The Last of Us Franchise - Because it's apparently a franchise now. This thread has been double-DMCA’d by Sony Interactive Entertainment.

[No Shot Bucko]

Meanwhile at twitter:

Spoiler: Interesting

edit:

Spoiler: artist comment on TLOU2

Sauce just because i always credit the artist with a source link =)

OkiOppai on Twitter

“The new Last of us looks... Interesting...”

twitter.com

 

[Dom Cruise]

Or disappointing. The Alien franchise film by Jeunet was not exactly satisfying.

I'm still shocked that guy never had a bigger career (at least in Hollywood) considering how amazing The City of Lost Children is.

I love Alien 3 and I think that even if you disagree with killing off Ripley, that she died a meaningful and heroic death. Completely unlike Luke in Last Jedi or Joel in this game.

The trouble wasn't killing off Ripley, it was how they killed off Hicks and Newt.

One thing that sucks about Alien 3 that people don't talk about though is just how ugly a movie it is, because of them blowing through most of their budget in pre-production almost the entire movie is just filmed at a dilapidated old factory in England, there's almost none of the cool sci fi shit of the first two movies, it's just unpleasant to look at.

Compare 3 to the amazing sets of the first movie for example.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

No one's saying unrealistic standards set by games aren't harmful to men.

Maybe they should say that, because the concept of "unrealistic standards" as a bad thing is stupid.

It's just unhappy people projecting their own sense of inadequacy onto fictional characters. But making fictional characters uglier, weaker and less confident won't help anybody. Nobody's life is going to be improved by seeing Superman portrayed as some skinny nerd with pizza acne or Catwoman as some morbidly fat bitch zipping around Walmart with a big bag of kitty litter on her reinforced mobility scooter.

Unrealistic standards are good. It's normal to want the hero to be a ruggedly masculine devil-may-care badass who fights dragons or orcs or whatever. It's normal to want heroines to be slim, beautiful and pure-hearted women with big tits. Not every story needs to be like this, but the basic formula has been popular since the invention of writing.

Why?

Because normal humans want entertaining escapism and we want our heroic archetypes to model the best of us. The Anglo-Saxons didn't write Beowulf as a kind of dark ages superhero because they were trying to discourage young men. They were trying to encourage them to heroism.

The Vikings didn't make Freya the goddess of beauty in order to oppress withered crones with no teeth. They were modeling what idealized fertility looks like.

Boldness is good for young men, and beauty is good for young women, because we're a tribe of mammals who arrive naked and helpless into this indifferent world and survive and create the future by fighting and fucking.

If feminists are unhappy about that, well... whose fault is that? I've never known a happy feminist, so either the global patriarchy is doing an amazing job of sabotaging the emotional health of some of the most privileged human beings who have ever lived, or they're just losers.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

To be fair, I thought the thematic progression of the series was Joel in the first game, divided between Ellie/Joel in the second.

Joel dies and Ellie ends up becoming the protector of a little boy in the third...

That seemed to be symmetrical...

That's actually not a bad trade-off idea for a sequel, not only is it thematic but it also keeps with the strong, independent woman angle while giving it a story driven purpose rather than just a marketing one.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Stop making Abby look like Jules

He a good NPC he didn't do anything to deserve this.

 

[Dang Woodchucks!]

I wouldn't mind that silver fox caving my head in with a golf club but I'm an actual degenerate fuck.

I'm still going to buy this and play it because I want to see the autism for myself. I'm less upset by the leaks, which have pretty much shown me that I'm going to hate playing this, than I am at the utter exceptionalism of Cuckman and Sony blasting bad faith DMCA's across the entire internets and trying to silence the discussion. I'd feel more receptive to the idea of them being like 'hey I know the leaks make this look bad but give it a chance anyway' message if they weren't sperging out like fucking OPL and demanding that everyone gets that off the internet now now now.

Could this still work as a story? Probably not but I'd be a lot more willing to believe they had faith in it doing so if they wouldn't have kept the PGA tranny out of all media for the game.

I'll play it and review it but that's because I was going to do that already, I now can shit all over ND and Sony for being tryly exceptional even before the damn game launches though. Thanks for giving me like three paragraphs of material to write before I even install the game you fucking idiots.

I hope you're buying it used and on a discount, then.

Maybe they should say that, because the concept of "unrealistic standards" as a bad thing is stupid.

It's just unhappy people projecting their own sense of inadequacy onto fictional characters. But making fictional characters uglier, weaker and less confident won't help anybody. Nobody's life is going to be improved by seeing Superman portrayed as some skinny nerd with pizza acne or Catwoman as some morbidly fat bitch zipping around Walmart with a big bag of kitty litter on her reinforced mobility scooter.

Unrealistic standards are good. It's normal to want the hero to be a ruggedly masculine devil-may-care badass who fights dragons or orcs or whatever. It's normal to want heroines to be slim, beautiful and pure-hearted women with big tits. Not every story needs to be like this, but the basic formula has been popular since the invention of writing.

