Culture The Hottest Thing a Man Can Do Is Not Be a Dick About Astrology - Hating astrology is a typical straight-guy schtick, but it may be hurting your dating life


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Straight men, the internet has a question for you: Why do you hate astrology so much?

Hannah Ewers was among the first to pose the query in a 2018 Vice article, followed by Leah Thomas writing for Cosmopolitan the next year. The answers they found, based on interviews with real, red-blooded, astrology-hating straight men, are more or less what you might expect, because they’re probably ones you yourself have given: It’s “not real,” it’s girl stuff, or, as one particularly charming 20-something told Ewers, “If you try to bring up that shit with me, I’ll think you’re a mindless bimbo.”

In other words, men feel entitled to belittle and denigrate astrology for the same reason they feel entitled to belittle and denigrate anything else society has coded as “feminine” or otherwise related to women: because the very thread that holds a patriarchal society together is the fundamental — if now largely unspoken — belief that womanhood itself is inherently bad. Thus, anything of or related to women must, by extension, be foolish, frivolous, stupid or simply evil.

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This attitude has inevitably colored modern man’s response to astrology, despite the fact that the gendering of astrology as categorically “feminine” is a relatively recent development in the practice’s two millennia or so of existence. As former straight male astrology skeptic turned straight male astrologer Samuel F. Reynolds noted in a response to Ewer’s piece, women did not enter the field of astrology in any formal way until the 20th century. Even today, he tells InsideHook, leadership in the field remains largely, if surprisingly, male.

“The people who lead in astrology, who write the books, who are the headliners at conferences, they’re still men,” says Reynolds, explaining that the modern gendering of astrology that relegates the practice strictly to the domain of women is, quite simply, “BS.”

That said, I am not particularly interested in investigating why straight men hate astrology — as you may have noticed, I think I have a pretty good idea already — nor am I interested in trying to change your mind. What I am interested in doing, however, is explaining why it might be in your best interest to, at the very least, stop being a dick about it.

Hating astrology is a turnoff

As society increasingly begins to reckon with the forces of toxic masculinity and the adverse effects it has on people of all genders — including straight, cis men — those who openly deride astrology are beginning to find themselves among a class of “alpha-male” types often characterized by less-than-progressive views and a commitment to dated, arguably unsavory notions of hypermasculinity.

As recent reports on the rise of “wokefishing” — in which online daters boast more progressive views than they actually hold — suggests, even those who proudly position themselves toward the right of the political spectrum know that their views might not be helping their dating lives. And while dissing astrology may be a less egregious offense — more akin to expressing antipathy for veganism than, say, raging against a specific minority community — it can still come off as a red flag.

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“It just feels very closed-minded to me when a guy is immediately very dismissive of astrology, even when he plays it off as a ‘joke,’” says Emma, a 25-year-old who considers herself a moderate astrology fan.

For what it’s worth, however, Reynolds is willing to cut astrology haters a little slack if they’ve been burned by astrological malpractice at the hands of amateur enthusiasts.

“I think it’s also important for women to own some things themselves, right? There’s been some abuse of astrology, especially in this popular moment,” he says, citing the possibility that some men may be turned off by the idea because they’ve been spurned by a would-be lover who rejected them on the basis of astrological incompatibility.

In my own experience, however, this particular trauma does not seem to be the case among the vast majority of men who have allied with the war on astrology.

“He doesn’t have to give me his whole birth chart or anything. I’m not grilling him to see if we’re really ‘compatible,’” says Emma. “But when he won’t even entertain it in good fun it just comes off as stubborn and retrograde.” Pun intended, presumably.

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Meanwhile, if astro-intolerance is a red flag, then an affinity or even just a polite acknowledgement of astrology from a man seems to signal the opposite for many prospective partners.

“I think if a guy can acknowledge or appreciate it, it says more about who he is as a person,” says Lena, a 22-year-old who, despite only having a casual interest in astrology herself, sees a man’s response to the subject as potentially reflective of his views on other, more pressing social issues.

“It’s kind of similar to guys who can acknowledge that women still experience sexism,” she continues. “I don’t need a guy to get worked up about it, but when he knows it happens to us, it’s comforting, because at least then I know he is aware of other people besides himself. I feel like acknowledging astrology is similar.”

A tale as old as toxic masculinity

While the leap from astrology to sexism may seem questionable, Reynolds actually sees modern male antipathy for astrology as deeply rooted in patriarchal structures, suggesting a more insidious mindset may underlie casual astro-shaming as well as much darker manifestations of toxic masculinity today.

This link between astrology hating and misogyny is apparent in more overt ways, specifically the mere act of men belittling a woman’s interest in something in the first place. As Reynolds wrote in his response to Ewers’s Vice article, “If he belittles you because you’re into astrology, fuck him. (And I don’t mean literally.) You don’t need to look up his Mercury sign to know he’s a jerk.”

But according to Reynolds, there’s more to it than the obvious red flag of a guy being rude to a woman.

“There’s something that I think is deep in the male psyche that we need to talk about,” he tells InsideHook. “Men associate who they are, as men in relationships, with how they shape and define the other person’s personhood. Their sense of identity is that fragile, and that has really powerful implications — not just in terms of how he’s dealing with you in a particular conversation on the first date about astrology, but in more bizarre and horrendous ways, like why are there more men who do murder-suicides?”

