U.S. Riots of May 2020 over George Floyd and others - ITT: a bunch of faggots butthurt about worthless internet stickers

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Overly Serious said:
So everyone has been very excited for some time about the NG getting involved, talking as if it will solve the issue. But will it. Just how competent and effective are the National Guard? Are they like the TA (Territorial Army) in the UK - part time soldiers who actually go on some active service in time of war. Or are they an exclusively domestic body? Do they have a lot of ex- US "real" (not trying to be pejorative here) military members? And how effective will they be allowed to be? I mean are they just going to be walking around like less well-armed police officers or will they have full arms with live ammo?

Basically, are they the "and then order was suddenly restored" scenario that people have been making them out to be?
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NG is basically part of the army, NG units deployed overseas to Iraq and Afghanistan all the time when the US had large numbers of troops in each during the Bush and Obama administrations
 
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KingCoelacanth said:
A very similar thing happened to a few guys from 4chan that went to a BLM protest in Chicago years ago.
A group of 4 guy went to the protest, trolled around and then were chased away from the scene for 3 blocks. Eventually one of them turned around and fired into the crowd of persurors. However due to texts they made on their phone and on 4chan, prosecutors argued that they went there looking for a fight, so even though they fired after fleeing, their claim for self defense was invalid.
The same thing will happen here, he will be accused of going to the riot with ill-intentions, thus invalidating his right to self defense.
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mr.moon1488 said:
If I'm interpreting it correctly it seems like, under Wisconsin law, it would be difficult to even get the case in front of a judge as in such cases where there is a real or reasonably assumed risk of death or great bodily harm then it negates the duty to flee (which he attempted to do anyway).

Wisconsin Legislature: 939.48

docs.legis.wisconsin.gov docs.legis.wisconsin.gov
This might be why they're trying to manipulate things and have him charged in Illinois. I'll have to look at their legal code regarding self-defense.
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And Wisconsin allows “agents” of business owners to defend property as well as owners themselves. If he knew one of the owners, that is a possible out.

His bigger problem is likely to be possessing a rifle underage and transporting it across state lines, unfortunately.
 
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I can't imagine said:
Assuming I'm reading the Wisconsin page on it correctly, the answer is "it depends on the crime". Dunno if burglary counts for that or not. More importantly, assuming he actually had a firearm...well, that's another crime to add to the list.
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Maybe felons can be EMTs but they can't possess firearms.

"In Wisconsin, it is crime for any person convicted of a felony to possess of firearm. Felon in possession under Wisconsin criminal law section 941.29 is a Class G felony, punishable by up to 10 years prison and up to a $10,000 fine."

A one armed white boy probably wouldn't like prison much but he's already used to sucking black dick I suppose.
 
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mr.moon1488 said:
If I'm interpreting it correctly it seems like, under Wisconsin law, it would be difficult to even get the case in front of a judge as in such cases where there is a real or reasonably assumed risk of death or great bodily harm then it negates the duty to flee (which he attempted to do anyway).

Wisconsin Legislature: 939.48

docs.legis.wisconsin.gov docs.legis.wisconsin.gov
This might be why they're trying to manipulate things and have him charged in Illinois. I'll have to look at their legal code regarding self-defense.
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There's no duty to retreat in Wisconsin, there is in Illinois, but he's being charged in Wisconsin because Illinois doesn't have JX on this matter.
 
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Women should die said:
holy shit just realized, that guy kyle shot at, he was fake surrendering and was about to literally fucking execute kyle.
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Yeah really in each of the three he had a reasonable assumption that his life was in danger.

Crome dome: Literally tried to set him on fire

Skater fag: Pursued him and grabbed his weapon

One-armed bandit: Was reaching for a gun

Even just looking at each case individually, it seems pretty clear cut it was self-defense.
 
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DumbDude42 said:
well, that is exactly the position that local authorities seem to be taking, so it will probably be shared by the courts.
maybe i'm overly pessimistic, but i don't see him getting off lightly on this.
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I can and not just for the obvious video footage either, but because he's a minor with a mostly clean record (his only crime was a speeding ticket) and that the murder charges are likely either a formality or an attempt to try and keep the riotous mob from getting worse than it already has.

Unless the kid pleads guilty, any decent attorney can get him off lightly. Even if he does end up doing some time, I don't think the murder charges will stick and it'll probably be over some kind of weapons-related technicality.

Unless they put him in front of some activist judge from a very liberal part of Wisconsin, I don't think he's going to do life in prison for murder. A local judge and jury can see the video and even a Lionel Hutz-tier public defender can use the video combined with his clean record and status as a legal minor to get the worst charges completely dismissed. I know they'll charge him as an adult but any lawyer who sees the video and the kid's background can get this kid to beat the worst charges.

