Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

I feel that the prequels would have been better if they explained why the Trade Federation blockaded Naboo. The EU explains that the blockade was in response to legislation that Palpatine created that was intended to curb the power of the Trade Federation.

A line from Palpatine like: “I knew that as soon as my legislation to reduce the influence of the Trade Federation in the Republic passed, they would punish me in some way. But I never expected them to flout the principles of the Republic and hold my homeworld’s people hostage.” would clear up why the Trade Federation did what they did, show the weakness of the Republic, and highlight how Palpatine was manipulating everyone.
Imo while that line is fine its redundant due to the opening crawl. Even as a kid watching the movie it was understood the TF was greedy and doing it for money. It was the inciting incident to start this particular story. Palpatine was my favorite villian for a long time due to knowing he was manipulating events from the get go. No EU books needed.

It failed in too many ways to explain. For one the characters are completely without character at all, they're just bland boring people with no personality. Compared to the original trilogy where each character shined in different ways and had amazing chemistry between each other. The story makes absolutely no sense because it wasn't explained. There's no explanation of why the Trade Federation is doing what they're doing and why they're working with Palpatine in the first place. Having no motivation for actions are a great way to make people not care about the characters. The actors are completely fucking boring, no chemistry between anyone and the lines are delivered so horribly and monotone throughout the films. There is no protagonist, once again. You can't point to a single character and call them the focal point of the film, like you can in 99.9% of films. A movie doesn't need to have a protagonist, but that's a far cry from saying George actually intended this to be the case. I just think he's bad at his job. Padme's and Anakin's romance is the most forced romance in the history of movies. Anakin's descent into the dark side is horribly done and rushed. Anakin and Obi-wan's relationship is never shown at all.
All of what you said is almost verbatim Plinkett review issues. That doesn't mean I'm dismissing them outright but it does make me wonder when the last time you watched the prequels for yourself as just watching them disproves a lot of what you said.

To not derail the thread, you can pm me and I'll break down why I disagree with every point except for the romance. Natalie Portman needed a different style of direction and I think the backlash she received soured her over time from giving a decent performance but she's the only one I think what you said applies to.

George Lucas isn't perfect nor above reproach but which do you think is more likely: the man responsible for what was the most beloved, universal movie franchise ever who is still respected amung his peers, who people go to for advice for non star wars related films didn't know what he was doing or what he was doing has been criticized because it isn't what some fans wanted him to do?
 
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I feel that the prequels would have been better if they explained why the Trade Federation blockaded Naboo. The EU explains that the blockade was in response to legislation that Palpatine created that was intended to curb the power of the Trade Federation.

A line from Palpatine like: “I knew that as soon as my legislation to reduce the influence of the Trade Federation in the Republic passed, they would punish me in some way. But I never expected them to flout the principles of the Republic and hold my homeworld’s people hostage.” would clear up why the Trade Federation did what they did, show the weakness of the Republic, and highlight how Palpatine was manipulating everyone.

A less-weepy, less sand-hating AotC should have been Episode 1. Something more pivotal (and maybe sith-related) should have been Ep. 2. An Episode 3 with a bit more of Anakin losing himself to his darker emotions would have closed out a solid trilogy.

TPM should have been a Book/Comic/TV mini-series - something that would have given Lucas the space needed to tell a complex story of political intrigue. Maybe Maul gets away in the TPM setting us up for some totally awesome revenge and showing Anakin slipping to the darkside.
 
I think The Phantom Menace overall works better as a Star Wars History lesson than a Star Wars Movie proper...which is fine for mouthbreathing lore spergs like myself, but not the general audience. I think the Clone Wars should have had greater focus across all three movies, and evidently Lucas did as well...ROTS ended with him realizing that he'd bottled too much into the final movie, and produced TCW in order to compensate. Now, if you only stick to the movies, this is a massive hindrance that the Prequel Trilogy will never be able to shake off.

But my consumption of Star Wars has always been non-film stuff first, movies second, so I'm cool with it. The Clone Wars Multimedia project and ensuing TCW Arcs (at least the ones I thought were good) more than made up for the deficiencies of the films.

Speaking of non-film stuff, I've just finished reading LOTF Bloodlines, so expect a megapost about my feelings on it in a bit.
 
