Raya and the last dragon - A half decent trailer for most likely a mediocre film that will still get a billion dollars

ZMOT said:
>wise yet quirky
of course

GET A NEW STEREOTYPE YOU FUCKS
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Bruh they're back to giving asians buck teeth like pearl harbor is on fire.

They're so diverse now they're making characters look like Dr. Seuss Political Cartoons.

Also the fucking sword the character is using may be from Fire Emblem and a bunch of stuff seems to be cribbed from Monster Hunter. This is the ideal Chinese movie because everything seems stolen from somewhere and poorly copied.

Eddie Murphy did the eccentric dragon thing better. But you can't have a black man play an asian fantasy creature in 2021. Raya also seems to be trying to ape The Genie from Aladdin and when you have a character like that to be a muse of some sort, it relies on needing the actor to have some real wild personality. The voice actor and the character on screen basically need to be inseparable from each other. This is a poor imitation of that.
 
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RomanesEuntDomus said:
The Mulan remake didn't have the wisecracking dragon, maybe since it bombed, they went full damage control and try to make a quirky dragon movie now.
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The movie's been in production for a while, but it wouldn't surprise me if they pulled a Frozen and made some hasty character rewrites.
 
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There's some other movie studio making an animated wisecracking dragon movie right now. It's called 'Wish Dragon' or something. It's really weirding me out because the animation somehow manages to look more like Disney than what Disney is doing now.

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Regardless of whether or not this will even be a good film (prob won't), I commend them for actually having a pretty cute dragon design.

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This thing looks way more plush and cuddly than....this.

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What I hate most about current Disney is that the era of compelling character designs is over. Everyone suffers from sameface syndrome with Elsa eyes and toned-down colors. Part of the charm of the Disney renaissance is that the designs of the characters in all the different movies have unique, distinguishable designs to make the style of each movie feel fresh and new. Pocahontas doesn't look like Beauty and the Beast, which doesn't look like Tarzan, which doesn't look like Lion King, etc.
 
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Admiral Mantoid said:
Her smile is fucking Horrifying.
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Jesus Christ!
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Kari Kamiya said:
The movie's been in production for a while, but it wouldn't surprise me if they pulled a Frozen and made some hasty character rewrites.
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This happened with Moana, too. Originally Heihei had a much larger part, but he was cut almost completely after test audiences found him off-putting. This was super late into production, too, like "Heihei merch was already on the shelves of stores" late. I feel bad for Alan Tudyek because the joke became "Hee hee they got a big-name actor just to make chicken noises!" but the original plan was for a full speaking role as a Zazu-like mentor character.
 
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What I hate most about current Disney is that the era of compelling character designs is over. Everyone suffers from sameface syndrome with Elsa eyes and toned-down colors. Part of the charm of the Disney renaissance is that the designs of the characters in all the different movies have unique, distinguishable designs to make the style of each movie feel fresh and new. Pocahontas doesn't look like Beauty and the Beast, which doesn't look like Tarzan, which doesn't look like Lion King, etc.
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Same energy

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RomanesEuntDomus said:
The Mulan remake didn't have the wisecracking dragon, maybe since it bombed, they went full damage control and try to make a quirky dragon movie now.
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From what I understood, they removed Mushu because he was insulting to Chinese culture for depicting dragons as lowly and dumb creatures, as well as some "cultural appropriation" nonsense. So this Raya movie is quite boggling. This new movie looks like pure Chinese market bait and even looks like it was made in China, right down to stolen designs and weird faces, but the dragon in the film is incompetent and stupid which is a definite no-no for the Chinese standards alongside no ghosts. So why is it okay to have a dumb silly dragon for this movie but not for Mulan?

Then again she looks more like a qilin... Is it possible Disney will change the name of this species for the Chinese dub?

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That dragon is just someone's Brony OC...
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Admiral Mantoid said:
From what I understood, they removed Mushu because he was insulting to Chinese culture for depicting dragons as lowly and dumb creatures, as well as some "cultural appropriation" nonsense. So this Raya movie is quite boggling. This new movie looks like pure Chinese market bait and even looks like it was made in China, right down to stolen designs and weird faces, but the dragon in the film is incompetent and stupid which is a definite no-no for the Chinese standards alongside no ghosts. So why is it okay to have a dumb silly dragon for this movie but not for Mulan?

Then again she looks more like a qilin... Is it possible Disney will change the name of this species for the Chinese dub?
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My cynicism tells me, depending on how much chinese microdick Disney is trying to swallow, the storyline for that character will pander insanely towards the chinese victim mentality regarding the past 200 or so years, and the dragon will play a key role in that:

From what it looks like and the few tidbits we already know, in this movie there is a once-unified-now-fractured nation that used to be defended against outside threats by dragons and these dragons valiantly gave their lives to destroy the monsters invading the land. Maybe they lost their lives defending against the foreign monsters and that lead to the fracturing of the nation into different tribes, with some tribes being controlled by those foreign monsters.

I am a hundred percent certain, the monsters will be white folks or metaphors for white folks. The dragons either represent the chinese-confucian spirit, their self-esteem or national pride, something along those lines. The dragon, being in hiding, will be symbolism representing how the chinese had to keep their heads down, the dragon's return symbolizes how they get back to their old pride and strength, leading to them emerging as a superpower and becoming the most powerful nation on earth once more.

