The Last of Us Franchise - Because it's apparently a franchise now. This thread has been double-DMCA’d by Sony Interactive Entertainment.

I honestly couldn't tell you for sure if it'll sell on brand recognition/new orders or not because this is legitimately the first time that something on this scale has happened, especially for such a world-renowned IP like The Last of Us.
I dunno, there have been other instances when famous franchises completely fucked up from start to finish like ME3 or DmC. ME3 pretty much turned Bioware into a joke overnight and nobody wanted to even touch Ninja Theory until MS acquired them. How many copies TLOU Part 2 might sell is up in the air, but Naughty Dog's future doesn't look good unless they drop that fuck Druckmann.
 
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Data point of one, I never saw Walker's actions in SpecOps as my own, even if that was the developer's intent. I saw it as the player getting railroaded into it by a heavily-armed crazy person I happened to be playing as, much as his men were in-game. He's clearly an unreliable narrator, as evidenced by his multiple hallucinations and ever-increasing psychosis, so the argument that I am somehow responsible for Walker's actions rings hollow.

As a character-piece, SpecOps is legitimately fascinating. As a game, it's all right. As a deconstruction, it can fuck right off.
My problem with Spec Ops is that it treats playing modern military shooters as the moral equivalent to raping babies in front of their terrified mothers. Yeah, many people play video games so they can roleplay as larger-than-life action heroes who save the day. There is nothing immoral about that.
 
These are all great ideas, and I'm glad @Ponderous Pillock will make something out of them, but I don't think that "fun" will translate to something people want unless you make something truly special with it.

You can have a carefully researched war game that takes into account everything from turret rotation speed to the average accuracy of a soldier during the time period, but people are going to ignore that and play Warhammer 40k instead because land raiders are cool.

People want the unrealism of the Mad Max setting. Endless deserts, cities reclaimed by nature, modified cars, raiders wearing random junk as armour. It's all part of the appeal, along with this idea that when the chips are down, you'll make the smart and moral choices. Zombie apocalypse stories often have a similar fantasy element.


Probably, but I'm still expecting this to be like the Tomb Raider reboot, where it will sell millions, but still fall short of expectations. Depending on how much money Sony sunk into it, it might even fail to make it's money back.

We won't hear about it if it's failure. Sony is going to try and spin this as a success, and we'll only hear how much of a failure it was in an earning call or leaked memo. I'm not 100% sure about this, but I think EA was trying claim Mass Effect Andromeda was a success right up until boxes of unsold copies started turning up in Goodwill.
You won't even hear about it in any "leaked" memos judging by how much worms like Jason Schreier are dickriding and shielding Sony.
 
We won't hear about it if it's failure. Sony is going to try and spin this as a success, and we'll only hear how much of a failure it was in an earning call or leaked memo. I'm not 100% sure about this, but I think EA was trying claim Mass Effect Andromeda was a success right up until boxes of unsold copies started turning up in Goodwill.

I'm reminded of an incident where Louis Walsh, the manager of the insufferable boy band Boyzone and later the insufferable boy band Westlife, took his clients out to the boot of his car after they refused to bend the knee to him and said, "You want to see your fucking sales? There's your fucking sales." Inside the boot was a giant mess of Boyzone CDs that he'd arranged to be bought to massage them up the charts. What's the betting that Naughty Dog and/or Sony has forced its employees to buy copies of the game. After all, we all know the corporate maxim - act as if.
 
Best case scenario Naughty Dogs go back to making Jak and Daxter. But that won't happen.
You don't want that. You really really don't. Their previous attempt at making another Jak and Daxter before The Last of Us just would've been over-the-shoulder third-person garbage, with a heavy focus on realism. And if you think these games are boring and awful, then you do not want to see the old concept art for "Jak Z". Trust me: I thought I did once too.
I dunno, there have been other instances when famous franchises completely fucked up from start to finish like ME3 or DmC. ME3 pretty much turned Bioware into a joke overnight and nobody wanted to even touch Ninja Theory until MS acquired them. How many copies TLOU Part 2 might sell, Naughty Dog's future doesn't look good unless they drop Druckmann.
They both fucked up from beginning to end sure, but at least ME3 got one last attempt at continuing with ME:A and it was a case of the game just being shit and underselling; they never really racked up the marketing bill too too high. As for DmC, at least the game did somewhat improve over the years, Ninja Theory's still kicking with Hellblade, Hellblade II, and whatever Project: Mara is going to end up being, and in the end we still ended up getting Devil May Cry V from Capcom because of it: a much better return to form for the series.

