The Final Fantasy Thread

[madeinabyss31]

Good to know. Thank you!

Did you happen to play the remake? If so was the additional story content/timeline any good?

I played through some of it and what I played was really good, I was surprised by how well done the voice acting was. I thought it would have been phoned in, but it fits. One of the DLC stories is fan service - something like you see one of the characters bathing. It's whatever, doesn't change too much. I didn't get to see the added ending, I stopped and started playing through the recently translated Trails of Zero, so I need to get back to it.

 

[haurchefant]

Honestly, I can't even be mad at Nomura, haurche. Say what you will about me, but I respect that sort of spite and grudge, and the fact Square Enix didn't realize it would happen just makes it all the more better, in my eyes.

I see where you're coming from but imo Nomura is simply way too bad at his job to justify it. His "good games" such as they were came out on Playstation 2, which is almost three generations ago. So it's like, with that kind of track record, how much respect is he owed really?

 

[Radical Cadre]

I played through some of it and what I played was really good, I was surprised by how well done the voice acting was. I thought it would have been phoned in, but it fits. One of the DLC stories is fan service - something like you see one of the characters bathing. It's whatever, doesn't change too much. I didn't get to see the added ending, I stopped and started playing through the recently translated Trails of Zero, so I need to get back to it.

Well I'd probably turn the voice acting off immediately. But you say they show characters taking a bath?

See, that's the kind of fanservice that's a-okay in my book. If the major changes to FFVII Remake included Tifa bending down 500% more and an Aeris-Yuffie hot coffee adventure, I'd be on board and hand out perfect 10s to the entire development staff. It's also way easier than changing the story.

 

[Poop A Loop]

Good to know. Thank you!

Did you happen to play the remake? If so was the additional story content/timeline any good?

Putting my two cents in as someone who never played the original...

I could tell the extra stuff meant to unlock the new ending was more of a set of checkboxes that you needed to do separate from the rest of the game. Still, they were fun and when it came to unlocking the true ending the new character and her purpose was very well put together with voice acting from everyone and all that so it wasn't disappointing or anything. It's just that before the true ending it exists as a sort of separate "thing" to do. The new ending is satisfying in my opinion. There's also a secret dungeon/epilogue after the new true ending that I personally never took on but that serves as a way for you to prove you've broken the game over your knee.

The only problem I had with the game was that the beginning was WAY too overtuned and made upgrading your equipment too expensive without a lot of grinding that didn't even help me level up.

 

[I Love Beef]

I'm probably going to expose meself with my opinions, but then again so might I had with my other thoughts I have shared on the Farms. So I can't wait to reap what's to be sown.

The whole issue with Final Fantasy VII was that it did its worldbuilding AFTER its post game movie extra, and its post game movie extra was rather fluff that got the diehards to sperg out over its visuals and superfluous story. Let alone Dirge of Cerberus, which has a lot of cool concepts that would have fit in great in a remake (ie the one that is coming out episodically). All of that shit tacked onto an ending that was meant to be ambigous and largely a mystery for all players who beat the game. The only things that did feel right were games that took place before the main game, and the additional light novels that weren't trying to bring back a dead horse to beat to death, because those games helped build the world. I get that Star Wars and its extended universe with its novelizations and comics are an entertainment monopoly's pipe dream paradise which they can float on a sea of money for life, but they worked because they weren't trying to be more than what they were: additional pieces to which fans who just like the main installment can pass on, and to whom hardcore fans can enjoy out of their dedicated enjoyment of the series. TL;DR Advent Children was not a subtle movie by which to bring back interest in FFVII with, and it should had been its little ditty of Cloud living his everyday life with Tifa doing his deliveries and repairing the world one small step at a time.

Regarding Nomura, he only does his best if he doesn't touch Final Fantasy in a way that tries to invoke science or "realistic" fantasy, and needs his own fucking series which he can play with and proceed to do whatever he wants to. Nomura works with evoking romanticism, realistic references, and historic references, but Final Fantasy doesn't need that. I don't know if he got Sakaguchi's graces either before he left the company, but he needs to leave FF alone for a while and get to creating his own shit. He can design worth his money; Dissidia has amazing detailed armor work and improved clothing design that shows that he can work with fantasy. He just shouldn't work in Final Fantasy anymore, and I say this because at least he would be his own agency than taking on another man's series being mishandled by the shit conditions and legalspeak of corporate industry.