Why?

Because normal humans want entertaining escapism and we want our heroic archetypes to model the best of us. The Anglo-Saxons didn't write Beowulf as a kind of dark ages superhero because they were trying to discourage young men. They were trying to encourage them to heroism.

The Vikings didn't make Freya the goddess of beauty in order to oppress withered crones with no teeth. They were modeling what idealized fertility looks like.

Boldness is good for young men, and beauty is good for young women, because we're a tribe of mammals who arrive naked and helpless into this indifferent world and survive and create the future by fighting and fucking.

If feminists are unhappy about that, well... whose fault is that? I've never known a happy feminist, so either the global patriarchy is doing an amazing job of sabotaging the emotional health of some of the most privileged human beings who have ever lived, or they're just losers.

I don't think any mythology ever went cutting it's own balls off . The point of having paragons is having an ideal to aspire to. I always use Hercules as my go-to; He's not perfect, but look at his list of accomplishments, and tell me there isn't a single one that says "Maybe i can't skin a god-lion, or fuck a platoon of amazons and get them all pregnant in 24 hours, but I will do the damn closest thing to it!!"

 

[Reverend]

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Great fucking post. It brings to mind the argument of why some enjoy nihilistic things. See my Fucked Up Books thread for example. And there is a shit load of reasons: bravery, reaffirming the "nothing", curiosity, etc. Making a game out of suffering is an interesting premise. And not in the sense of it being too difficult because that's something different that hits upon being challenged more than anything.

But I think there is such a thing as mindful nihilism and not. Essentially; have a point. Have something unique to say. I.E. Ingmar Bergman versus Rian Johnson. On that note: a Star Wars film shot by Bergman would have been interesting.

As was posted up thread:

Hellblade: setsuna's sacrfice has all the hallmarks of a game that you play as a literal insane person, in hell, fighting for the soul of your dead husband while voices tell you that you are worthless, you will fail, nothing good will come from this, turn around, the fuck is wrong with you, etc. etc. etc.

This game should not sell at all because of ModernDay Politics. It won fucking awards hand over fist like a deathfat noticing a Hot Pocket cause the story made the insanity relatable, understandable, and you could empathize with the protagonist.

Playing a Transexual is an interesting concept if written correctly. The loathing from society, the self hate, the reason they were born "Wrong", the need to prove the world that your Transition Is Right.

TLOUS2 is not telling that story in a way that people can identify, understand, and empathize with the main character. Hence, it will sell but normies are going to go "Meh, this was weird".

 

[Dom Cruise]

Maybe they should say that, because the concept of "unrealistic standards" as a bad thing is stupid.

It's just unhappy people projecting their own sense of inadequacy onto fictional characters. But making fictional characters uglier, weaker and less confident won't help anybody. Nobody's life is going to be improved by seeing Superman portrayed as some skinny nerd with pizza acne or Catwoman as some morbidly fat bitch zipping around Walmart with a big bag of kitty litter on her reinforced mobility scooter.

Unrealistic standards are good. It's normal to want the hero to be a ruggedly masculine devil-may-care badass who fights dragons or orcs or whatever. It's normal to want heroines to be slim, beautiful and pure-hearted women with big tits. Not every story needs to be like this, but the basic formula has been popular since the invention of writing.

Why?

Because normal humans want entertaining escapism and we want our heroic archetypes to model the best of us. The Anglo-Saxons didn't write Beowulf as a kind of dark ages superhero because they were trying to discourage young men. They were trying to encourage them to heroism.

The Vikings didn't make Freya the goddess of beauty in order to oppress withered crones with no teeth. They were modeling what idealized fertility looks like.

Boldness is good for young men, and beauty is good for young women, because we're a tribe of mammals who arrive naked and helpless into this indifferent world and survive and create the future by fighting and fucking.

If feminists are unhappy about that, well... whose fault is that? I've never known a happy feminist, so either the global patriarchy is doing an amazing job of sabotaging the emotional health of some of the most privileged human beings who have ever lived, or they're just losers.

They're just losers that don't understand that living vicariously through idealized fantasy escapism is supposed to be make you happy, if it makes you unhappy you're simply looking at it the wrong way.

It's just insane to me that there's so many people that don't understand the point of fantasy.

 

[KiwiJoe]

Can someone expain the "million dollar church thing" to me? Apparently Druckmann used Sony's money to make an expensive fake church for a live event and that eventually caused Sony to drop out of doing live events.

What is a live event anyways? Is that like in E3 or something? I have hard time looking it up online. I wonder what it looks like.

 

[Boobie Bomb]

You gotta love it when even they have to mention that they can't mention the leaks due to Naughty Dog doing copy strikes online so, for now, they are lucky.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Can someone expain the "million dollar church thing" to me? Apparently Druckmann used Sony's money to make an expensive fake church for a live event and that eventually caused Sony to drop out of doing live events.

