Western Animation - Discuss American, Canadian, and European cartoons here (or just bitch about wokeshit, I guess)
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One Man Bland
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Pretty much this. A lot of the first two seasons got their ideas by locking Justin Roiland in the recording studio and having him improv shit for an hour or two and then working from there, and while they started pulling away from that in season 2 it was pretty much dropped by season 3 where Harmon and a couple regular yes men started getting more sway - which also had the effect that it lead to a lot of in-fighting within the writer’s room thats been referenced inside and outside the show, procrastination, delays, and frankly Rolland probably just getting burnt out based on how he shifted his focus to Solar Opposites and video game design and just sounded so burnt out in the behind the scenes blurbs following season 2.
Hell, you can practically pinpoint the exact moment Harmon started getting more control by how Roiland’s signature improvised belches and stutters got phased out of Rick’s dialogue until he’d go whole episodes without doing one.
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I never caught the legendary private blog in full but just looking at Zuke’s end is a good enough cautionary tale.
Not everyone is suited for the industry, even if they can make some nice art or comics.
Damn, didn’t know it was that bad. Though it really does explain that drop that happened in season 3. Even season 4 was a mixed bag.
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Oh no. Oh no...
And here I was thinking that the Animaniacs reboot was just a one-off thing.
And here I was thinking that the Animaniacs reboot was just a one-off thing.
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Hopefully this means Freakazoid isn't too far behind.
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If people are just gonna ignore your garbage and watch old shit, then they have to make the old shit into the new shit.
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fuck that shit
they're taking all the wrong lessons from this; you're supposed learn how the old shit worked and use what you learned to make the new shit less garbage
instead they're taking the old shit wholesale and just turning it to shit... again (I thought this was just exclusive to live-action movies and that it was supposed to be dying out, why is it spreading to cartoons?)
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"Hey this shit didn't work in live-action, I wonder why...hm...I GOT IT! We must just be using the wrong medium!" - Some executive, probably.
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I didn't expect that.
I guess they could get most of the cast back. Plucky and Hamton's actors are both dead, however, so they'll have to be replaced. (I assume by whoever's doing Daffy and Porky in the new shorts.)
But the real question is, will they outsource to Glen Kennedy again?
Not mentioned - WB has also greenlit a new Tartakovsky show and Mo Willems is making his return to animation.
I guess they could get most of the cast back. Plucky and Hamton's actors are both dead, however, so they'll have to be replaced. (I assume by whoever's doing Daffy and Porky in the new shorts.)
But the real question is, will they outsource to Glen Kennedy again?
Paul Rugg tried to pitch something. It's not happening, but Freakazoid's gonna show up in a WBA show soon...
Not mentioned - WB has also greenlit a new Tartakovsky show and Mo Willems is making his return to animation.
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For the suits, their motivation is having new episodes with lesser writers and animators you can pay less and give shittier contracts to is more profitable than just having the old episodes up on their own. With modern techniques and technology even cheaper and faster than it was to make the old cartoons even if you pay for actual frame by frame animation. And then compared to an existing show you have built in audience awareness for it. "New" is risky.
For the agenda-driven woke types, older classics are dangerous since they depict a world before their ideology was everywhere and as pre-existing works can't be controlled as easily as new ones. Censoring doesn't get rid of that general feel of an older work and outright removal means parents will find it somewhere else to show to their kids. It doesn't help that they're genuinely made better and people have nostalgia for them that's passed down to their kids. The woke types view media as a battleground for the future rather than a series of methods for storytelling and works of art, and they can't let that be. The idea is that society will come to accept woke views as common sense if they're omnipresent in media (optimistic.gif). So you gotta have the new shit side by side with the old shit and pretend it's a natural progression and essentially the same thing, or just replace it altogether and hope people don't notice. This group is helpful to the first because they work for cheap and provide some degree of protection from criticism.
