The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[KEKleon]

Murder is wrong whether I say so or not.

Except that can be argued against because people don't think in black and white. Lots of red states hate abortion but love death penalties. There's murdering in self defense. Lots of justifiable cases to be made.

You cannot just keep saying it's some moral that purely exists. You really don't understand morals. They do exist because of outcomes. Why else is incest universally disliked and considered morally wrong? Because you get retard babies from it. No one likes retard babies. Murder is considered bad for clear reasons that for some reason only you can't explain but a child, even retards, could give a real answer why it's bad and possibly good.

So why is murder wrong in your opinion? Otherwise keep playing stupid because it's really solidifying how much of a smoothbrain you are and can't think for yourself.

 

[Eris!]

Except that can be argued against because people don't think in black and white. Lots of red states hate abortion but love death penalties. There's murdering in self defense. Lots of justifiable cases to be made.

Lots of cases to be made. Zero justifiable cases to be made.

You cannot just keep saying it's some moral that purely exists.

I can and I will.

So why is murder wrong in your opinion?

"In my opinion?"

 

[KEKleon]

Lots of cases to be made. Zero justifiable cases to be made.


I can and I will.


"In my opinion?"

Yes, opinion. Morals are opinions, believe it or not. Why else do we have so many cultures with different morals and beliefs?

Oh wait you don't get that because everything is you and nothing else exists outside of you.

Thanks for proving me right.

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

Yes, opinion. Morals are opinions, believe it or not. Why else do we have so many cultures with different morals and beliefs?

Oh wait you don't get that because everything is you and nothing else exists outside of you.

Thanks for proving me right.

Then I sue for abortion for reasons. I think I have finally concluded that abortion is unthinkable at every stage. It is not an opinion or morality, it is an abortion murder. in fact, No matter how careful the creature, Whether you know it or not. If it becomes a human being, it is always murder.

 

[KEKleon]

Then I sue for abortion for reasons. I think I have finally concluded that abortion is unthinkable at every stage. It is not an opinion or morality, it is an abortion murder. in fact, No matter how careful the creature, Whether you know it or not. If it becomes a human being, it is always murder.

What makes only humans an exception

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

What makes only humans an exception

Because humans are human. Giving priority to your own species should be a group preference. Of course I would say they are free games to kill if I can not figure out the concept of an animal (most of them).

 

[KEKleon]

Alright I can see that to a degree, but all species protect their own small subculture/group and could care less about all the rest. And protection from some things isn't exactly guaranteed depending on what values the people hold.

Humans are pretty much just like all other animals except with more things to play with. To add, if an animal can't care for their young, chances are they'll just abandon them and let them starve to death. We have things in place to prevent that only because we created such things, but they're incredibly shoddy and unreliable and many still slip through the cracks and die from neglect, the ones that survive and had a bad childhood are more than likely to be broken and continue the cycle. Even ones with good childhoods sometimes still come out a bit fucked up because of neglect as a baby before being adopted which is a critical point in their development.

There's no good answer and no one really wants to get an abortion in the first place. But it's better than setting a new life up for failure from the beginning.

 

[Eris!]

Why else do we have so many cultures with different morals and beliefs?

The same reason there are cultures where they think the earth is a giant turtle. People can be incorrect. The existence of alternative viewpoints is not an argument for the validity of those viewpoints. The people who think the earth is a turtle don't just have a different opinion about earth. Earth is not a turtle "to them." They're just wrong.

What makes only humans an exception

Behold, the fundamental problem with thinking human beings are just animals.

 

[KEKleon]

The same reason there are cultures where they think the earth is a giant turtle. People can be incorrect. The existence of alternative viewpoints is not an argument for the validity of those viewpoints. The people who think the earth is a turtle don't just have a different opinion about earth. Earth is not a turtle "to them." They're just wrong.


Behold, the fundamental problem with thinking human beings are just animals.

And yet you've never proved yourself right. And you never will.

 

[Muh Vagina]

People that are killed in their sleep don't know what's happening either.
Elders with alzheimers that are killed might not know what is happening either.

There is no act that becomes moral due to lack of knowledge by the victim. Stealing and embezzling come to mind.

You would rather see a victim of a trauma suffer even more. Yeah, "moral."

 

[Eris!]

You would rather see a victim of a trauma suffer even more. Yeah, "moral."

Yes, of course, I would rather see someone suffer due to non-moral causes than do something immoral.
Why is this even a remotely controversial statement?
Suffering is bad. It is unpleasant and against our interests and we personally wish to avoid it or stop it. Immoral acts are wrong. They are literally a flaw in reality itself. They are something happening which should never happen. You don't seem to see a difference. Evil is not merely personal, but harm to reality itself. Such things were never meant to exist, and can only exist because of human free will, which allows us to deviate from how reality should be.

And yet you've never proved yourself right. And you never will.

