Culture The Hottest Thing a Man Can Do Is Not Be a Dick About Astrology - Hating astrology is a typical straight-guy schtick, but it may be hurting your dating life


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Straight men, the internet has a question for you: Why do you hate astrology so much?

Hannah Ewers was among the first to pose the query in a 2018 Vice article, followed by Leah Thomas writing for Cosmopolitan the next year. The answers they found, based on interviews with real, red-blooded, astrology-hating straight men, are more or less what you might expect, because they’re probably ones you yourself have given: It’s “not real,” it’s girl stuff, or, as one particularly charming 20-something told Ewers, “If you try to bring up that shit with me, I’ll think you’re a mindless bimbo.”

In other words, men feel entitled to belittle and denigrate astrology for the same reason they feel entitled to belittle and denigrate anything else society has coded as “feminine” or otherwise related to women: because the very thread that holds a patriarchal society together is the fundamental — if now largely unspoken — belief that womanhood itself is inherently bad. Thus, anything of or related to women must, by extension, be foolish, frivolous, stupid or simply evil.

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This attitude has inevitably colored modern man’s response to astrology, despite the fact that the gendering of astrology as categorically “feminine” is a relatively recent development in the practice’s two millennia or so of existence. As former straight male astrology skeptic turned straight male astrologer Samuel F. Reynolds noted in a response to Ewer’s piece, women did not enter the field of astrology in any formal way until the 20th century. Even today, he tells InsideHook, leadership in the field remains largely, if surprisingly, male.

“The people who lead in astrology, who write the books, who are the headliners at conferences, they’re still men,” says Reynolds, explaining that the modern gendering of astrology that relegates the practice strictly to the domain of women is, quite simply, “BS.”

That said, I am not particularly interested in investigating why straight men hate astrology — as you may have noticed, I think I have a pretty good idea already — nor am I interested in trying to change your mind. What I am interested in doing, however, is explaining why it might be in your best interest to, at the very least, stop being a dick about it.

Hating astrology is a turnoff

As society increasingly begins to reckon with the forces of toxic masculinity and the adverse effects it has on people of all genders — including straight, cis men — those who openly deride astrology are beginning to find themselves among a class of “alpha-male” types often characterized by less-than-progressive views and a commitment to dated, arguably unsavory notions of hypermasculinity.

As recent reports on the rise of “wokefishing” — in which online daters boast more progressive views than they actually hold — suggests, even those who proudly position themselves toward the right of the political spectrum know that their views might not be helping their dating lives. And while dissing astrology may be a less egregious offense — more akin to expressing antipathy for veganism than, say, raging against a specific minority community — it can still come off as a red flag.

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“It just feels very closed-minded to me when a guy is immediately very dismissive of astrology, even when he plays it off as a ‘joke,’” says Emma, a 25-year-old who considers herself a moderate astrology fan.

For what it’s worth, however, Reynolds is willing to cut astrology haters a little slack if they’ve been burned by astrological malpractice at the hands of amateur enthusiasts.

“I think it’s also important for women to own some things themselves, right? There’s been some abuse of astrology, especially in this popular moment,” he says, citing the possibility that some men may be turned off by the idea because they’ve been spurned by a would-be lover who rejected them on the basis of astrological incompatibility.

In my own experience, however, this particular trauma does not seem to be the case among the vast majority of men who have allied with the war on astrology.

“He doesn’t have to give me his whole birth chart or anything. I’m not grilling him to see if we’re really ‘compatible,’” says Emma. “But when he won’t even entertain it in good fun it just comes off as stubborn and retrograde.” Pun intended, presumably.

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Meanwhile, if astro-intolerance is a red flag, then an affinity or even just a polite acknowledgement of astrology from a man seems to signal the opposite for many prospective partners.

“I think if a guy can acknowledge or appreciate it, it says more about who he is as a person,” says Lena, a 22-year-old who, despite only having a casual interest in astrology herself, sees a man’s response to the subject as potentially reflective of his views on other, more pressing social issues.

“It’s kind of similar to guys who can acknowledge that women still experience sexism,” she continues. “I don’t need a guy to get worked up about it, but when he knows it happens to us, it’s comforting, because at least then I know he is aware of other people besides himself. I feel like acknowledging astrology is similar.”

A tale as old as toxic masculinity

While the leap from astrology to sexism may seem questionable, Reynolds actually sees modern male antipathy for astrology as deeply rooted in patriarchal structures, suggesting a more insidious mindset may underlie casual astro-shaming as well as much darker manifestations of toxic masculinity today.

This link between astrology hating and misogyny is apparent in more overt ways, specifically the mere act of men belittling a woman’s interest in something in the first place. As Reynolds wrote in his response to Ewers’s Vice article, “If he belittles you because you’re into astrology, fuck him. (And I don’t mean literally.) You don’t need to look up his Mercury sign to know he’s a jerk.”

But according to Reynolds, there’s more to it than the obvious red flag of a guy being rude to a woman.

“There’s something that I think is deep in the male psyche that we need to talk about,” he tells InsideHook. “Men associate who they are, as men in relationships, with how they shape and define the other person’s personhood. Their sense of identity is that fragile, and that has really powerful implications — not just in terms of how he’s dealing with you in a particular conversation on the first date about astrology, but in more bizarre and horrendous ways, like why are there more men who do murder-suicides?”