What is a live event anyways? Is that like in E3 or something? I have hard time looking it up online. I wonder what it looks like.

e3 2018, Druckman made sony build a fake Church.

It was their last and most expensive live event ever. The Church is from the reveal trailer.

 

[Foolish Samurai Warrior]

Apparently Sony is taking down images of Senator Armstrong Abby and claiming ownership of the good ol' Senator.

 

[ChucklesTheJester]

Apparently Sony is taking down images of Senator Armstrong Abby and claiming ownership of the good ol' Senator.

So in otherwords something that would just piss off armstrong.

" FUCK THE LIMP DICK LAWYERS!"

 

[KiwiJoe]

e3 2018, Druckman made sony build a fake Church.

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It was their last and most expensive live event ever. The Church is from the reveal trailer.

What's so post-apocalyptic about this? Looks like something from Life is Strange!

 

[Marissa Moira]

What's so post-apocalyptic about this? Looks like something from Life is Strange!

Oh I'm sorry i should have put it in further context, they had a banjo player precede all of this, at Druckman's request of course.

 

[Reverend]

e3 2018, Druckman made sony build a fake Church.

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It was their last and most expensive live event ever. The Church is from the reveal trailer.

They stole the set from Carnivale?

 

[Marissa Moira]

They stole the set from Carnivale?

Those freaks weren't getting any more work on TV so they used their likenesses for game characters.

The set came at a discount if you bought the Gnome lady.

 

[BrunoMattei]

Hicks I could MAYBE understand but Newt's death served no purpose other than the fact that the kid didn't want to come back. Newt was the reason why Ripley went back and fought the Alien Queen, and a reason for her to move on with trauma after losing all her loved ones and connections following the events of the first film. Killing Newt off added nothing and made it hard for me to give a shit without an emotional core for Ripley's character.

Ripley at least died in a badass way though. No qualms about that.

I missed this post. Not trying to make this an Alien 3 thread but it's that kind of movie that hijacks a thread but in a good way. At least I think so.

I've heard the argument that Newt's death in Alien 3 invalidates Ripley saving her in Aliens. I disagree, Ripley spared Newt a horrifying and agonizing death in favor of a more calm one. Of course, we don't know if she was conscious or not during her drowning. That's something the Alien nerds would know of regarding hypersleep technology.

That was the whole point of Ripley's character, she's empty now. What meaning does she have left? And ironically, for better and worse, the Alien gave her the will to keep going. In order to finally kill it and save the galaxy (we're just going to ignore Resurrection).

One thing that sucks about Alien 3 that people don't talk about though is just how ugly a movie it is, because of them blowing through most of their budget in pre-production almost the entire movie is just filmed at a dilapidated old factory in England, there's almost none of the cool sci fi shit of the first two movies, it's just unpleasant to look at.

Compare 3 to the amazing sets of the first movie for example.

That was the kind of the point. A dark grim horror film has to look the part. You can level that complaint at Fincher's Se7en.

 

[Dom Cruise]

e3 2018, Druckman made sony build a fake Church.

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It was their last and most expensive live event ever. The Church is from the reveal trailer.

I love the symbolism with this, perfectly capturing how SJWism is a literal cult.

I missed this post. Not trying to make this an Alien 3 thread but it's that kind of movie that hijacks a thread but in a good way. At least I think so.

I've heard the argument that Newt's death in Alien 3 invalidates Ripley saving her in Aliens. I disagree, Ripley spared Newt a horrifying and agonizing death in favor of a more calm one. Of course, we don't know if she was conscious or not during her drowning. That's something the Alien nerds would know of regarding hypersleep technology.

That was the whole point of Ripley's character, she's empty now. What meaning does she have left? And ironically, for better and worse, the Alien gave her the will to keep going. In order to finally kill it and save the galaxy (we're just going to ignore Resurrection).



That was the kind of the point. A dark grim horror film has to look the part. You can level that complaint at Fincher's Se7en.

Except it makes no sense for what's supposed to be a science fiction film set on another planet, Se7en is at least set in present day.

 

[Shield Breaker]

When did Dennis Miller sell his schtick to an asshole who wears sunglasses indoors?

Honestly, I've always thought of him as Bizarro Spoony.

I missed this post. Not trying to make this an Alien 3 thread but it's that kind of movie that hijacks a thread but in a good way. At least I think so.

I've heard the argument that Newt's death in Alien 3 invalidates Ripley saving her in Aliens. I disagree, Ripley spared Newt a horrifying and agonizing death in favor of a more calm one. Of course, we don't know if she was conscious or not during her drowning. That's something the Alien nerds would know of regarding hypersleep technology.

Fuck that noise. Aliens is basically a story of losing a child and getting another chance to be a mother. It's just dressed up in spooky aliens and guns. 3 completely invalidates it.