More over, "science fantasy" is a new frontier of genre territory that is lazily and shoddily put together. Science that takes its basis from working off of magical principles and correlates itself with physics you can make up in your world, I don't mind. Cramming in magic with physics based sciences, you just bring up more questions asked than answered. For a disclaimer, I don't hate realistic settings that have magic in the present day.

 

[I Love Beef]

You can control every character any time you want. I did a play through not using gambits at all....

You should have got gud and learned the gambit system.

I liked FFXII when it was called Seiken Densetsu 3. That was a game with a great overworld nontransistioning battle system. You could even play free range and be assed to play in an RPG way. You even could choose real classes, classes that were designed from the start to allow for different party configurations with an emphasis on tactics and strategizing your battles in both real time and in concept to execute. Fuck, I loved it when it was Vagrant Story.

The only thing that FFXII had going for it was its general worldbuilding and all kinds of neat shit you could get lore off of. Golden Age of Ivalice my ass. Tactics A2 Grimoire of the Rift had more to do with the Golden Age of Ivalice than XII.

 

[Marissa Moira]

So it seems the people who liked Final Fantasy 8 also seem to like the 7 Remake.

Final Fantasy 8 was controversial when it was released because you had the two camps of people who liked it and people who hated it which never really happened before in the series because you only had 4 other releases and nobody really cared about the NES game so really just 3 releases.

And to be honest I liked 8 so much I bought the physical release of the HD remaster that came bundled with 7.

 

[Radical Cadre]

I'm probably going to expose meself with my opinions, but then again so might I had with my other thoughts I have shared on the Farms. So I can't wait to reap what's to be sown.

The whole issue with Final Fantasy VII was that it did its worldbuilding AFTER its post game movie extra, and its post game movie extra was rather fluff that got the diehards to sperg out over its visuals and superfluous story.

You've only exposed yourself as being correct. This is what I think I've been trying to convey with some of what I have been saying. FFVII as a game is a cute game with some fun ideas and decent execution that came out at the right time and pleased a lot of JRPG fans who were excited for the future of the video games medium.

But Final Fantasy VII the franchise developed entirely after the actual game it took its name from. It is like a creature walking in Final Fantasy VII's skin and I think a lot of fans of the video game can tell that, even if they can't always put it into words.

 

[BanyaHat]

There's an anon on /v/ who is apparently looking into filing a lawsuit against SE for false advertising in regards to the FF7 "Remake". I doubt it'll get anywhere, but I'm interested in following the story.

 

[Red Hood]

You've only exposed yourself as being correct. This is what I think I've been trying to convey with some of what I have been saying. FFVII as a game is a cute game with some fun ideas and decent execution that came out at the right time and pleased a lot of JRPG fans who were excited for the future of the video games medium.

But Final Fantasy VII the franchise developed entirely after the actual game it took its name from. It is like a creature walking in Final Fantasy VII's skin and I think a lot of fans of the video game can tell that, even if they can't always put it into words.

Unfortunately most are such Consoomers that they'll buy it anyway despite something not seeming hunky-dory about it, and then they'll find a way to rationalize it.

 

[MightyBiteySnake]

Controversial Opinion Time:
I enjoy the world of final fantasy 7 and it's characters and am interested to see what this Remake/Reinterpretation of 7 has to offer. There was a lot of cut content to 7 due to time constraints and I wonder if some of we're seeing in the new content is based on that. I will hold any and all judgements until I play and beat Part 1, as I'd rather not destroy my new experience of the World of FF7 because it's a not a direct 1:1 of the old one.

Haven't gotten the game yet, but I'm an impatient bastard and have spoiled most of it for myself. I will lead with saying that I should have known Nomura would absolutely exceed my expectations... of his ability to horribly disappoint me. What kills me is that what I've seen of the expanded world elements and characters are actually really great and in line with elements of the original game, while still feeling fresh. The graphics, the sound, the voices? Fucking NAILED it.

But man oh man, if there's anything I despise more than anything else on the planet it's needless time travel plots. The whispers are a wholly unnecessary addition to the plot and the whole "can we change fate?" meta-narrative doesn't add anything meaningful to the world of FF7.

