Inactive Nick Bate / Nickalaus B. Stoutzenberger (Thread 2: THE RECKONING)

[drtoboggan]

So was his sick fuckery a factor in the beating?

 

[PeteyCoffee]

Wow, I can't believe I read this entire thread. All 88 pages. Nick is an odd breed on lolcow, considering there's a lot less emphasis of "lol" here. This thread and Nick's case is very emotionally draining. Although he's undeniably a piece of shit who clearly has no remorse for the people that he's hurt, I think it's kinda obvious that he was clearly fucked since the day he was born. He had severe mental illnesses that take a lot of effort to maintain and control and having a solid, supportive family is usually (in most cases, at least) serves as a good foundation. Nick had none of that. If his parents couldn't even be bothered to teach him to brush his teeth on a regular basis, then it's really a no brainer that they wouldn't even consider helping and supporting him with his illnesses.

All and all, I just find this situation to be really sad. At the end of the day, the only person who I think has a shot of breaking this cycle is Amber herself. And a lot of it depends how things go after the trial. For starters, she needs to get the fuck away from her mom, so she won't become Nick 2.0. I have no idea what kind of person her dad is like. Whether he's actually a good guy or a deranged redneck like the rest of Nick's clan who only a tad smarter than the rest, I simply just don't know. Either way, reporting the abuse was a step in the right direction and that clearly he is the more capable parent. Maybe things won't be great but living with her dad would be a lot better than living with mom (are her parents even divorced yet?).

I don't mean to sound edgy here but I think the only way that Nick would've had a fair shot in life if he had none at all. That is, his mom should've probably aborted him. Just everything about the Stoutzenberger family seems horrific and the worst part is that there is certainly no shortage of them. People who have no business having kids and yet they have them anyway. I'm not trying to blame Nick's actions on his family considering at the end of the day, he's an adult who makes his own decisions but I think it's pretty clear who helped him become the person that he became. Anyway, I hope I'm not being too soft on my analysis of him.

Also I dated someone who apparently had Schizod personality disorder and while he wasn't as deranged as Sick Nick (then again, who is), it was hell and I still have scars from that one particular relationship and it's part of the reason it has made dating for me hard. While I'm not trying to paint everyone with Schizod as a irredeemable asshole, from my personal experience, dealing with someone with that disorder can be frustrating at the very least and a lost cause at the most. Oddly enough, learning out that Nick has the same disorder as my ex has given me an odd if small sense of closure.

I'm curious how you ended up dating a schizoid and what the relationship was like.

 

[Flowers For Sonichu]

He definitely believes that other people's hatred for him is without justification, but I don't think that means that he thinks that he'll be able to escape the consequences of their hatred. There's a very strong persistent thread throughout Nick's discussions of the way he relates to the world that he expects hostility from basically everybody. Remember the whole thing about how he's frightened a dentist would cut his throat?

It's been said that Nick's view actually ends up being realistic, because the behaviour he expects and believes is unjustified is actually the way that people would treat him if they realised he was a pedophile rapist. But even that isn't true - for all people like to posture in the armpits of the internet about how they would love to personally enact some kind of Cannibal Corpse-esque punishment on convicted pedophiles, very few of them would actually do it. And yet that is what Nick Bate expects just from walking around outdoors among strangers.

I can't claim to know what he is expecting from being part of the justice system. But the idea that he expects to be let free goes against basically everything we know about the way his brain 'works'*

*To the extent it can be said to 'work'.

I said it in the original thread, but I think Nick's fear of people doing horrible things to him being raped in the shower, throat slit by dentist, murdered by strangers, etc. is because he would do it to other people if he had the chance and thus thinks everyone else would do the same thing to him because he thinks his behavior and twisted fantasies are normal.

 

[AnOminous]

I said it in the original thread, but I think Nick's fear of people doing horrible things to him being raped in the shower, throat slit by dentist, murdered by strangers, etc. is because he would do it to other people if he had the chance and thus thinks everyone else would do it because he thinks his behavior and twisted fantasies are normal.

Nick was wrong and being paranoid when he thought random people on the street would commit acts of violence against him for no reason, but he's likely to end up locked up in a place where, in fact, people not only will want to commit acts of violence against him for an actual reason, but are people who have shown proclivities for actually committing acts of violence.

Gives me a warm feeling to think of him, even in isolation, feeling like he's surrounded by people who would love to stomp him into jelly. . .and actually being right about that for a change.

 

[SolidusChris]

Wow, I can't believe I read this entire thread. All 88 pages.

Did you read through the old thread? that's pretty interesting as well because that was when he was still free and people's responses were pretty crazy, plus immediate reactions to the proof video are pretty funny.