I think The Phantom Menace overall works better as a Star Wars History lesson than a Star Wars Movie proper...which is fine for mouthbreathing lore spergs like myself, but not the general audience. I think the Clone Wars should have had greater focus across all three movies, and evidently Lucas did as well...ROTS ended with him realizing that he'd bottled too much into the final movie, and produced TCW in order to compensate. Now, if you only stick to the movies, this is a massive hindrance that the Prequel Trilogy will never be able to shake off.

I'm not a huge lore sperg, but I would have liked to have seen a mini-series of TPM; as a movie the pace was far too inconsistent, with either not enough or too much happening.
 
George Lucas isn't perfect nor above reproach but which do you think is more likely: the man responsible for what was the most beloved, universal movie franchise ever who is still respected amung his peers, who people go to for advice for non star wars related films didn't know what he was doing or what he was doing has been criticized because it isn't what some fans wanted him to do?

George Lucas made Howard the Duck.
George Lucas made Radioland Murders.
George Lucas made Willow.
George Lucas made Red Tails.
George Lucas made Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull.
 
George Lucas made Howard the Duck.
George Lucas made Radioland Murders.
George Lucas made Willow.
George Lucas made Red Tails.
George Lucas made Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull.
George Lucas made THX1138
George Lucas made American Graffiti
George Lucas made Indiana Jones and Raiders of the Lost Ark, Temple of Doom, The Last Crusade
George Lucas made Labyrinth
George Lucas made The Land Before Time

I like Redtails anyway
 
George Lucas made THX1138
George Lucas made American Graffiti
George Lucas made Indiana Jones and Raiders of the Lost Ark, Temple of Doom, The Last Crusade
George Lucas made Labyrinth
George Lucas made The Land Before Time

I like Redtails anyway
Well, he didn't MAKE Labyrinth, per se, but he lent his company's resources to Jim Hensen to make it possible. Lucas also saved a lot of troubled productions simply because he believed in their potential, like Return To Oz. He'll always have my respect for that, because that film was a gem of my childhood.
 
Well, he didn't MAKE Labyrinth, per se, but he lent his company's resources to Jim Hensen to make it possible. Lucas also saved a lot of troubled productions simply because he believed in their potential, like Return To Oz. He'll always have my respect for that, because that film was a gem of my childhood.
He made Labyrinth as much as he made Howard the Duck.

Jerry Hopper made Indiana Jones in 1954 when it starred Charlton Heston and was titled Secret of the Incas.

Just like Howard Hawkes made Scarface in 1933 starring Paul Muni. Hate to burst your bubble but Hollywood history is full of remakes.
 
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Um bitches be forgetting The Hidden Fortress lol. George made it back when he was masquerading as a Japanese man named Akira Kurosawa.

Hayden and Ahmed seem much more happier in regards to the franchise. I'm curious about Ewan and Natalie though? Natalie makes fun of it on SNL but I've always wondered if she (and by extension Kiera Knightley and Rose Byrne) genuinely enjoyed their roles. Amidala's deep voice synthesizer was definitely a weird choice tho.
 
While Lucas's recent movie making abilities are...questionable to say the least, the man was a fucking amazing producer who knew exactly which studios and directors to back for the sake of creative freedom and displaying genuine talent. It helped that he was basically a billionaire who didn't need to care that much about money, but he at least used that money to better the medium he clearly loved.
 
I dunno, that quote of his sounds more like he's the kind of purist that doesn't understand how somebody like Geievous (or Thrawn, or Jango, or Boba, or...) could possibly beat or kill a Jedi. He's just a silly normie, after all, and doesn't have access to the all-important Force that lets him do silly tricks and fuck with people's perceptions, it's not like he can fight intelligently or anything. If he were smart, he'd have access to the Force, after all!

Filioni writes villains like idiots because he can't comprehend the idea of a villain fighting intelligently, using quick wits, careful planning, and a bit of luck to overcome a challenging foe like a hero would. Much like his high-vaunted ideal of the Jedi, he underestimates the abilities of those without the Force. In the olden days, we had competent writers who could show precisely how bad of an idea this mindset was, both in and out of setting.
Indeed.

SPACE WHALES!!!!!!
The Chad Whalodons vs the Virgin Hyperspace Farts

Do the same short-bus riding individuals that make this claim remember that Kenobi was shot down by a fucking tank battery at a ten mile distance? That can't be declared a demonstration of skill when he isn't even given a chance to show it, up close against a platoon of Clones.