The Last of Us is the only real franchise Naughty Dog's got after they lost Crash, burned the Jak series asunder through their arthouse bullshit and third-party collaborations, and ended the Uncharted series on a wet girl-power-induced fart of a side-game, and they've had Sony do a lot, and I mean a lot of superfluous and expensive bullshit for them that DmC and ME3 didn't have nor need.
 
And if you think these games are boring and awful, then you do not want to see the old concept art for "Jak Z".
Checked it out for myself. I wish i didn't.
This sudden change is like when Blizz decided to leave the cartoony but charming style units had in Warcraft 3 and turn it into the horrors that now are in Warcraft reforged. Realistic, but ugly as all sins together.
 
Naughty Dog's general attitude of "LOL Crash and J&D? Those are FUN, we're above those goofy games now" has me not even wanting to them anywhere near Jak & Daxter. They're a studio hiring writers now that couldn't make it in Hollywood. I didn't even like Hennig, she sucked with Uncharted 3 and I'm still waiting for someone to justify the ending of TLOU that don't just resort to spamming the "autistic" reaction.

Naughty Dog has been garbage for a long time, and they declined steadily after the original J&D. Jak 2 is a frustratingly stupid game while Jak 3 was only a slight improvement. Sony and ND are a terrible pairing and everything wrong with the industry today.
 
Naughty Dog's general attitude of "LOL Crash and J&D? Those are FUN, we're above those goofy games now" has me not even wanting to them anywhere near Jak & Daxter. They're a studio hiring writers now that couldn't make it in Hollywood. I didn't even like Hennig, she sucked with Uncharted 3 and I'm still waiting for someone to justify the ending of TLOU that don't just resort to spamming the "autistic" reaction.
And BOY did that bite them in the ass once platformers made a massive resurgence. Even their one massive claim to fame got a remake, and it wasn't even done by them.

But hey: at least you could play PS1 Crash in Uncharted 4 for 10 seconds while Drake sounds like the biggest boomer on the planet.
 
I'm reminded of an incident where Louis Walsh, the manager of the insufferable boy band Boyzone and later the insufferable boy band Westlife, took his clients out to the boot of his car after they refused to bend the knee to him and said, "You want to see your fucking sales? There's your fucking sales." Inside the boot was a giant mess of Boyzone CDs that he'd arranged to be bought to massage them up the charts. What's the betting that Naughty Dog and/or Sony has forced its employees to buy copies of the game. After all, we all know the corporate maxim - act as if.
I doubt Sony would do that simply because it wouldn't work. At risk of bringing up the console war shit again, one thing that not many people realize is that many games don't have to sell much to be successful.

I've heard various figures numbers for what it takes to be a New York Times best selling book, but the high end is about 10,000. Books like Harry Potter sell more than that, but such hits are rare. If we assume a trade price of $5 a book (cover price $10), you can buy your way to the top of the best seller list for the price of BMW, possibly less. In fact, there was someone who did exactly that as part of an elaborate scam to get a film studio to fund their self insert film.

When it comes to games, it's not unusual for some niche weeb titty RPG to be considered a success after 10,000 sales, but for AAA, they expect 3-5 million sales. 500 sales worldwide is going to be a drop in the bucket.
 
It's a combination of that and having a massive, MASSIVE - I'm talking like the size of the Grand Canyon - hard on for Square Enix. Why do you think his profile picture is 2B from Nier Automata? For sarcasm, irony, or any sorta joke? Nope. It's similar to me with Homestuck and using Andrew Hussie as my profile picture, but the only difference is I keep that shit contained in the WhatPumpkin thread and don't constantly sperg out against anyone who calls Homestuck shit and defend them until the day I die.
You're misreading stuff, It's not specifically Square-Enix, it's JRPGs in general.

Square just released both Final Fantasy 7 R and Trials of Mana this month both of which are very good. NISA has a few games like Utawererumono: Prelude to the Fallen coming next month and much later Trails of Azure. XSeed is floundering and it's looking like the end is near. and Atlus has nothing major coming until probably September(that persona Muso isn't being developed by them inhouse and it looks as bad as the Fate ones).

What I had issue with was that there was somehow some weeb exodus that took place and platforms changed, which didn't happen. That's just wishful thinking.

That and I have a Switch, but it's JRPG offerings are meager compared to what else is out there. that and numerous times series just don't do well with the Nintendo core audience. It's happened quite a few times outside of Dragon Quest. They just don't latch on, they're like the Disney fandom or that cheesey potatoes lady from TLC they just want safe and familiar things.