I'm also in the "family fucked him up" camp in terms of how Nick became the monster he is now, its fairly obvious the Stoutzenbergers are trailer trash fucks who have no idea how to raise a child, especially one with mental issues like Nick, and probably neglected him, as well as the possibility of abuse too. He doesn't even know how to brush his teach. His fetishes and pedophila developed and fostered during puberty and he was sheltered by his family just playing RPGs all day, largely cutting him off from society. Nick didn't get enough attention as a kid and that fed his need to be as horrible as he was, because its the only attention he could get, the cwc board and kiwi farms were probably the only people to ever pay any real attention to him, and even negative attention to Nick would be better than none at all. Nick lives in his own little world of They Might Be Giants, Pokemon and his fetishes and knew that posting crazy stuff gets him attention, people still fall for his edgelord trolling like his music and drawings of Hitler.
His mental issues combined with a fucked upbringing doesn't excuse what he did but imo it does explain it to a certain degree.

 

[TheMightyMonarch]

I'm curious how you ended up dating a schizoid and what the relationship was like.

It's a long story and I'll just give you the abridged version, since I don't want this thread to go off topic. Basically when I was 19, I was a huge, broken mess. I felt really alone and often felt suicidal. I fought a lot with family and friends. That summer, I got a message from a guy on OK Cupid and we exchanged a few messages before we started to meet up. I don't know why but at the time, he seemed like someone who understood what I was going though. Maybe he was trying to manipulating me or maybe I was so depressed that I would pretty much latch onto any positive attention. Either way, at that point, I never had a boyfriend and I only had sex once so I had no idea what I was getting myself into. Even on the day I met him, something seemed very off about him. Like when we were dicussing about books, he went on this 10 minute, rather condescending rant on A Song of Ice and Fire but when I told him that I was reading On the Road by Jack Keroac and he was like "lmao what's that" and then changed the subject on some inane bullshit like Magic Cards and anime. But in the first couple of weeks, I just kinda chose to ignore all the warming signs. He in general would talk length about him and interest but would rarely would take interest in me. But that wasn't even the worse part. He was VERY sexually abusive in our relationship. Like he made me do stuff that I didn't want to and despite me telling him no. At one point, he had really rough sex without my consent and was just generally callous about it afterwards. I was in pain for the next couple of days. After doing some research, I found out that high sex drives in schzoids were unusual but not totally uncommon. I guess for the latter it's some attempt to feed some type of emptiness. After a month of dating, he started getting really distant and a month later, we broke things off but would still have sex occasionally till things sort of fizzled.

I didn't really realized that our relationship was fucked up until I started dating someone else. Whenever we would try to "consummate" our relationship, I started getting really tensed and uncomfortable to the point where my new partner would comment that it felt like he was molesting me. I put two and two together and realized me being uncomfortable was due to the sexual abuse from my last relationship. He eventually broke things off with me and although I was sad, I understood and just tried moving on with my life. But guess who starts to message me on OK Cupid about a month later? My ex. In his message, he acted like nothing had happened between us and thought I was lying about having a boyfriend and that he "didn't like to be lied too." I told him off and he attempted to give some sort of apology (which I'm still skeptical on how sincere it was) and said that since we last met, he got diagnosed with Schzoid personality disorder. Now maybe he was just bullshitting or it was an improper diagnosis but after looking up the symptoms, a lot of things just started to click together. He also told me about his fiancee that died when he was 19 (something that he never brought up with me) but I always dismissed that as him being full of shit.

So yeah. That was it. Getting back on topic, I kinda want to read the original Nick Bate thread but people here said they couldn't get though it because it was too disturbing. I also keep making the mistake of reading Nick Bate while I'm eating .

 

[maddipuppy]

It's a long story and I'll just give you the abridged version, since I don't want this thread to go off topic. Basically when I was 19, I was a huge, broken mess. I felt really alone and often felt suicidal. I fought a lot with family and friends. That summer, I got a message from a guy on OK Cupid and we exchanged a few messages before we started to meet up. I don't know why but at the time, he seemed like someone who understood what I was going though. Maybe he was trying to manipulating me or maybe I was so depressed that I would pretty much latch onto any positive attention. Either way, at that point, I never had a boyfriend and I only had sex once so I had no idea what I was getting myself into. Even on the day I met him, something seemed very off about him. Like when we were dicussing about books, he went on this 10 minute, rather condescending rant on A Song of Ice and Fire but when I told him that I was reading On the Road by Jack Keroac and he was like "lmao what's that" and then changed the subject on some inane bullshit like Magic Cards and anime. But in the first couple of weeks, I just kinda chose to ignore all the warming signs. He in general would talk length about him and interest but would rarely would take interest in me. But that wasn't even the worse part. He was VERY sexually abusive in our relationship. Like he made me do stuff that I didn't want to and despite me telling him no. At one point, he had really rough sex without my consent and was just generally callous about it afterwards. I was in pain for the next couple of days. After doing some research, I found out that high sex drives in schzoids were unusual but not totally uncommon. I guess for the latter it's some attempt to feed some type of emptiness. After a month of dating, he started getting really distant and a month later, we broke things off but would still have sex occasionally till things sort of fizzled.