In fact, when put against a platoon of Clones in the exact situation later in the film, he completely clobbers them.
Whether you favor the idea that Obi-Wan could solo a platoon of (apparently elite, battle-hardened) Clone Troopers or not, that was a scene that should probably have been cut from the final print of the film, since it doesn't make a huge amount of sense in context. Realistically, the Jedi Temple courtyards would be swarming with LAAT/i gunships dropping off ever-increasing reinforcements before Obi-Wan and Yoda could fight their way through the 501st troops standing guard.

True. It's been awhile since I read the 50 fucking books in the NJO arc.
It's never not worth reading through them again. 👍🏻

Karen Traviss - the original cancer that culminated in Kennedy.
I'm not seeing how you'd draw that line. 🤔

She honestly reminds me more of Fucklechuck given here attitudes towards fans
Most of those fans were basically embryonic versions of Dave Filoni as described by @Mooger Meng: self-appointed purists enraged by the idea that mere normies could take on Force-users in a fight and win.
 
I feel like Filoni Wars version of the MagnaGuard should've been a little difficult to fight against I kinda think they get destroyed easily, even Dooku MagnaGuard (yellow one) is more stronger than Grievous MagnaGuard, It like how they almost overpowered Anakin while Grievous guard couldn't and it funny how fans get mad when Grievous guard interfering his duel with Eeth Koth but that only happens one time while Dooku own MagnaGuard interfering against Anakin twice (I think).

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So after much delay, here are my thoughts on the second LOTF Entry, Bloodlines. The reason for this delay has everything to do with the book itself, as I will explain later.

With this being my first brush up against Karen Traviss’ work, I went in with many reservations. She’s arguably the most controversial EU writer after Troy Denning (and possibly Kevin J. Anderson, depending on who you ask). Her insatiable Mando obsession, her moral soapbox tirades against the Jedi, her scalding interactions with critics…hell, the number of heated discussions she’s sparked on this very thread should be a testament to how contested her work is. And although her…penchant for writing Mando characters is definitely front and center, I didn’t hate it as much as I thought I would.

Boba Fett’s characterized the way you’d expect, and I think Traviss did a good job with his dialogue. They feel in-character for him without feeling too excessive or edgy, and it’s easy to picture Temura Morrison saying these kind of lines in that Kiwi voice of his. I also like the prose around his dialogue, where he’ll says something callous and harsh to preserve his uncompromising Mando image, while the prose will detail what actual uncertainties or reservations are running through his mind. His conversation with the Kaminoan scientist in the beginning is a good example of this, especially when closeted feelings about his childhood and his attitude towards the Clone Army are revealed (there was also a moment where he expressed disdain for the Kaminoans using clones to repel the Empire—I couldn’t tell if that was a reference to the Clone Rebellion mission from the OG Battlefront II, but if it is, that’s really cool to get his reaction to that). Some people might object to all these details about Fett distracting from the narrative, but I’m not too bothered by it. If what I’ve researched is correct, in terms of publishing, these portions of the book were the first major updates regarding Boba Fett’s exploits after ROTJ since, what, the Bantam novels and Dark Horse comics in the 90’s? Considering Fett and the Mandalorians play a bigger role than cameos in this story arc, and with more information on Fett’s backstory being available now that AOTC had been released, I’m not surprised that Traviss would commit time to getting the reader up to date on what Fett’s been up to. Having said all that, I would be lying if I said I was at all interested in Boba’s side of the story…which I wasn’t. I like the character fine, but following his doddering exploits in search of “muh cure” and “muh abandoned daughter” did nothing for me, and never matched the emotional weight of what was going on with the rest of the story.