And I'll never need to. Everyone either agrees or agrees but pretends not to.
You know murder is wrong, and you will never convince me you don't. Why would I waste time and effort proving to you what you already know? Why would I ever indulge a devils' advocate?

I'm not here to seek debate about baby murder. I'm here to prevent it.

 

[Lemmingwise]

You would rather see a victim of a trauma suffer even more. Yeah, "moral."

I wouldn't, and you would know that if you read my posts in this thread rather than act out this retarded attempt at reputation attacks.

Since you didn't address the knowledge bit and moved the goalpost I should assume you recant your position and that knowledge of the victim is an unimportant factor, yes?

 

[KEKleon]

You know murder is wrong, and you will never convince me you don't.

You do realize people have been killing each other for centuries and only recently has it been considered bad. It's considered bad for obvious reasons, but anyone but you could explain them.

Also idk if you're aware of self defense. Like that's the most basic form of self preservation (kinda the whole point of this entire argument) and is allowable within certain circumstances.

The fact you think everyone should think the same thing makes you retarded.

 

[Eris!]

You do realize people have been killing each other for centuries and only recently has it been considered bad. It's considered bad for obvious reasons, but anyone but you could explain them.

Do you understand the difference between something being considered wrong vs something being wrong?
When slavery wasn't considered wrong, it actually was. The people who claimed slavery was morally permissible were incorrect. Do you know what the word "incorrect" means? You don't seem to.

By the way, when it came time to end slavery, we didn't argue with them. We killed them, because evil like you is irredeemable.

The fact you think everyone should think the same thing makes you retarded.

Why? Do you feel the same way about heliocentrism vs geocentrism, or is it just morality that gets this weird special set of rules where true and false no longer apply?

 

[KEKleon]

Do you understand the difference between something being considered wrong vs something being wrong?
When slavery wasn't considered wrong, it actually was. The people who claimed slavery was morally permissible were incorrect. Do you know what the word "incorrect" means? You don't seem to.

Why?

Yes. I know the difference very well and they're pretty related but not always. Picking boogers is considered wrong but doesn't really hurt anyone lol. You don't seem to understand why ideas for both come from though.

Idk why you think you're gonna gotcha me with slavery. Abortion isn't even on the same level or scale. People know why slavery is bad because of what happened and its effects. People also know having kids is bad if you can't afford them. So why should they carry that kid to term if they never tried for one? Isn't that, dare I say, wrong?

 

[Eris!]

Idk why you think you're gonna gotcha me with slavery. Abortion isn't even on the same level or scale.

It's not a gotcha it's a way of illustrating that society's views on something can be wrong. It's a way of illustrating that morality is objective, not subjective, and that one can be correct or incorrect about it just like anything else. It literally doesn't matter how comparable to abortion it is, i'm not comparing it to abortion. How dumb are you that basic arguments like this go right over your head?
By the way abortion is orders of magnitude worse than slavery ever was. Mass industrialized commercial infanticide is pretty much at the very top. I literally can't think of anything worse than abortion.

So why should they carry that kid to term if they never tried for one? Isn't that, dare I say, wrong?

How the fuck do you people contort yourself into this absurdity where it is better to be murdered than it is to be just, i dunno, kinda poor? Not even real actual poor, just American poor. What the fuck is wrong with you? No, it is not evil to not murder your baby if it will grow up to be poor. It is evil to murder your baby. Please shut the fuck up and never try having opinions ever again. You are really bad at it.

How do you reach the point where you're unironically saying "Gas all the babies that might be poor because being poor sucks and being a corpse is better."

 

[KEKleon]

...Raising your kid is wrong?
What?

It's like you didn't read the sentence before.
Still if they never tried for one why is it their problem? They'll just get rid of it before it exists and no one even cares, or dump them on you and everyone else to end up paying for them.

Also lol elective abortion is leagues better than destroying someone's already established life, but do tell me how I'm wrong and should just bend over backwards for something that doesn't exist and fuck over those that do.

 

[Eris!]

They'll just get rid of it before it exists

If it's been conceived it already exists. That's literally what conceived means.
Also just, you know, it obviously has physical existence.

Also lol elective abortion is leagues better than destroying someone's already established life,

Abortion is destroying someone's already established life.

doesn't exist

How do you say such absurd things without killing yourself in shame? I would not be able to.

 

[KEKleon]

Abortion is destroying someone's already established life.

What life? Simply existing? Nothing even started, they have no hobbies, no goals, no ideas, nothing but existing for the sake of existing. That's not a life lol.

How do you say such absurd things without killing yourself in shame? I would not be able to.

Lol oh noooo my feeeeelings. Gosh, it's like you're running strictly on an emotional angle but with the most autistic sense of emotional appeal with complete disregard for anyone else. Good luck trying that in any public setting/court.

 

[Lemmingwise]

they have no hobbies, no goals, no ideas, nothing but existing for the sake of existing. That's not a life lol

A person is their hobbies and ideas.

Wow I never knew how killing lazy and uncreative people was alright.