Steven Universe - Now a Griefing Thread

[keyboredsm4shthe2nd]

Arguing about Greg's Religion is the most autistic thing I have ever seen.

Where the fuck do you think you are

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Where the fuck do you think you are

Kansas? Is it Kansas? I hope it is kansas.

 

[Yamma Damma]

I realize I’ve been posting here way too much, but after doing some browsing when I stumbled upon this and wow. Who knew a show this optimistic could attract some depressed fucks:

You're not double-posting and your posts are informative. Keep doing you buddy.
>says you're too wrapped up in a fantasy world
>talks about a show set in a fantasy world

Is this emo watching the same show? (weird random jab at rich people there) SU clumsily balanced Steven's Gem life and Human life the whole time. Saying humans are the only ones who suffer and get depressed ignores the bullshit the Crystal Gems went through. (Pearl with Rose, Garnet with Rose and fusion stuff, Amethyst with her belonging issues, Lapis with her fear of being used, Peridot with her loyalty being questioned, Bismuth with her rage towards the Diamonds, Spinel....SPINEL.) Everybody on this show had problems, cried and sang about them, solved their problems more or less and moved on.

The show's tagline is "Believe in Steven". We believed he could pull through and he did! He saved the world, dismantled an empire, gave a second chance to war veterans, officiated a gay wedding, and brought a human back from the dead! One kid was able to do all of that and got a good ending. And Steven Universe Future: The Quest for More Money is fucking that up. You want to see real life issues so bad? Turn off the cartoons and go outside.

Did you forget he's canonically a joo

You know what I don't understand? Apparently White rules homeworld, Yellow is army/tech, Pink is... army? And Blue is supposed to be a diplomat. A diplomat. When they just go and genocide planets on the regular and consider organic life exceptional. That's not even getting into the huge backspace (widely regarded non-canon) one of Sugar's lackey's did when the implication that the diamonds were genocidal of intelligent life.

Pink was a figurehead and basically a princess. She was only doing what everyone else was doing because she was a Diamond too and that's what Diamonds do: Create colonies and conquer planets. When Pink wanted to bail out, everyone told her to suck it up and finish the job. Instead of telling the Diamonds to fuck off she'll do what she wants and protect Earth (the smart way), she creates a gemsona and pretends to an hero herself. (the dumb way)

Becky REALLY wanted this show to be the one-stop-shop for guilt-free western waifus and goddamn did she fail.

 

[Pickle Inspector]

I love the show, but I have always find it funny how a whole planet of homicidal and mentally ill space ladies got saved by the down to earth wisdom of a white middle aged dude. I dont think thats very feminist, Rebecca.

Also an all female society of ancient immortals was changed over night because a white teenage adolescent told the leader she's acting crazy.

White male now worshipped and beloved by all.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

Also an all female society of ancient immortals was changed over night because a white teenage adolescent told the leader she's acting crazy.

White male now worshipped and beloved by all.

I dont think thats very feminist, Rebecca.

 

[Private Pyle]

You're not double-posting and your posts are informative. Keep doing you buddy.
>says you're too wrapped up in a fantasy world
>talks about a show set in a fantasy world

Is this emo watching the same show? (weird random jab at rich people there) SU clumsily balanced Steven's Gem life and Human life the whole time. Saying humans are the only ones who suffer and get depressed ignores the bullshit the Crystal Gems went through. (Pearl with Rose, Garnet with Rose and fusion stuff, Amethyst with her belonging issues, Lapis with her fear of being used, Peridot with her loyalty being questioned, Bismuth with her rage towards the Diamonds, Spinel....SPINEL.) Everybody on this show had problems, cried and sang about them, solved their problems more or less and moved on.

The show's tagline is "Believe in Steven". We believed he could pull through and he did! He saved the world, dismantled an empire, gave a second chance to war veterans, officiated a gay wedding, and brought a human back from the dead! One kid was able to do all of that and got a good ending. And Steven Universe Future: The Quest for More Money is fucking that up. You want to see real life issues so bad? Turn off the cartoons and go outside.



Pink was a figurehead and basically a princess. She was only doing what everyone else was doing because she was a Diamond too and that's what Diamonds do: Create colonies and conquer planets. When Pink wanted to bail out, everyone told her to suck it up and finish the job. Instead of telling the Diamonds to fuck off she'll do what she wants and protect Earth (the smart way), she creates a gemsona and pretends to an hero herself. (the dumb way)

Becky REALLY wanted this show to be the one-stop-shop for guilt-free western waifus and goddamn did she fail.