Because if I have any real gripes with the new focus on the Fett and the Mandos, it’s the timing. This really didn’t need to be the first thing to be addressed in the wake of the major events of the previous book. Boba Fett having butt cancer and needing to hunt down Taun We really has fuck all to do with the Corellian Uprising, Lumiya’s return, Jacen’s downfall, or really anything for at least 2/3rds of the book. Even the element of his daughter eying Thrackan-Sal’s contract on the Solo Family boils down to settling her daddy issues with Boba than the overarching plot at hand. And even though it eventually intersects with the main plot way later in the book, by then it feels too unimportant and inconsequential compared to everything else for me to care. Like, what possessed Karen Traviss to think that the best course of action was to take the reader, who is still preoccupied with Jacen Solo’s character drama that Aaron Alliston spent the entire previous book establishing as the basis for this current story arc, and hand-cuff them to an infinitely less relevant plot about Boba Fett and his retarded Punished Snake melodrama? Why this, and more importantly, why now? This all could’ve easily been pushed to Book #3 of this story arc…not the very next thing we read after Jacen decapitates a fellow Jedi Knight and takes his first steps towards Sith teachings. For fuck’s sake. Also, another gripe I had was that prologue of Boba Fett in first person—that shit was cringe to read, and felt like the author getting physical arousal at writing Fett as the most “too-cool-for-you” edgelord in the universe. The prose is so try-hard and reads so much like a Sonic OC bio that I half expected Boba to at one point go: “Psh. Nothing personnel, kid.” Keep in mind, I don’t hate the inclusion of this sub-plot, and enjoyed portions of it—particularly the reunion of Fett and the Solo’s, due to great interactions—but the implementation was laughable. I can certainly see why this a major point of contention for EU fans.

Now, the juiciest part of this book, and what I’m rapidly coming to enjoy the most about LOTF overall, is the family drama. Jacen’s decision to become a Colonel in the Alliance’s Anti-Terror effort does not go ignored…it rattles both Skywalker and Solo families, causing divide as some members side with him and others are horrified by what he’s doing. It all especially works because unlike most Dark Side Turns, he hasn’t leapt to pure evil yet, and is operating legally and pacifistically…but his pragmatic measures create a ton of revulsion in Han, Jaina, and especially Luke, all of which is in-character and written superbly. Some of the scenes with Mara and Luke debating whether or not they want their son being contaminated by Jacen’s influence, along with the arguments staged between Luke and Jacen, felt so real at times that I sometimes completely phased out of caring about the Civil War being waged, and more about the quiet but gut-wrenching scenes unfolding in the Senate Offices and Apartments. Those horrible moments where the characters return to their homes wracked from battle or politics and realize in hollow defeat that they can’t relieve stress by talking it out with their family anymore…because the family rift has forced them to sever contact with each other. The more I read LOTF, the more I realize that this bitter family division might be the core asset of this story arc, the same way the philosophical drama of the Force and the Vong was to NJO.

The more of Jacen’s scenes that I read, the more I feel like this series is going to give NJO a run for its money in terms of pure, heart-wrenching tragedy. NJO allowed for a lot of levity and emotional relief from its more harrowing moments…but LOTF is just constant, wracking sadness, all well-earned and spectacularly written. And if it’s one thing I can credit Traviss for, it’s for writing Jacen’s self-loathing and helpless descent just as well as Alliston, sometimes better. But part of that can be attributed to her not shoe-horning comedy where it doesn’t belong like Alliston, which helped the tonal consistency of the story tremendously.

Scenes like that desperate message that Jacen types for Jaina then deletes, or the sleepless night he spends thinking about his wife and daughter that he can’t see, all tug at the heart strings. You can see that he’s struggling under his uncertainty in the bad decisions he’s making, and doesn’t feel like he can bring his anxieties to anyone. It’s the kind of conflicted helplessness that I hear Disney Drones inexplicably credit the ST for showing in Crylo Ren, despite it barely materializing in the actual films at all. Also, unlike that lip-quivering brat, Jacen is actually shown to be doing everything with the misguided belief that he’s saving everyone—and that for all of his stupid decisions, he still loves his family, and wants them to stay alive. He doesn’t even want to kill Luke like Kylo does (at least, at the stage that I’m reading), if anything, he’s trying to do what his uncle isn’t willing to do, to protect him from his own weaknesses. And probably the most bitter aspect of Jacen’s turn, as the shock and horror of his actions start turning the heads of people in his personal life, is watching him forcefully—but miserably—cut ties with the rest of his family with every act of necessity he takes. The distrust he instills in Luke, the vile resentment he creates in Jaina…and then, the final scene. Those of you who’ve read this book know the one I mean: the one where Jacen returns the Falcon to his parents—who are waiting with full knowledge of what he’s done in a certain interrogation room—and they greet him the same way the heartbroken and horrified parents of a school shooter would. Let me tell you, as someone who watched the Solo Family grow and bond together as early as Young Jedi Knights, this scene was fucking heart-breaking, especially what Han says to his son right before they depart. I would almost compare it to the frigid confrontation between Han and Anakin Solo in Vector Prime after the Serpindal Moon scene, but this scene actually defies nature and is even more of an emotional, sickening gut punch than even that. I know people accuse the “Denningsverse” books as being gore porn, but I disagree. This is outright misery porn. If there’s been a noticeable gap between this post and the one I made on Betrayal, it’s only because this book was a struggle to get through, because I couldn’t make it three chapters without needing to do something, anything else to not sink into a reclusive state of depression.