And the people who are genuinely passionate about making cartoons doing all the animating/writing simply don't/can't know any better (and no artist is gonna turn down food and rent money if they aren't on a trust fund). Or they also happen to also be in the second group. There's more of those than you think, you can love something and have dumb views on it. The problem is that they prioritize checking every box for their agenda before quality, and telling rather than showing so there's no ambiguity. This often leads to neglect of everything else even if they really wanted to make something good by the original or that stands on it's own. You can make something opinionated as hell, you can make outright fucking propaganda, but you gotta prioritize making it good before everything else. And even if it's of high quality the bullshit is still gonna turn a few people off.
Of course you can just level the playing field and turn everything into garbage. If people are starved for something new they'll turn to least terrible thing, which is just the other garbage with a higher budget.
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The problem is if both are available, and one is obviously superior, and contains these views, it shows what people who hate these views think: they are degenerate and lead to degeneracy, which is the lowering of the quality of something over time. Something actually "progressive" should improve it. The way to show that your views are superior is by actually producing superior products. If it actually degrades and degenerates in quality, that's the message that actually comes through.
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Cree Summer just broke the news that Elmyra will not be in the Tiny Toons reboot.
Evidently they're paring down the cast. I feel for her. I wonder who else is on the chopping block.
Evidently they're paring down the cast. I feel for her. I wonder who else is on the chopping block.
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That means we’d have Eric Bauza voicing Plucky and Bob Bergen voicing Porky. One VA I could see not returning is Charlie Adler but that’s based on how he’s kind of become a ghost in the VA industry.
I have a feeling that Elmyra not coming back is due to the shift in what’s considered “acceptable” in animation now and the setting of the show, judging by the promo pic swapped Buster’s sweater for a varsity jacket I have a feeling the reboot might be shifting into a high school/college setting (Yecch!) and having a character like her could be a serious issue that the studio doesn’t want to deal with.
As for what characters might get cut it‘s difficult to say at this point, using the Looney Tunes Cartoons voice cast list as a guidebook makes it difficult and I think going by current animation trends is just going to make peoples’ blood boil.
Life is Hell...
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I know he‘s more of a voice director these days, but he came back for Rocko. It’s possible he could come back for this. (If not, is John Kassir still working?)
I don’t know who else will get cut, but maybe Fifi LeFume’s gonna be left out and every furry will cry out in protest.
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Who remembers Making Fiends?
> show premieres without any promotion or advertisement
> it gets really good reviews
> suddenly cancelled without warning after 6 episodes
> Wikipedia says, "At one point, it was the highest-rated original program on Nicktoons. The show was abruptly cancelled after airing six episodes due to the poor ratings" which is a contradiction
When you Google this, you get some outlets saying it was received very well and got good ratings despite no promotion, then you get "it was cancelled because of bad ratings." How do you get cancelled from Nicktoons? Isn't it basically a dumping ground for anything not Spongebob or TLH? You are an original program for Nicktoons but you get cancelled and they stop airing reruns? Nothing ads up.
> show premieres without any promotion or advertisement
> it gets really good reviews
> suddenly cancelled without warning after 6 episodes
> Wikipedia says, "At one point, it was the highest-rated original program on Nicktoons. The show was abruptly cancelled after airing six episodes due to the poor ratings" which is a contradiction
When you Google this, you get some outlets saying it was received very well and got good ratings despite no promotion, then you get "it was cancelled because of bad ratings." How do you get cancelled from Nicktoons? Isn't it basically a dumping ground for anything not Spongebob or TLH? You are an original program for Nicktoons but you get cancelled and they stop airing reruns? Nothing ads up.
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I remember that series on NickToons, back then NickToons was a lot more diverse and had way better programming than Nick. It was how I first watched Invader Zim at 5am. I also remember Kappa Mickey and Wayside School being originals to that channel, I believe?
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The creator's not happy either. I don't think she can even exploit her old web shorts anymore, which is a shame because I liked those and I liked the show.
At least she's gone on to other things, but still...