Obviously, not all men who hate astrology are killers, but Reynolds’ argument seeks to highlight the insidious through line that unites seemingly casual displays of sexism and machismo to their horrific extremes — and it doesn’t just begin with the modern masculinity crisis as we know it today.

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Cope harder, tarotcels. :story:
 
The author probably rolled out of bed, read their favorite shitty blog, and read their horoscope which read "You will write something completely inane and retarded, shaming others for not being as easily manipulated as yourself."
You joke but if you were paying attention you realized the horoscope came true so she's totally justified in believing in it.
 
Honestly, the real reason is because science that does not go off of what a girl feels in her vag is hard and cold.

She much rather have the easy and fun practice of astrology.
 
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Was dating this chick, abd everything was going well. Fairly bright and we shared enough interests. Wasnt until the 3rd date that she started up with the astrology bullshit, started formulating my exit strategy right then and there. She made it clear, too, that it wasn't just a "lol pices" interest in it either. Sure enough she randomly got mad at me over horoscope bullshit not long after and I ended it.
 
The author probably rolled out of bed, read their favorite shitty blog, and read their horoscope which read "You will write something completely inane and retarded, shaming others for not being as easily manipulated as yourself."

Sadly, the horoscope did not advise them to hang themselves or stick their head in a oven.

Edit: I actually believe that if we shot and killed people that believed in astrology, the world would be a better place.

Adopting such beliefs is a sign of a malformed thought process and retarded mind. These individuals are extremely suspectable to B.S. and being useful idiots. It is pointless trying to convince them they are wrong on X topic.

Even if you do, their mindset allows them to adopt another fallacious idea soon after.

The only solution to ensure these people do not plague society with their B.S. is extermination.

Not saying I would personally do it or condone such an action. Just that the would would be a better place without them.
 
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Sadly, the horoscope did not advise them to hang themselves or stick their head in a oven.

Edit: I actually believe that if we shot and killed people that believed in astrology, the world would be a better place.

Adopting such beliefs is a sign of a malformed thought process and retarded mind. These individuals are extremely suspectable to B.S. and being useful idiots. It is pointless trying to convince them they are wrong on X topic.

Even if you do, their mindset allows them to adopt another fallacious idea soon after.

The only solution to ensure these people do not plague society with their B.S. is extermination.

Not saying I would personally do it or condone such an action. Just that the would would be a better place without them.

ok astrology is bullshit but you're getting into autistic rage about nothing territory, why be mad about glorified ghost memes
 
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ok astrology is bullshit but you're getting into DOES ANYONE ELSE HATE NIGGERS I SURE HATE NIGGERS territory, why be mad about glorified ghost memes

I am annoyed as you could probably poll those that believe in Astrology and find a 1 to 1 correlation for support for Marxism and BLM bullshit.

The belief system rots the mind or perhaps their brain was already deficient. Either way, they will only be a burden on wider society.
 
I kinda like astrology due to it's historical significance and mythical elements. It's also kinda fun seeing how similar or dissimilar you are to your sign. Although I don't take it seriously as an actual life guide and wouldn't take it into account when picking a partner. Which unfortunately, a lot of people do it seems.
 
If I were a feminist, I wouldn't be drawing attention to the fact that only women give a shit about astrology. I would instead push the agenda that "astrology is feminine" is an untrue alt -right fabrication.

Why?

Because I don't understand why a feminist would willingly accept that women are widely involved with something so retarded. "Men used to do astrology, but now it's all girls, wtf???" Maybe it's because we took it seriously exactly long enough to realize it was garbage and come up with something better? And why can't we expect women, who are our equals, to do the same?

t. gave up some coochie because I couldn't fake respect for astrology
 
I can't say that there aren't a few men who hate or dislike astrology because it's a "girly" thing. What I can say with absolute certainty is that Astrology is bullshit regardless. Furthermore, women who won't date men because said men think Astrology is bullshit are ultimately helping those men dodge quite a proverbial bullet.
 
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Honestly I don't really care if someone is, as long as they aren't actually making life decisions or acting on it, I consider it kinda dumb fun, like magic tricks. Kinda like fortune cookies, you know it's bullshit but you still wanna open one and see what you get and try to be like OH that's totally me!

It's all based on generalizations of course but it's just kinda silly to see what people say about it. It's kind of like people who are really into Meyers Briggs personality tests.

I went to restaurant one time and we had to go through the function room to get to our table. There was a Psychic/Tarot/New Age seminar going on. It was 99% 30-50 yr old women. They paid to go to this thing, I couldn't believe it.
 
I knew a girl who broke up with some guy because she read an astrology book and it said her sign was incompatible with her boyfriend's sign. Avoiding people who are into astrology is just prudent planning for avoiding people who make rash decisions on a whim. Said same people will probably also criticize religious people for getting their life guidance from a book without any self-awareness.
 
When did feminine mean retarded? Because that's what I'm taking away.
Exactly what it means. It's like those "White" cultural values. Intelligence is a "masculine" value, feminine == not masculine == retarded.

Astronomy > astrology
Astronomy > stochastic graph theory > biology and medicine > physics > topology > all other math > ... > history > CS > ... > literally eating shit > ... > astrology > fat studies.
 
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