And I want to be clear about this: this should all be considered mountainous praise. Oh, this book was depressing, but it was a good kind of depressing…the kind where you can’t help but marvel at how well the author is achieving their goal. For however dark or bleak this book got, not a single part of it felt unearned. This wasn’t a bad 90’s anime or Zack Snyder film, not an exercise in navel-gazing angst or forced superficial melodrama. Everything about Jacen’s parts of the story felt measured, understated and psychological…everything I didn’t expect to see again after NJO, or in these relentless quantities. And I know it’s cliché to parrot at this point, but the more of Jacen’s downfall I read, the more I’m flabbergasted that we didn’t get something like this from the ST. How did three random authors—X-Wing writer, a Mando fetishist, and a Gorehound, all with conflicting interests and writing styles—manage to convey a character’s downfall better than a multi-million dollar movie trilogy with infinitely more resources and star power? It’s fucking unbelievable how amateurish these books make the ST look, even with the myriad of problems they have.

The other effective thing this book does is that it firmly establishes the difference between Jacen’s swerve to the Dark Side, and Anakin’s. Rather than do what the ST did with Kylo, clambering fruitlessly at replicating Anakin’s conflict verbatim, this book makes a conscious effort to show Jacen learning about his grandfather’s downfall (even using the Force to explore the bloody memories that ensued in the Coruscant Jedi Temple during the night of Order 66), and definitively saying that he will rise above making the same mistakes his grandfather did…and never compromise his morals or his loved ones, no matter how much of the Dark Side he embraces for the “right reasons”. This is something I definitely appreciate, as this story arc is taking careful measures as to not repeat the events of the films, and even deconstruct them…again, as opposed to the ST, which simply regurgitates the same cycle of events as its preceding trilogy for no narrative gain whatsoever. The other thing that really separates Jacen from Anakin during this phase is that in some ways…he’s actually scarier. There’s a scene in this book where Jacen interrogates a prisoner and accidentally kills her, in front of his apprentice Ben. The thing that makes this scene so unsettling to me is how unnaturally back to normal and caring Jacen goes back to when Ben expresses discomfort at what he sees, saying that the boy can return home to his parents and that this all might be too much for him. He does these cold, calculating things, and still remains in-character and with his master-student bond with Ben intact. There’s no murderous angry shift like you see with Anakin…he’s just the same logical and assertive Jacen he’s grown to be through NJO and Dark Nest, but applying that logic to scary conclusions.

Speaking on the conflict itself, it’s actually taking more shape in this book. The American Civil War parallels are even more apparent in this book, what with Traviss going out of her way to establish the growing tensions and divisions brought about by it…not just between the Coruscanti and the Corellians, but within the Skywalker-Solo families. A lot of Han’s Inner Monologue about his conflicting feelings about his son being involved in the Corellian attack and his daughter siding with the New Republic, how familial ties and political leanings are at odds with each other, is a particular highlight. I want to see more scenes like this and the Dinner Argument from Betrayal, as Civil War media (being a passion of mine) mines some of its greatest storytelling from the narrative drama of families being divided by the war. Also, remember how I said that LOTF continues to cement the idea of the Swarm War being utterly irrelevant? Jacen utters this line about the oncoming Civil War:

“I don’t think the galaxy could endure another war so soon after the Yuuzhan Vong invasion.”

Fucking ouch. The Swarm War was such a minor nothing on the protagonists’ radar that it doesn’t even come up in a conversation about the state of the galaxy. Troy Denning can’t catch a break, the poor fucker.