Obviously, not all men who hate astrology are killers, but Reynolds’ argument seeks to highlight the insidious through line that unites seemingly casual displays of sexism and machismo to their horrific extremes — and it doesn’t just begin with the modern masculinity crisis as we know it today.

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Cope harder, tarotcels. :story:
 
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That's actually kinda based ngl
It is not real though. An attractive woman could tell a guy that she likes to murder children and drink their blood. The guy would still get an [erection], slap her [breasts] around some, and stick it inside her and pee. Not even pull out and pee on her legs. he would just go for it.

Women pretend to like sports and other stuff so that they can get more attention from men when men watch sports. It does not change anything. Think of all the disgusting and mentally ill women on here. Even the repulsive trannies are having sex. Guys will have sex with anything. I doubt that they ask donkeys or inanimate objects if they like sports before sticking their peens in them.
 
I mean I don't mind chicks that are into astrology if they aren't crazy about it. It's kinda fun chatting about those personality readings and seeing the patterns fit, even if it's all bullshit. It's like reading a fortune cookie, fun in the moment but it ain't gospel.

However, I have indeed noticed the pattern that a lot of broken crazy bitches are into astrology. Most I've met aren't that crazy into it, but usually they have something crazier going on (depression, anxiety, radical feminism).

It kinda just hit me that maybe to these chicks, this is religion to them. Like it fills the same need in our souls to believe in some higher power, cause most millienials are atheists and have to fill that void somehow. For most people it'd be Jesus or whatever else, to these chicks it's this.
 
The people who wrote this are same people who will make fun of people who go to church and believe in god.


They're both fake and stupid for the record.

I myself dont devote much time or attention to being bothered by either. If you're into those things, cool, no skin off my back. Not something I think about often. I dont think less of anyone for believing in something even if it is fake and stupid.
 
All journos must be Virgos because all Virgos are mad.

A tale as old as toxic masculinity
So it is less than 20 years old?

women: omg mars is in retrograde
men: an ideal time to launch interplanetary missions
Men only have colonialism in their minds! Toxic masculiniteeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!

"Straight men, the internet has a question for you: Why do you hate astrology so much?"

Answer: It is unreliable, it creates the idea that you have no agenda or freedom as an individual.
My answer: because immature women love to use their horoscope to justify bad behaviors (e.g. I can't help maxing out my credit card because I'm an Aquarius! I need to stay ahead of the crowd!) and we have enough of it.
 
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My female best friend likes astrology. She has rejected dates that she doesn't want under the "he is a [insert incompatible sign] so we'll never be together", but I don't think she really believes in that stuff, she's just "lol she's such a cancer" sometimes.

I didn't know it was such a big deal. I remember my friends and I used to read the horoscope in the free newspaper they gave outside the subway, and laugh at the vague shit it said on the way to school.

It was very insistent on Scorpio and stomach aches and we used to lose our shit about it every time it said it.
 
because the very thread that holds a patriarchal society together is the fundamental — if now largely unspoken — belief that womanhood itself is inherently bad. Thus, anything of or related to women must, by extension, be foolish, frivolous, stupid or simply evil.

Someone genuinely believes this. Holy fuck.
 
You know, this article is kinda topical or synchronious. Just the other day while discussing the replication crisis in sociology (80-90% of sociological research cannot be replicated and therefore 80-90% of sociology is pseudoscience), I off-hand said to a friend, "I bet astrology has a higher replication rate than sociology." Then, first article I see on Kiwifarms is about astrology. Funny world.
 
You know, this article is kinda topical or synchronious. Just the other day while discussing the replication crisis in sociology (80-90% of sociological research cannot be replicated and therefore 80-90% of sociology is pseudoscience), I off-hand said to a friend, "I bet astrology has a higher replication rate than sociology." Then, first article I see on Kiwifarms is about astrology. Funny world.

Cognitive bias.

You witnessed or interacted with thousands of things in the past few days that you did not see an article about on KiwiFarms. That's some astrology-tier justification.
 
Cognitive bias.

You witnessed or interacted with thousands of things in the past few days that you did not see an article about on KiwiFarms. That's some astrology-tier justification.
Justification? For what? Are people not allowed to remark on coincidences that amuse them? Do you have autism?
Wait hold up, are gay guys into astrology? How is this a cis thing
Not that I've noticed.
 
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Justification? For what? Are people not allowed to remark on coincidences that amuse them? Do you have autism?

Not that I've noticed.

You said the issue was "topical or synchronous" and then mentioned that the world is "funny" at the end. No, it's not funny or topical, it's a completely random article and you had a completely random conversation and made a link the same way that people do when their horoscopes line up with their perception of reality. You've probably had a hundred conversations over the same span of time that you didn't see an article on. Wouldn't that make the world less "funny"?
 
You said the issue was "topical or synchronous" and then mentioned that the world is "funny" at the end. No, it's not funny or topical, it's a completely random article and you had a completely random conversation and made a link the same way that people do when their horoscopes line up with their perception of reality. You've probably had a hundred conversations over the same span of time that you didn't see an article on. Wouldn't that make the world less "funny"?
So you have autism, got it.
 
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