Still gonna get the game because the gameplay looks solid, and there's the other aforementioned good parts. But jesus christ take Nomura away from the writers room

 

[Chiri]

I'm probably going to expose meself with my opinions, but then again so might I had with my other thoughts I have shared on the Farms. So I can't wait to reap what's to be sown.

The whole issue with Final Fantasy VII was that it did its worldbuilding AFTER its post game movie extra, and its post game movie extra was rather fluff that got the diehards to sperg out over its visuals and superfluous story. Let alone Dirge of Cerberus, which has a lot of cool concepts that would have fit in great in a remake (ie the one that is coming out episodically). All of that shit tacked onto an ending that was meant to be ambigous and largely a mystery for all players who beat the game. The only things that did feel right were games that took place before the main game, and the additional light novels that weren't trying to bring back a dead horse to beat to death, because those games helped build the world. I get that Star Wars and its extended universe with its novelizations and comics are an entertainment monopoly's pipe dream paradise which they can float on a sea of money for life, but they worked because they weren't trying to be more than what they were: additional pieces to which fans who just like the main installment can pass on, and to whom hardcore fans can enjoy out of their dedicated enjoyment of the series. TL;DR Advent Children was not a subtle movie by which to bring back interest in FFVII with, and it should had been its little ditty of Cloud living his everyday life with Tifa doing his deliveries and repairing the world one small step at a time.

Regarding Nomura, he only does his best if he doesn't touch Final Fantasy in a way that tries to invoke science or "realistic" fantasy, and needs his own fucking series which he can play with and proceed to do whatever he wants to. Nomura works with evoking romanticism, realistic references, and historic references, but Final Fantasy doesn't need that. I don't know if he got Sakaguchi's graces either before he left the company, but he needs to leave FF alone for a while and get to creating his own shit. He can design worth his money; Dissidia has amazing detailed armor work and improved clothing design that shows that he can work with fantasy. He just shouldn't work in Final Fantasy anymore, and I say this because at least he would be his own agency than taking on another man's series being mishandled by the shit conditions and legalspeak of corporate industry.

More over, "science fantasy" is a new frontier of genre territory that is lazily and shoddily put together. Science that takes its basis from working off of magical principles and correlates itself with physics you can make up in your world, I don't mind. Cramming in magic with physics based sciences, you just bring up more questions asked than answered. For a disclaimer, I don't hate realistic settings that have magic in the present day.

Advent Children was apparently meant to be like a twenty minute short and the plot of it was solely about children telephoning a message to Cloud. Fan demand for something longer was what made SE expand it into a feature length film and into the mess that it was. Not to say that it would've for sure been good at a shorter length but they would have had less time to make mistakes.

 

[Berrakh]

Time travel plots only work if the entire story is built around time travel from the start.

I thought that movie where Jake Gyllenhaal (not checking) repeated the same disaster over and over would be a neat idea. But it's too small for this EPIC reimagining of... their most popular story... hm. Getting Sherlock vibes. The BBC show. Where the showrunner thought Holmes stories needed to be fixed and made more epic.

I beat FFX for the first time yesterday. I missed the game during its original release, so I only knew it through the memes. The writing and acting get substantially better in the second half. Any way they can patch that in for the whole game?

Can you play with Nip voice acting? Tidus and Yuna are just too extra for me. Yuna has the issue a lot of English VAs have with trying to mimic cutesy Japanese speaking. So it's just really flat and breathy.

Aeris seems downright weird in the remake. Like, I get that she was sort of a "crystals woo woo Cetra" chick, but it was really subdued; probably because she lived in the big city slums run by the megacorp and a pimp, so she had to be tougher to deal with all the lechers and jerks. In the remake she seems literally autistic and naive. Her responses seem stilted and disconnected and somehow she (like Tifa) has less character and overall expressiveness than her PS1-era counterpart.