It should be more humiliating that when Vicarious Visions asked for the original code, ND told them they didn't had it so they had to do the remakes from scratch.
It's the reason why Crash 1 has weird controls, he's got a modern hitbox that's pill shaped instead of a square like the original.
 
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You're misreading stuff, It's not specifically Square-Enix, it's JRPGs in general.

Square just released both Final Fantasy 7 R and Trials of Mana this month both of which are very good. NISA has a few games like Utawererumono: Prelude to the Fallen coming next month and much later Trails of Azure. XSeed is floundering and it's looking like the end is near. and Atlus has nothing major coming until probably September(that persona Muso isn't being developed by them inhouse and it looks as bad as the Fate ones).

What I had issue with was that there was somehow some weeb exodus that took place and platforms changed, which didn't happen. That's just wishful thinking.

That and I have a Switch, but it's JRPG offerings are meager compared to what else is out there.
Like. Fucking. Clockwork.

I'll probably get MATI for this but seriously: can you please get your console JRPG hate-boner bullshit out of this thread, please. Any other thread I wouldn't give too much of a shit but nobody cares about how you believe or don't believe about weeb exoduses from consoles with JRPGs and Squeenix in a fucking Last of Us thread talking about Sony and Naughty Dog. It's getting tiresome clicking back and seeing these pages of unrelated diatribes about how Sony has better offerings, and how Nintendo and MS are floudering, and blah blah blah on and on; take it to DMs if you need to, but none of this is even remotely relevant here. It's getting old.
 
It's the reason why Crash 1 has weird controls, he's got a modern hitbox that's pill shaped instead of a square like the original.
Not only that, which got a crapload of people to complain, but also the fact that Crash falls faster than in the originals, therefore making him jump a shorter distance. There were also some other small complaints here and there, but i don't remember them all. Most people focused on the platform hitbox and the short jumping distance.
 
Not only that, which got a crapload of people to complain, but also the fact that Crash falls faster than in the originals, therefore making him jump a shorter distance. There were also some other small complaints here and there, but i don't remember them all. Most people focused on the platform hitbox and the short jumping distance.
You can retroactively get Crash 3 moves in the other HD games through a few exploits if needed. People are unsure if it's an official work around or a genuine exploit. But apparently even the Dev team had a hard time with Crash 1 and playing it to 100% completion which is why the gold time is for the trophies. The crash 3 moves do help him sustain momentum with specific jumps.
 
You guys have got to grow a thicker skin about Spec Ops. It wasn't calling you a bad person for playing, it was pointing out that the sort of thing the genre glamorises and glorifies would be really fucked up in real life.

Looking back now it seems a really trite message, but at the time it was going up against a ton of stuff that played it completely straight.
 
This wouldn't have been Christopher Paolini with Eragon would it?
If there's other incidents like that, I would love to hear them because Eragon is also the only one I know as well.

I'm aware of the graveyard of failures that attempted such a move like one of the Archie Sonic comic writers Ken penders who wrote an elaborate backstory for Knuckles' entire fucking family. Only for his official PC Donut steels to be thrown in the trash and once he was 'free" all he did was write fanfiction about his female self insert making love to a Barack Obama stand in. Very riveting stuff.
 
This wouldn't have been Christopher Paolini with Eragon would it?
No. I was thinking of "Handbook for Mortals"

From Wikipedia
In August 2017, a young adult fiction book, Handbook for Mortals by previously unpublished author Lani Sarem was removed from the list, where it was in initially in the #1 spot. According to a statement issued by the Times, "after investigating the inconsistencies in the most recent reporting cycle, we decided that the sales for Handbook for Mortals did not meet our criteria for inclusion. We've issued an updated 'Young Adult Hardcover' list for September 3, 2017 which does not include that title." It was uncovered, by author Phil Stamper, that there had been unusual bulk ordering patterns which inflated the number of sales. The book is published by GeekNation, an entertainment website based in Los Angeles. The book was originally written as a script, and was rewritten as a novel in an attempt to launch a film franchise.


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You guys have got to grow a thicker skin about Spec Ops. It wasn't calling you a bad person for playing, it was pointing out that the sort of thing the genre glamorises and glorifies would be really fucked up in real life.

Looking back now it seems a really trite message, but at the time it was going up against a ton of stuff that played it completely straight.
It was cringy back at the time as well.
 
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