I think it’s the doomer mentality that gets me here. According to this schmuck, if real life sucks, then life has to suck for real life for fictional characters...never mind that fiction can be an escape from real life, not a reminder of all the bad things in life. And that’s before getting into how unrealistic it is to think the human experience is just suffering and depression.

Everything you listed sums up my frustrations with Future, in that it went from a happy go lucky series that ended more or less positively for everyone and undoing that to add teenage angst and CW tier melodrama, ironically coming off as less mature when they weren’t trying to be “realistic”. And apparently, Sugar still isn’t done.

Again, I don’t mind darker and more personal themes in fiction, far from it. But it just feels like we’ve gone back full circle to when people were blindly praising Evangelion for having a mentally disturbed cast, without asking if it was well implemented or not.

 

[Shokew]

I think it’s the doomer mentality that gets me here. According to this schmuck, if real life sucks, then life has to suck for real life for fictional characters...never mind that fiction can be an escape from real life, not a reminder of all the bad things in life. And that’s before getting into how unrealistic it is to think the human experience is just suffering and depression.

Everything you listed sums up my frustrations with Future, in that it went from a happy go lucky series that ended more or less positively for everyone and undoing that to add teenage angst and CW tier melodrama, ironically coming off as less mature when they weren’t trying to be “realistic”. And apparently, Sugar still isn’t done.

Again, I don’t mind darker and more personal themes in fiction, far from it. But it just feels like we’ve gone back full circle to when people were blindly praising Evangelion for having a mentally disturbed cast, without asking if it was well implemented or not.

Now that makes sense..... To be fair, I've always preferred (almost anything) Gundam (not that High School BS that is Gunpla, though. No thanks to that!) for my small amount of anime watching anyday over the pretentiousness of Evangelion, so...
Honestly, is this just more of what happens when all you do is rather weaksauce anime references instead of something actually interesting and/or legit entertaining in ways that mean something?

 

[Private Pyle]

Now that makes sense..... To be fair, I've always preferred (almost anything) Gundam (not that High School BS that is Gunpla, though. No thanks to that!) for my small amount of anime watching anyday over the pretentiousness of Evangelion, so...
Honestly, is this just more of what happens when all you do is rather weaksauce anime references instead of something actually interesting and/or legit entertaining in ways that mean something?

It’s very, very easy to blame the frequent anime references on the show’s quality but then again, Quentin Tarantino stuffs his movies with tons of pop culture references and they’re still quality movies. If anything, the references don’t go far enough and make their understanding of the anime surface level.
No, the simple fact of the matter is that they’re not even trying to be entertaining or even try to tell a story at this point. The main concern seems to be being “deconstructive and subversive” and pulling on the heart strings of emotionally stunted man children. For all the praise Sugar gives to sci-fi, her show does little with the genre outside of window dressing and lip service; she’d probably be better off writing a slice of life/drama webcomic than attempting a space opera in all honesty.

 

[PopRocks]

she’d probably be better off writing a slice of life/drama webcomic than attempting a space opera in all honesty.

Pretty much. It's really obvious that she wanted SU to be SOL show with magic nonsense happing every now and then.

 

[Shokew]

It’s very, very easy to blame the frequent anime references on the show’s quality but then again, Quentin Tarantino stuffs his movies with tons of pop culture references and they’re still quality movies. If anything, the references don’t go far enough and make their understanding of the anime surface level.
No, the simple fact of the matter is that they’re not even trying to be entertaining or even try to tell a story at this point. The main concern seems to be being “deconstructive and subversive” and pulling on the heart strings of emotionally stunted man children. For all the praise Sugar gives to sci-fi, her show does little with the genre outside of window dressing and lip service; she’d probably be better off writing a slice of life/drama webcomic than attempting a space opera in all honesty.

Pretty much. It's really obvious that she wanted SU to be SOL show with magic nonsense happing every now and then.

Sad part is... That's what the pilot represented. And that's what everyone who had anything to do with it, not just Sucrose, should have aimed to stick to, with all due honesty. That would mean little to no action whatsoever, which is a tough sacrifice to make, but that's the price you pay to make GOOD SOL comedy and do it well- starting by actually making the show FUNNY, as well as relatable and endearing, to both kids and adults.