I interpreted her personality both in the original and especially in the remake as someone that is pretty aware (sometimes too much so) of her surroundings/predicament but pretty much chooses to be oblivious or positive regardless. For example, take her interactions with Rude. It's clear she knows he has to monitor her, and yet she, naively like you mentioned, and meekly asks him to leave her and Cloud alone anyway,

IIRC the guy who composed her theme music said he assumed she was actually sad despite her outward appearances. He didn't know she was gonna die but still gave her a melancholy theme music as a result. But I do think her behavior is meant to be affected beyond this, like she's intervening in Cloud's life because she knows she might have to for the Planet's sake even if it ultimately hurts him irreparably. Because otherwise he'd either get smashed in Sector 7 or never rejoin AVALANCHE because it's "not his problem."

And the remake embellished Sector 5 as her community, so she has a good way to ignore everything and just pretend to be normal.

So it seems the people who liked Final Fantasy 8 also seem to like the 7 Remake.

Final Fantasy 8 was controversial when it was released because you had the two camps of people who liked it and people who hated it which never really happened before in the series because you only had 4 other releases and nobody really cared about the NES game so really just 3 releases.

And to be honest I liked 8 so much I bought the physical release of the HD remaster that came bundled with 7.

FF8 fandom seems to just be about Squall and Rinoa, and whether you like "them", and tolerance for time travel as window dressing. So it makes sense. But ff7 critically has two love interests, who are important at different times. Both to the plot and to our MC. And never had time travel. So it's such a bad fit and crowds out what was actually going on.

 

[MrJokerRager]

 

[Intelligent Calcium]

Roxas, to a dying Xion: "No, who am I gonna have ice cream with!"
Cloud, to a dying Jessie: "You owe me a pizza."

P O T T E R Y

 

[Marissa Moira]

Resident evil 3 remake moved 2 million copies in 3 days.

This is the baseline this new one is going to have to clear, could FF7R move more than 2 million copies in a weekend?

 

[Stab You in the Back]

Resident evil 3 remake moved 2 million copies in 3 days.

This is the baseline this new one is going to have to clear, could FF7R move more than 2 million copies in a weekend?

Over the weekend. When it was sold out everywhere. And everybody was stuck at home under quarantine.

I wouldn't be surprised if it moved more than five million units.

 

[Doxus]

Roxas, to a dying Xion: "No, who am I gonna have ice cream with!"
Cloud, to a dying Jessie: "You owe me a pizza."

P O T T E R Y

It rhymes.


I saw this being a shitshow back when it was first announced. But to go with time travel of all fucking things?
Makes me so glad that I got into The Legends of Heroes series. More "anime" than FF but far more satisfying if you pay attention to world building and character development.

 

[verissimus]

I know I said I wouldn't speculate on this crap anymore, but I can't help but ask : "If the Sephiroth of the remake has an understanding of the future/alternate timelines, then what is the point of him killing Aeris (well assuming she is the last Ancient)?" Like really. If he doesn't do that, he can't lose.

But I do think her behavior is meant to be affected beyond this, like she's intervening in Cloud's life because she knows she might have to for the Planet's sake even if it ultimately hurts him irreparably. Because otherwise he'd either get smashed in Sector 7 or never rejoin AVALANCHE because it's "not his problem."

I don't follow. How does her intervening in Cloud's life hurt him irreparably? Why would Cloud have been smashed in Sector 7? Are you saying he wanted to live just to save Aeris afterwards? As for the other thing regarding him not rejoining Avalanche...are you referring to Aeris just "changing" him a bit from the awkward and distant self he is at the beginning? I'm not sure I would give her all the credit for that, but she does do the most of any character (especially in the original) to pretty much chip away at his cold exterior.

And the remake embellished Sector 5 as her community, so she has a good way to ignore everything and just pretend to be normal.

Yeah, I wanted to make a similar point about this but didn't know how to put it. I would further add that that make it seem she wants to enjoy life as much as possible and also wants to be with others. I liked her a lot in the remake (well besides her seeming to know the plot pretty much). It's jarring yet satisfying to see a sweet feminine character with a serene inner strength as opposed to all the boring "bad ass"/domineering women characters we've been overwhelmed with for so long.

 

[Radical Cadre]

FF8 fandom seems to just be about Squall and Rinoa, and whether you like "them", and tolerance for time travel as window dressing. So it makes sense. But ff7 critically has two love interests, who are important at different times. Both to the plot and to our MC. And never had time travel. So it's such a bad fit and crowds out what was actually going on.

I am a-okay with this.

She likes trains, guys. Do you need to know anything more?