What people need to understand about china and the chinese self-perception is that they are stuck between megalomania regarding their status as the center of the universe (already within their name Zhongguo -> central state) hundreds of years ago and an inferiority complex towards Western nations from being subjugated with laughably ineffective countermeasers against the Western empires. British colonialism and the opium wars in particular are refered to as the century of shame and the chinese are eager to prove that their nation is the most important one on earth, despite the short lapse of strength during that time. Their former status as a giant empire of high culture is a source of massive pride, their status as Britain's drug-addicted bitch is a source of massive shame.
In chinese perception, china isn't becoming a superpower, it is taking back it's position as the biggest, wealthiest nation on top of the world.

The nation in this movie itself is pretty interesting, too. Many different tribes that used to be united in one great nation that now quarrel amongst each other, while some outside threat looms... From a historical view, that's very fascinating. One of the reasons why china was unable to withstand outside invaders was due to its often fractured nature, which made it impossible to fight back against foreign influences. If I'm not mistaken, these tribes will be united by the return of the dragon, and given how china forces everyone to absorb into the identity of Han-chinese, you can see where that is going.

And here's the worst case scenario: there is a slim chance the dragon actually is an amalgamation not only of chinese national pride, identity and strength... it might be a metaphor for chinese communism, too. If that dragon unifies the different quarreling people of the nation, redistributes wealth fairly and guides them towards unity through equality (possibly by removing the former, warlike rulers of those tribes), you know what's up.

So, this dragon might start out as silly and quirky, hiding somewhere out of fear or shame... by the end of the movie, it will unify the different people of the nation, rally them against the "monsters" from foreign lands and lead the nation to its former, peaceful glory, with its strength and wisdom. The "silly" nature at the start will endear the dragon to the viewers and then it will have its glorious moment of strength at the end. In contrast, Mushu remained the silly sidekick.

Well, this is at least my "Disney is going to give the chinese microdick the tongue-lashing of a century" cynicism speaking, but given how much of a mess Mulan already has been with confused messages and pandering to china, this would not surprise me at all.
Just check out how much Mulan's father (being a wise, benevolent, nice head of her household) resembles Winnie Pooh:
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In case you people haven't watched it already, check out the Mulan remake Smacktalk episode. Voxis Production is a fucking blast, more people should watch his stuff.
 
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RomanesEuntDomus said:
My cynicism tells me, depending on how much chinese microdick Disney is trying to swallow, the storyline for that character will pander insanely towards the chinese victim mentality regarding the past 200 or so years, and the dragon will play a key role in that:

From what it looks like and the few tidbits we already know, in this movie there is a once-unified-now-fractured nation that used to be defended against outside threats by dragons and these dragons valiantly gave their lives to destroy the monsters invading the land. Maybe they lost their lives defending against the foreign monsters and that lead to the fracturing of the nation into different tribes, with some tribes being controlled by those foreign monsters.

I am a hundred percent certain, the monsters will be white folks or metaphors for white folks. The dragons either represent the chinese-confucian spirit, their self-esteem or national pride, something along those lines. The dragon, being in hiding, will be symbolism representing how the chinese had to keep their heads down, the dragon's return symbolizes how they get back to their old pride and strength, leading to them emerging as a superpower and becoming the most powerful nation on earth once more.

What people need to understand about china and the chinese self-perception is that they are stuck between megalomania regarding their status as the center of the universe (already within their name Zhongguo -> central state) hundreds of years ago and an inferiority complex towards Western nations from being subjugated with laughably ineffective countermeasers against the Western empires. British colonialism and the opium wars in particular are refered to as the century of shame and the chinese are eager to prove that their nation is the most important one on earth, despite the short lapse of strength during that time. Their former status as a giant empire of high culture is a source of massive pride, their status as Britain's drug-addicted bitch is a source of massive shame.
In chinese perception, china isn't becoming a superpower, it is taking back it's position as the biggest, wealthiest nation on top of the world.

The nation in this movie itself is pretty interesting, too. Many different tribes that used to be united in one great nation that now quarrel amongst each other, while some outside threat looms... From a historical view, that's very fascinating. One of the reasons why china was unable to withstand outside invaders was due to its often fractured nature, which made it impossible to fight back against foreign influences. If I'm not mistaken, these tribes will be united by the return of the dragon, and given how china forces everyone to absorb into the identity of Han-chinese, you can see where that is going.

And here's the worst case scenario: there is a slim chance the dragon actually is an amalgamation not only of chinese national pride, identity and strength... it might be a metaphor for chinese communism, too. If that dragon unifies the different quarreling people of the nation, redistributes wealth fairly and guides them towards unity through equality (possibly by removing the former, warlike rulers of those tribes), you know what's up.

So, this dragon might start out as silly and quirky, hiding somewhere out of fear or shame... by the end of the movie, it will unify the different people of the nation, rally them against the "monsters" from foreign lands and lead the nation to its former, peaceful glory, with its strength and wisdom. The "silly" nature at the start will endear the dragon to the viewers and then it will have its glorious moment of strength at the end. In contrast, Mushu remained the silly sidekick.

Well, this is at least my "Disney is going to give the chinese microdick the tongue-lashing of a century" cynicism speaking, but given how much of a mess Mulan already has been with confused messages and pandering to china, this would not surprise me at all.
Just check out how much Mulan's father (being a wise, benevolent, nice head of her household) resembles Winnie Pooh:
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In case you people haven't watched it already, check out the Mulan remake Smacktalk episode. Voxis Production is a fucking blast, more people should watch his stuff.
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Still going to fucking fail since they made most of the cast brown and Chinese hate black people who aren't Will Smith.
 
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left arm said:
This entire film's existence just feels like Disney making their own dragon film now that Dreamworks seems done with their dragon films.
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I almost feel like they might've planned for a Pete's Dragon 2 given how the remake ended, but they sure as hell have gone on to forget it exists.
 
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