Even if he doesn't walk, I don't see him getting a life sentence or any hard time in a maximum security prison.

With James Fields, there's the issue of the fact he was a self-identified White nationalist and that the video evidence from Charlottesville doesn't really prove that he was trying to get away from the rioters and accidentally hit the crowd.

Also, James Fields was an adult and Charlottesville was one of those freak things while the BLM and Antifa riots have been going on for almost three months now. Sorry to burst your black pill bubble, but I don't see anyone successfully making an example out of this kid like they did with Fields or even George Zimmerman.
 
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draggs said:
Unless he asks for a bench trial or plea bargains the opinion of the court means little. The opinion of the DA matters, and then the opinion of the jury matters.

He's guilty because he shouldn't have been there it was horrible judgment sounds like a good argument but there are holes in it a good defense lawyer could drive an 18 wheeler through unless the prosecution can make a convincing case with evidence that he went there intending to get into a fracas. The 4chan idiots left evidence all over the place that they actually were looking for trouble. Maybe theyll find the same here, but if they dont that case is much harder make convincing. Juries are unpredictable though for sure.
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Well the prosecutions witnesses and “victims” are a bunch of grown men with felony convictions that won’t stfu about their case. The jury pool is selected by county and Kenosha county went to trump in 2016, so he’s going to have people willing to give him a fair trial. His age also helps, I think if you have women on the jury they’ll be sympathetic to a 17 year old who was being attacked by older men with previous felony convictions. The one armed bandit even told someone he was going to kill the kid.
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Ivan Shatov said:
Marshall Law will be declared,
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That sounds like a cartoon character policeman from a kid's show. (It's Martial Law.)

But I like you so I will only mock you a little. :)

draggs said:
NG is basically part of the army, NG units deployed overseas to Iraq and Afghanistan all the time when the US had large numbers of troops in each during the Bush and Obama administrations
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Thanks. So the NG may be more of a force to reckon with than I thought. And if most of them have served in Iraq and Afghanistan there'll be some experience in urban combat. I wonder how they'll be armed and what their orders will be in terms of return fire. The Left seems to be pushing for full conflict now - I think they know that a second term of Trump will mean he really clears house and does them serious damage for years afterwards. So NG deployments might mean they really go for the escalation. Will we see the snipers soon, as with Ukraine?
 
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The Lizard Queen said:
They'll either dismiss it, or he'll get off.

He may have been defending the cars at this auto shop, which other video shows the protesters were smashing with baseball bats.

The first video shows him running from a protester throwing a flaming object at him, likely a molotov cocktail. He only turns and fires the first time when the protester catches up. Even though he was the one with the gun, this shows he had no intention to use violent force until it was absolutely needed.
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The second video shows him running until he is knocked over and attacked by multiple protesters. One assaults him with a skateboard...
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The other pretends to hold their hands up in surrender, then pulls a pistol. He is shot in the arm, but continues to hold the pistol.

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Even more telling, he does not shoot another protester that attempted to attack him, but put their hands up and stopped in their tracks. This shows he was lucid enough to only shoot at those who were going to do him harm. View attachment 1549302
Skateboard man is down, pistol guy is staggering away with a bloody arm. Hands up guy does not get shot.

This kid is amazing. Very few people would be that cool under pressure, and only shoot the people who posed direct threats to him. He's practically a goddamn hero.
All shootings were in response to violent action taken against him, and he in no way provoked or tried to attack first.

Wisconsin law allows deadly force in self-defense in the limited circumstances where the person defending themselves “reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm” to their person. Importantly, some states impose a duty to retreat from a conflict, but Wisconsin is not among them. However, Wisconsin does allow juries to consider whether a defendant could have retreated in determining whether the use of deadly force was “necessary.” As the shooter attempted to retreat, but was unable to do so, it seems highly likely he'll get off, and the police only arrested him as a formality, or to protect him from revenge by the protesters.
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Even with a duty to retreat the kid still clears the hurdle because he is very clearly trying to get away from the situation. Kid just needs to shut up, and call Saul. Him being 17 can help as the police cannot interview him without his parents. Let's hope mommy and daddy are smart and give him the same advice rather then tell the kid "too just tell the truth to the police".
 
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Adolf Honkler said:
posting the information again in this thread, this is the (((protester))) who got shot in the arm:
https://www.findmugshots.com/arrests/gaige_p_grosskreutz_id_6236626.html (https://archive.vn/kccfA)
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mr.moon1488 said:
This might be why they're trying to manipulate things and have him charged in Illinois. I'll have to look at their legal code regarding self-defense.
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Any idea why he could be charged for a felony outside the state where it occurred?

I realize he lives in IL, but the shooting took place in WI. There needs to be an explanation of the legal theory.
 
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