I didn't really realized that our relationship was fucked up until I started dating someone else. Whenever we would try to "consummate" our relationship, I started getting really tensed and uncomfortable to the point where my new partner would comment that it felt like he was molesting me. I put two and two together and realized me being uncomfortable was due to the sexual abuse from my last relationship. He eventually broke things off with me and although I was sad, I understood and just tried moving on with my life. But guess who starts to message me on OK Cupid about a month later? My ex. In his message, he acted like nothing had happened between us and thought I was lying about having a boyfriend and that he "didn't like to be lied too." I told him off and he attempted to give some sort of apology (which I'm still skeptical on how sincere it was) and said that since we last met, he got diagnosed with Schzoid personality disorder. Now maybe he was just bullshitting or it was an improper diagnosis but after looking up the symptoms, a lot of things just started to click together. He also told me about his fiancee that died when he was 19 (something that he never brought up with me) but I always dismissed that as him being full of shit.

So yeah. That was it. Getting back on topic, I kinda want to read the original Nick Bate thread but people here said they couldn't get though it because it was too disturbing. I also keep making the mistake of reading Nick Bate while I'm eating .

i've dated some shitty people a lot like that too, and i totally feel what you went through, i'm really sorry and i'm willing to listen if you ever need to talk about anything with someone :0

I don't have the conversation because MSN done fucked up, but yeah he was talking about it with a mutual friend and I one time. It was during high school. He said it was a group of people he knew from the internet and it happened before we met him. At the time he was much more stable (comparatively) so I don't imagine he was, er, pulling it out of his ass.

i remember he told me in elementary school a bunch of kids beat him up idk why though. also somewhere on his twitter he said some people spray painted his house with like "go away you pedo fuck" or something like that.

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

Either way we can rest assure that no amount of judicial lenience will save Nick.

 

[SolidusChris]

he said some people spray painted his house with like "go away you pedo fuck"

Why didn't these people dox his home address as well?

 

[CWCissey]

Why didn't these people dox his home address as well?

Because they don't want to be held accountable should some heroic dumb shit decide to lob a Molotov through Sick Nick's window.

 

[Flowers For Sonichu]

Why didn't these people dox his home address as well?

He doxed his mom's house because he's a retard. Weens used to call her up and tell her that Nick molested Amber all the time.

 

[Bassomatic]

Either way we can rest assure that no amount of judicial lenience will save Nick.

No some judges already got rid of the gallows

 

[Yawning Bulbasaur]

I wonder if the reason Nick idolizes Hitler (or at least pretends to) is because of his whole "I hate the U.S." schtick? He can't be a True and Honest Nazi if he's both criticizing his B-family for being "conservative bigots" and has a brown father on top of having a mental illness.

 

[sugoi-chan]

I wonder if the reason Nick idolizes Hitler (or at least pretends to) is because of his whole "I hate the U.S." schtick? He can't be a True and Honest Nazi if he's both criticizing his B-family for being "conservative bigots" and has a brown father on top of having a mental illness.

The Hitler thing was probably just him being a little edgelord.

 

[Yawning Bulbasaur]

The Hitler thing was probably just him being a little edgelord.

Well of course, I was just saying that he probably started making Hitler posts because he thought of something along the lines of "Hitler was an enemy of the U.S., I hate the U.S., therefore Hitler is awesome as butts"

 

[CWCissey]

Well of course, I was just saying that he probably started making Hitler posts because he thought of something along the lines of "Hitler was an enemy of the U.S., I hate the U.S., therefore Hitler is awesome as butts"

Nah if that was the case he'd go for someone a little more current. Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong Il or Joseph Stalin are likely candidates.

 

[drtoboggan]

Nah if that was the case he'd go for someone a little more current. Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong Il or Joseph Stalin are likely candidates.

I don't know, he probably has no idea who they are.

 

[Yawning Bulbasaur]

Nah if that was the case he'd go for someone a little more current. Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong Il or Joseph Stalin are likely candidates.

Stalin was dead long before Nick was even alive, plus there isn't as much of an obvious stigma towards mentioning the latter two as there is towards Hitler.

 

[Flowers For Sonichu]

Sadaam gassed the Kurds but Nick probably thinks Kurds are what Little Miss Moffit ate with her whey.

 

[Dudeofteenage]

I wonder if the reason Nick idolizes Hitler (or at least pretends to) is because of his whole "I hate the U.S." schtick? He can't be a True and Honest Nazi if he's both criticizing his B-family for being "conservative bigots" and has a brown father on top of having a mental illness.

Nick's "I hate the U.S." thing is itself an example of his edgelording, though.