These things, especially being actually funny in a way that doesn't make one insult it to its face are what have been missing from Sucrose's show since the beginning, outside of that pilot, anyway...

 

[GhostButt]

Spoiler: i don't know why greg is an inuit here, but this sums it all up tidily

 

[Akumaten]

I realize I’ve been posting here way too much, but after doing some browsing when I stumbled upon this and wow. Who knew a show this optimistic could attract some depressed fucks:

Ironically, Steven does becomes the 1% on both human and Gem side with his dad getting all that money and Steven being a Gem god

 

[Private Pyle]

Sad part is... That's what the pilot represented. And that's what everyone who had anything to do with it, not just Sucrose, should have aimed to stick to, with all due honesty. That would mean little to no action whatsoever, which is a tough sacrifice to make, but that's the price you pay to make GOOD SOL comedy and do it well- starting by actually making the show FUNNY, as well as relatable and endearing, to both kids and adults.

These things, especially being actually funny in a way that doesn't make one insult it to its face are what have been missing from Sucrose's show since the beginning, outside of that pilot, anyway...

This brings up a serious issue the whole series; it never decides on what it wants to be. It’s nowhere near as bad as OK KO but still; it starts as an action comedy urban fantasy with some dark moments. Then it trades in fantasy for sci-fi but never commits to it, so you have SoL episodes and pure comedy (which is where the show is weakest). This poor balancing act continued up until the final act which become more of a space opera. Future seems to now be a weird drama/character study that once again scales back the fantastical elements. If it just chose and stuck to one of these things from the word go, so many of it’s problems would be avoided.

Spoiler: i don't know why greg is an inuit here, but this sums it all up tidily

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I like everything about this, even Greg looking like Temuera Morrison.

 

[friedshrimp]

Funny speaking about religion, since the last episode presented a muslim girl. Which is hilarious since Sugar said this world has no religion, but Allah is still the one true god I guess. Burn the Gem infidels!

Also, Bismuth and Pearl are a thing now, I guess?

 

[Cactuar King]

it never decides on what it wants to be. It’s nowhere near as bad as OK KO

There are more issues than just the offensively bad art? I really shouldn't be surprised.

 

[TungstenCarbide]

I think it’s the doomer mentality that gets me here. According to this schmuck, if real life sucks, then life has to suck for real life for fictional characters...never mind that fiction can be an escape from real life, not a reminder of all the bad things in life. And that’s before getting into how unrealistic it is to think the human experience is just suffering and depression.

Agreed. This mindset is still very popular among a lot of authors/screenwriters. Maybe because pain is universal and humor depends on time and culture and personal taste, so writing angst and pain is easier. If I show to a Japanese friend an Italian comedy show he probably wouldn't find it funny, but if tell him how my grandpa died in an accident he will understand my sadness.

And yes, I've seen writers reacting to their audience complaints about angst saying "That's real life, tragedy can strike in every moment", except that that's not real life: your show has sentient objects, demons and an almost-apocalypse, you can write whatever but you choose to write angst because you literally can't think about other ways to bring the story forward. Also, yes, people watch to be entertained, not be reminded that life sucks. And if your audience won't be entertained, they'll leave you and your show.

 

[Private Pyle]

Funny speaking about religion, since the last episode presented a muslim girl. Which is hilarious since Sugar said this world has no religion, but Allah is still the one true god I guess. Burn the Gem infidels!

Also, Bismuth and Pearl are a thing now, I guess?

Yeah, Muslims have been popping up in Western media lately, so SU needs to follow that trend, their own world building be damned. They even had a quick shot of a transgender bathroom so you know they’re being inclusive this season.

And yes, with the show nearly finished and with some other loose ends to tie up, they instead bait shippers. Out of all the plot lines they could have done for Bismuth, the best they could do is have her crush on Pearl and make her the new Pearl. Top tier writing.

 

[heyilikeyourmom]

Two new episodes dropped early, as per usual they’re both wonderful.

 

[Muttnik]

Two new episodes dropped early, as per usual they’re both wonderful.

If by "wonderful", you mean that they're plotless filler that pander to tumblr audiences and have the same conflict of Steven losing his shit.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

If by "wonderful", you mean that they're plotless filler that pander to tumblr audiences and have the same conflict of Steven losing his shit.

He's clearly trying to get a rise out of some of you.