However, with all this praise directed at the book (and my middling acceptance of the controversial Mando stuff), I have two massive complaints: the first of which is in regards to what I said earlier about Traviss retaining tone where Alliston seemingly could not. As I mentioned in my megapost on Betrayal, Alliston had a teeth-grittingly frequent tendency to insert cringey Whedon-esque jokes where they didn’t belong, hobbling the dramatic tension and immersion of several scenes. Chief among them was a painfully self-aware and fart-huffing “Han Shot First” joke that came out of fucking nowhere, and utterly shattered immersion. For almost the entirety of Bloodlines, Traviss was showing a notable improvement in this aspect, refraining from unbalancing the tone of her book with any needless humor….and then the scene where Boba Fett’s daughter murders Thrackan-Sal before Han Solo can, and Boba makes a comment about Han “needing to learn to shoot first, and I almost threw the fucking book outside of my top-story apartment window. Fucking really? Do we need to shoe-horn this retarded Special Edition joke into EVERY ENTRY in this series? Note to EU authors everywhere: this knuckle-dragging, glue-scarfing, tired-ass meme wasn’t funny in 1997, it wasn’t funny in 2006, and it isn’t funny now. Shoe-horning this joke into dramatic scenes of all things is the literary equivalent of Steve Buschemi hauling two skateboards and asking how his fellow kids are doing, so fucking stop.

My second big complaint is that, yet again, the author has opted to barely use the existing Jedi Characters established in NJO…and this is really starting to make my blood boil. This isn’t even just about Tahiri Veila anymore (although that would be a legitimate starting point of contention, considering she has the most narrative potential to exploit, and the authors seem deterimined to do fuck all with her, which is really getting on my last nerve), the story practically ignores all of the young Jedi Knight characters, for reasons that utterly elude me. Hey, Karen…maybe instead of dedicating half the book to touching yourself to your favorite oily Kiwi Bounty Hunter, consider utilizing some of the existing Jedi Order Members to contribute to the narrative. I mean, for fuck’s sake…you have Jacen Solo join the Galactic Alliance equivalent of the East Berlin Stasi, generating daily controversy on Galactic HoloNews, and getting publicly compared to Darth Vader. You really don’t think some of the other members of the Jedi Order could offer some profound reactions to what’s going on? I mean, get why series regulars like Corran Horn and Kyle Katarn’s reactions were relegated to only a few pages…they’re technically the ‘old guard’ at this point, pushing into their 60’s. But why isn’t Kyp Durron given more to do? What about Tahiri Veila? What about Lowbacca, or Tenel Ka? Hell, Zekk is in this book, but he has barely anything to do or contribute. These are people that Jacen grew up with, his close friends, his companions of the fucking Yuuzhan Vong War. You’d think they would be the first people to react to their best friend wreaking havoc in a black uniform with a secret police SWAT Team on live television. What the fuck is preoccupying them off-page, exactly? Don’t get me wrong, it’s nice that Jaina’s part of the main drama—finally—but having the other Solo Twin react to her brother’s dark descent is kind of a no-brainer, literally the most basic thing I would expect to be addressed in a story arc like this. Whether Traviss or Alliston care or not, it is their obligation to make use of the carry-over characters from NJO…not invent arbitrary one-use Jedi for killing off and boosting Jacen’s arc, or Mando characters to sideline the main plot. I hear a lot of complaints about LOTF regarding its “grimdark tone” and “unbelievable arc for Jacen” and “focus on Mandos”, but this is the only problem with this series that is actively turning me livid, because it is the LAST fucking blunder I would expect from professional authors to struggle with this late in the EU’s lifespan. You have rich and well-developed characters, so for God’s sake make use of them. I’ve been really fucking lenient on this series’ flaws, but I’m about to enter the 1/3rd mark with Tempest, and if they still haven’t fixed this problem, that lenience is going evaporate.

So those are my experiences with Bloodlines, a book I’m relieved to say is, for the most part, as good if not better than Betrayal was. To be honest, I was expecting a lot worse considering the things I’ve heard about this series, and Traviss’ contributions in particular, and the quality of the book left me pleasantly surprised. With the almost unanimously bad things I’ve heard about both this story arc and its follow-up, FOTJ, I’ve spent my reading constantly wary about the moment that the quality supposedly takes a swan-dive, and I still haven’t encountered it yet.

But I’m only two books in, and the next one’s by everyone’s favorite edgelord, Troy Denning, so I better not say anything two definitive. Alema Rar’s in the next book’s Dramatis Personae, so that’s encouraging at least.
 
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