at me, but this picture--bruh.

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What are those fucking holes. That is not normal for a flu to do, is it? Is it?

Oh, since this has been on my mind, figured I'd bring it up. My mom's brought it up a couple times before, she just can't recall where she read it and I can't seem to find anything, but apparently there's a record of the American Indians during 1918 who didn't have as many casualties like in the cities and countryside (but smallpox blankets sure did the trick). The reason they managed to make it was because they'd crush and consume bits of aconite (known commonly as wolfs-bane), and the poison would make their immune systems go on high alert.

It's worth noting that a lot of homeopathic medicine uses it, which I know gets a bad rap because it seems a lot of folks pushing it have a disdain for modern medicine, but it's used to combat colds. I've taken some of the aconite before any time I'd get the sniffles and such, and within a few days it clears up. Coincidence or not, I just thought that'd be worth bringing up to see if it means anything. Been taking it again since this weekend, and while my cough hasn't gone away, it hasn't gotten worse, at least, and I don't cough as much throughout the day.

(Two-hour walk was normal today, there were no issues, so still in the green. Sure it doesn't mean much, but it's assuring to me.)
 
We're doomed

India recommends homeopathy to treat this virus

Let them, less competition for American IT firms in a post-WuFlu world.
 
I hope a decade or so from now, HBO makes it into a kind of spiritual sequel miniseries to Chernobyl. I bet there's some fascinating stories to tell from the locals.
...and yet we'll still get some REEEing about the lack of representation in China.
 
Nah, Diversity means less white people. They'll complain the non-Chinese people aren't black and brown.
Funnily enough, I read an article a couple of days ago about the OUTRAGE that more people care about the Coronavirus having 'privilege' meanwhile the lesser widespread Lassa virus is ignored because so far it's mainly Africans being affected.
 
. Is it possible, that the swine disease that has decimated over half of China's pork production has genetically recombined with a bat virus to create this novel Corona virus?
No they have different ‘sense’ RNA. It does show how bad their animal husbandry is thoigh.
India recommends homeopathy to treat this virus
Well it’s always good to keep hydrated when you’re unwell ... :lol:
 
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